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Has US economy bottomed out? Census suggests yes
pioneer press ^ | 9-20-12 | hope yen

Posted on 09/20/2012 8:20:21 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

WASHINGTON—The U.S. economy is showing signs of finally bottoming out: Americans are on the move again after record numbers had stayed put, more young adults are leaving their parents' homes to take a chance with college or the job market, once-sharp declines in births are leveling off and poverty is slowing. New 2011 census data being released Thursday offer glimmers of hope in an economic recovery that technically began in mid-2009. The annual survey, supplemented with unpublished government figures as of March 2012, covers a year in which unemployment fell modestly from 9.6 percent to 8.9 percent.

Not all is well. The jobless rate remains high at 8.1 percent. Home ownership dropped for a fifth straight year to 64.6 percent, the lowest in more than a decade, hurt by more stringent financing rules and a shift to renting. More Americans than ever are turning to food stamps, while residents in housing that is considered "crowded" held steady at 1 percent, tied for the highest since 2003.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: ap; change; hope; obamanomics
and inflation is in check,too!(if you don't count food and gas)
1 posted on 09/20/2012 8:20:29 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

Sure it has bottomed out..380,000 dropped out of workforce last month....or was it last week////


2 posted on 09/20/2012 8:23:24 AM PDT by rxtn41
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To: TurboZamboni

These people still live in denial.


3 posted on 09/20/2012 8:26:13 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: TurboZamboni

When mom and dad can no longer support their offspring in the style to which they think they should be accustomed, maybe the kids will move out. It isn’t exactly ‘The Waltons’ out there for a lot of families. Besides, can’t separate households draw more ‘benefits’? (As in ‘if you can be listed as a dependant on someone’s tax return, you don’t qualify?’) If I’m wrong about that, someone correct me, please.


4 posted on 09/20/2012 8:26:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: TurboZamboni

One of many stand-on-your-head Bizarro World news stories you’ll see over the next six weeks as we do every election season to try and save the liberals day.


5 posted on 09/20/2012 8:27:13 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: TurboZamboni
Everything is wonderful and when 0bama is reelected it will be Utopia.

Repeat as necessary.

6 posted on 09/20/2012 8:29:45 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: TurboZamboni
Taken as a whole, however, analysts say the latest census data provide wide-ranging evidence of a stabilizing U.S. economy.

After a lengthy drop, even the Titanic stabilized. This article contains no good news, but actually reads as if there were an abundance of it.

7 posted on 09/20/2012 8:30:31 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: John W

Rush warned against this. obama’s media will run positive economy stories despite reality.
The news is fantasy land to prop up the One.
When Romney wins, this will be declared a depression.


8 posted on 09/20/2012 8:31:03 AM PDT by Texas resident (No tagline)
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To: TurboZamboni

Reality on the ground shouts NO!!


9 posted on 09/20/2012 8:31:12 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Mr. Bird

We’re just riding low in the water compared to where we’re headed no matte who wins the election.


10 posted on 09/20/2012 8:32:29 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: TurboZamboni

I don’t think that I will trust any government reports until after the election.


11 posted on 09/20/2012 8:33:42 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: TurboZamboni

I thought we only took a Census in years ending in “0”? Where are they getting this data?


12 posted on 09/20/2012 8:37:45 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TurboZamboni

13 posted on 09/20/2012 8:37:57 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm not voting for Obama, so therefore I must be helping Romney!)
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To: TurboZamboni

The census? Dated information and a blunt instrument at that. Label that article as an in-kind campaign contribution for Emperor O.


14 posted on 09/20/2012 8:39:27 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Taranto: "The whole point of the metaphor is that if you can hear the whistle, you're the dog.")
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To: Texas resident
When Romney wins, this will be declared a depression.

And you'll know its a depression cause we'll have people jumping out of windows again. Course most of them will be Cable Network Pundits...


15 posted on 09/20/2012 8:39:56 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TurboZamboni
Yes, I'm sure that the data being produced by the census bureau is trustworthy and unbiased. /s
16 posted on 09/20/2012 8:40:26 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: Texas resident

if Romney wins, homeless people will become famous again.


17 posted on 09/20/2012 8:41:19 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

So with 3.5 years of Obama policy, we have hit bottom. Cool. Sounds like his programs are working so well for the American people. They work so well, they have taken us all the way to a bottom three full years after enacted.


18 posted on 09/20/2012 8:54:50 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Mr. Bird

Perfect analogy. I am appropriating this today!


19 posted on 09/20/2012 9:13:16 AM PDT by 2big2fail
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To: TurboZamboni

Wait until QE3 kicks in, then we’ll see some more inflation. Nevermind what the talking heads say - are YOU better today than four years ago? That is the question that needs to be repeated everywhere until election day.


20 posted on 09/20/2012 9:18:40 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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All you're seeing right now is the result of tens of thousands of small business owners/leaders waiting to see if they're going to have to deal with increased taxes, increased regulation, and ObamaCare in January.

They're simply holding on waiting to see which way to go...stay where they are or increase staff in expectation of an improving economy (a Romney victory) or hold or reduce staffing to reduce exposure to the burden (an Obama win).

Just using rough numbers, there are about 540,000 small businesses in the US with fewer than 100 employees. If you assume half of them have 50-100 employees that means there are about 270,000 businesses that have exposure to ObamaCare that their business models...in most cases...cannot bear. If you assume that the average of those businesses with between 50 and 100 employees has “75,” you'd end up with about 6.75 Million American wage-earners who are vulnerable to being cut so employers can get their companies below that ObamaCare 50-employee threshold.

I understand that these numbers are very rough, because I'm just figuring “averages” to come up with that number of businesses and employees. But I think it's more than reasonable to assume that this estimate has at least some numerical validity. Let's say my estimate is off by 25%. That means that there are still over 5,000,000 employees who are extremely vulnerable.

If you're a business owner with 75 employees, and your little company turns a profit that puts $400,000 a year in your pocket, consider this:

The $3,000 per employee ObamaCare penalty will cost your “bottom line” a whopping $225,000 in the coming year. That means that assuming you don't have to spend anything on lawyers and accountants to deal with the IRS audits that will hit you to see if you comply with the ObamaCare coverage requirements, your income will drop by over 50%, to just $175,000.

Doesn't sound all that bad? Remember, if you pay the current highest rate of income taxes January 1st also hammers you with a rate increase that will see you paying about 11% more in taxes than you did last year...nearly 40% for a rate. That will drop you (assuming zero deductions) to just over $100,000.

So, how do you protect yourself? You slash the worst 26 employees on your payroll and get yourself to a staff of 49, taking you out of “ObamaCare” vulnerability. Let's pretend that by slashing your 26 least-productive employees..or reducing your staff by about 1/3rd, you retain 2/3ds of your projection. That takes ObamaCare completely out of the equation. So...assuming your end of year income is proportionally impacted by that 1/3 cut in employees, you end up with $270,000 in income that you pay that higher tax rate on, and end up with an after-tax income of nearly $200,000.

Again, I understand these numbers are “rough.” However, I also know that if I cut the worst 1/3 of my staff I wouldn't lose 1/3rd of my productivity.

There are tens of thousands of small business owners sitting in wait right now pondering that exact decision. And if Obama is reelected or they see that ObamaCare won't be eliminated before the end of the year, a big number of them are going to begin issuing a massive wave of “pink slips” unlike anything any of us have seen in our lifetimes.

So...have we “bottomed out”? Hell no!

21 posted on 09/20/2012 9:23:35 AM PDT by RavenATB
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To: TurboZamboni

If you are in a position to do so, buy now. Either a Romney-Ryan win will start the economy on the way to recovery, or an Obama win will ensure a complete collapse, in which everyone will be devastated (except government employees, until we start tracking them down).


22 posted on 09/20/2012 9:49:11 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: TurboZamboni

Using census data to determine the health of our economy is ridiculous, yet creative.

Also, if the census results are relevant, how in the heck would the DATED data be good news for todays reality? Ridiculous.

I am so sick of the daily deception and complete break from reality..... lies, lies and more damn lies.


23 posted on 09/20/2012 10:01:39 AM PDT by Gator113 (I would have voted for NEWT, now it's Ryan and the other guy.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: TurboZamboni
Old News.

The Economy has "bottomed out" for over three years now.

24 posted on 09/20/2012 10:02:33 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: TexasRepublic

Rush discussing this story now


25 posted on 09/20/2012 10:02:51 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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