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America becoming land of the freeloader
NEW YORK POST ^ | September 19, 2012 | S.A. MILLER

Posted on 09/20/2012 7:27:56 PM PDT by george76

Edited on 09/20/2012 7:29:06 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Nearly half of Americans — 49 percent — lived in households that received government benefits as of last year, according to the Census Bureau.

That’s up from about 44 percent when President Obama took office and way up from about 30 percent back in the 1980s.


(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Illinois; US: New York
KEYWORDS: foodstamps; freeloader; medicaid; medicare; socialsecurity

1 posted on 09/20/2012 7:28:00 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

At 49% now, but what happens when it creeps to 55% percent or so? Will the 55% vote for anyone or anything that threatens the freebees .... I doubt it. What we will have is the 45% giving up, fleeing or more likely fighting.


2 posted on 09/20/2012 7:32:29 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (You can never blame a progressive for a failure .... it's always the fault of someone else.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

It won’t take long to find out.


3 posted on 09/20/2012 7:35:15 PM PDT by ILS21R (The time is nigh.)
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To: george76

Does anyone have the breakdown of the total? How many are on Social Security? Now many are government employees? How many are military? How many are on food stamps? How many are on Social Security disability? How many are on welfare?


4 posted on 09/20/2012 7:36:41 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: george76
This trend of redistribution will be almost impossible to reverse. And this election will be very close but hope that the majority of Americans do not want to live under communism. That is where we are headed.
5 posted on 09/20/2012 7:36:57 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: george76

This story vindicates Romney for the morons that needed to read the truth. Glad to see it.


6 posted on 09/20/2012 7:38:04 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: george76

And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free(loader) and the home of the brave.


7 posted on 09/20/2012 7:41:13 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: george76

What counts is the NET.

Is a household a NET tax consumer, or a NET tax payer?


8 posted on 09/20/2012 7:41:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: george76

How can anyone take this seriously when it includes the military, everyone over 65 who is a part of a mandatory pension plan called social security, military retirees,etc.

The strangest thing of all is that it says “”49 percent — lived in households that received government benefits”” “someone” in the house collects a government check, what kind of “fact” is that?

Do we measure left handedness, by the percentage of Americans who “live in a household” with someone who is left handed?


9 posted on 09/20/2012 7:41:46 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: TigerClaws

Yes and no.

We NEED to create jobs, or bring jobs home.

Now.

There is no more time, or jobs to spare. We must bring back jobs.

Or we lose permanently.


10 posted on 09/20/2012 7:45:03 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: george76

What Romney should now explain are the reasons why those on fixed incomes must go on food stamps and apply for other “benefits” such as energy assistance etc.

The price of ; goods, services ,food, as well as the cost, use, and type of of energy resources, particularly coal,and oil, have all been driven up by Obama through his endless edicts, use of regulations and prohibitions all designed to change the systems of distribution and use of pleantiful resources to conform to his socialist scheme or ideal. Without any regard to the consequences. After all let US remember “to make an omlet ..”one must break a few eggs” and the one who made that remark and the followers of that ism who repeat it.”


11 posted on 09/20/2012 7:48:00 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great p/p)
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To: george76

I for one would like to see just who is getting what! If Social Security and other programs that were supposed to operate as a form of insurance into which the recipients have paid in, that’s one thing. But I’d like to see the magnitude of those programs where the recipients haven’t paid in a dime.


12 posted on 09/20/2012 7:48:20 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: RetiredTexasVet
As the Great Obama Recession sweeps on more and more families find their savings wiped out, and their homes forclosed. Consequently they move in together, so you have more 3 generation homes ~ grandparents, parents and children ~ with the grandparents on Social Security!

Before the parents and children were NOT in a household with someone receiving federal benefits.

The parents and children DID NOT become freeloaders by moving Grandpa and Grandma in!

BTW, those used to be Conservative values ~ to take care of your own people first. Now we have a crowd, apparently being led by Romney and Hannity, who are condemning the practice.

So, what happened to America?

13 posted on 09/20/2012 7:49:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Travis McGee
"What counts is the NET.

Is a household a NET tax consumer, or a NET tax payer?
"

Well said! [Applause] The problem needs to be honestly defined first, and you did it!

The only general solution that I've been able to think of is to starve the beast.

* Avoid buying anything that we don't really need (generates revenues/debt too much).

* Become more self-sufficient each month (energy, food, etc.)

* Learn to manufacture a necessity or needed part as a hobby for now.

The socialist, political/regulator class cannot continue its grip on both parties in politics without money and time to do so. Government can't be big without big, valuable revenues from unrestrained, domestic manufacturing competition (funny money from import/debt regime being irrelevant).


14 posted on 09/20/2012 8:00:19 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: george76; muawiyah

Yet not a word about tens of millions of illegal aliens about how they’re choking off our healthcare, jails, social services, schools, welfare, hospitals etc.

A small example

Dallas Morning News: Parkland Hospital leads nation in illegal immigrant births

Sherry Jacobson reports that 74 percent of the total 14,872 births at Parkland Hospital were to women who are believed to be in the country illegally.

(In just one year, at one hospital)

http://www.dallassouthnews.org/2010/08/09/dallas-morning-news-parkland-hospital-leads-nation-in-illegal-immigrant-births/

Study: 70% of Texas’ illegal immigrant families receive welfare

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/04/study-70-of-texas-illegal-immigrant-families-receive-welfare/


15 posted on 09/20/2012 8:00:32 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

one more time, only way to be an immigrant is with an immigration visa. otherwise you are just a visitor.


16 posted on 09/20/2012 8:05:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Travis McGee

Oh Gawd!......is it gonna come down to math?

Don’t you have any feelings???....../s


17 posted on 09/20/2012 8:06:46 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: muawiyah
Study: 70% of Texas’ illegal immigrant families receive welfare

""one more time, only way to be an immigrant is with an immigration visa. otherwise you are just a visitor.""

18 posted on 09/20/2012 8:14:10 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: mosesdapoet

Wow!...well said!...Bigger pictures......wider windows....


19 posted on 09/20/2012 8:17:31 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: george76; Gilbo_3
Certainly this was Obama's plan all along,
But what clueless Romney misses : all 49% do NOT want to be freeloaders. They want something better.

Speaking of the 49% freeloaders, wasn't Ryan holding up his Mom being on SS and medicare as a positive example? To get those freeloaders votes ? Now Romney says they are lost.

Republicans are confused with these mixed messages. Romney-itis

20 posted on 09/20/2012 8:19:00 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: george76; Gilbo_3

Correction : “many want something better”


21 posted on 09/20/2012 8:20:27 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: muawiyah

And immigration ain’t cheap, eh.


22 posted on 09/20/2012 8:22:27 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: eeriegeno
Does anyone have the breakdown of the total? How many are on Social Security? Now many are government employees? How many are military? How many are on food stamps? How many are on Social Security disability? How many are on welfare?

They run the horror show here all the time.
23 posted on 09/20/2012 8:40:08 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: george76
Social Security should not be included in “government benefits” I receive my own benefit, the govn. just cuts the check. I paid in to Social Security and my husband paid in to Social Security. He died before he received any. When I reached the age I could collect, I had to choose between mine and his and could not have both.

That isn't fair, two paid in but only one gets paid out. I chose my husband's, so I lost the money I paid in. I don't want to hear anyone complaining to me about people collecting their social security money they paid in.

24 posted on 09/20/2012 8:58:33 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: sickoflibs; george76
ya know, cloward-piven can and should work both ways...

seriously, when the avg citizen that busts his a$$ for a paycheck, makes a decent living and yet still qualifies for a gimme, why should he not take it, when its going to be given to a welfare queen or illegal anyway ???

this citizen IS nickeled and dimed to death with taxes and fees and regs at every level of gubmint, in every product and service he uses and gets no relief thru the ballot box...just an every prohibitive state, and yet more taxes fees and permission slips to live his life...

we should take every penny we qualify to get, and call it a BLOAT fund...

it was foolish for mittens to speak as though the 47% are insignifigant, and arent 'his' people...when the reality is that even those who are paying the lions share of fed income tax are getting screwed by the same pols that wont cut gubmint with a friggin meataxe...

and these fools are lapping up the R&R gravy of blaming the people that are simply taking whats offered...

welfare queens are a problem...the welfare industrial complex is THE problem...

25 posted on 09/20/2012 9:00:12 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3; george76
RE :”seriously, when the avg citizen that busts his a$$ for a paycheck, makes a decent living and yet still qualifies for a gimme, why should he not take it, when its going to be given to a welfare queen or illegal anyway ???

I don;t see the point of getting into a general discussion NOW on the moral pros and cons of supporting a certain form of welfare just because it was promised for holding a job for some period of time. We can save that one for later,

To me the key point is that R+R are playing both sides and getting caught. Praising then insulting this group of ‘moochers’ to appease two groups at the same time. This is what happens when you believe in nothing. Alternatively Clinton could easily get away with it.

26 posted on 09/20/2012 9:14:04 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: george76

If you want to cut to the chase start at about 1:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bavou_SEj1E&feature=related

Unfreakin believable!


27 posted on 09/20/2012 9:24:59 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: PieterCasparzen

Yes, if you look at that “clock” carefully, you will notice some very interesting things:

*) Remember when they used to tell us that by the time we will draw Social Security there would be only two people working for every person getting a check => US Retirees and SSI is at about 68mil, about half of the US Workforce at 142mil.

*) The Small Business Assets clock is now running backwards!!!

*) Actual Unemployed is almost 2X the Official Unemployed

*) Citizens, with average per capita assets of about $300-thousand, have a $51-thousand National Debt share, and future Liabilities of over $500-thousand -— bringing to mind our Grandparents admonition of getting blood out of a turnip!!!


28 posted on 09/20/2012 9:26:36 PM PDT by LTC.Ret (You'd think I would know better than to volunteer!!! www.sendmetocongress.us)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

I expect, sooner than later, that we’re going to implement Jerry Pournelle’s “Welfare Island” concept.

It was background to some fiction, but basically America gets divided into two classes: Citizens and Taxpayers. You don’t pay taxes you live in “Welfare Islands”: huge buildings where you live, are fed, and kept entertained with TV, booze, and drugs. If you work hard at it, you CAN get out of them. . .but most don’t bother.

Twenty years ago, it was purely fictional. How long until something like it actually emerges ???


29 posted on 09/20/2012 11:24:13 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: Gilbo_3
Romney can't say he himself hasn't been accused of not paying his way ~ his initial response was to just shut up about it.

I suppose that's considered heroic as long as you don't then turn around and call other people out on the situation.

The Mittbots just gotta' be besides themselves with confusion and grief over this.

What I need to know is how many Mittbots are also trailer trash and tax evaders? Anyone have an ideas. Then, anyone have any idea how they can possibly vote against their economic interests?

30 posted on 09/21/2012 5:21:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: LTC.Ret

The clock does not contain a segment for UNITED STATES FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ASSETS


31 posted on 09/21/2012 5:23:05 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Marcella
Marcella, I agree with you that SocSec should not be included in Govt Bennies. It was designed as an insurance program to guarantee retirement benefits for citizens. The only problem with the insurance was that politicians were the overseers! I tried to opt out in the 70's and was told no I couldn't. It is a govt bene of sorts, but a benefit that was purchased by the citizen.

More troubling is that there are the same pecentage of citizens on food stamps as are on Soc Sec......

32 posted on 09/21/2012 7:26:12 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: muawiyah

The parents and children DID NOT become freeloaders by moving Grandpa and Grandma in!

BTW, those used to be Conservative values ~ to take care of your own people first. Now we have a crowd, apparently being led by Romney and Hannity, who are condemning the practice.

They didn’t become freeloaders by moving in .... just when it became permanent with a mental attitude of this is how I should be supported.

A conservative value is to lend a helping hand or a hand up which allow them to move out and up. Hand outs almost always lead to dependency and essentially financial and moral slavery.


33 posted on 09/21/2012 7:53:49 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (You can never blame a progressive for a failure .... it's always the fault of someone else.)
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To: eeriegeno
It seems to me the attitude toward seniors is seniors are a drain on the younger people and the seniors need to die off really quick, then the rest of the people would be in better shape. However, the massive number of seniors is just beginning to happen. As people become seniors their attitude changes about older people. If a person manages to stay alive long enough, guess what, the person becomes a senior.

I'm not on food stamps, my house is paid for, my late model car is paid for, I pay something like $250 a month for Medicare supplement insurance and seldom go to the doctor to “drain” Medicare money. I also have enough preps to last a year so I won't be using government resources to keep me alive. I basically want the govn. and others who resent seniors sucking up so called govn. benefits, to leave me the hell alone.

34 posted on 09/21/2012 7:59:21 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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