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Pro-American Libyans Besiege Group Suspected in U.S. Envoy’s Death
NY Times ^ | Sept 21 2012 | SULIMAN ALI ZWAY and KAREEM FAHIM

Posted on 09/21/2012 6:02:06 PM PDT by WilliamIII

BENGHAZI, Libya — Galvanized by anger over the killing of the popular American ambassador here last week, thousands of Libyans marched through this city on Friday, demanding the disarming of the militias that helped topple the dictatorship but have troubled the country with their refusal to disband.

In a show of mass frustration at the armed groups, protesters seized control of several militia headquarters on Friday night and handed them over to Libya’s national army. They also stormed the headquarters of Ansar al-Sharia, a hard-line Islamist militia that has been linked to the attack on the United States mission in Benghazi that killed the ambassador and three other Americans.

As members of the militia fled their headquarters, protesters there set at least one vehicle on fire, and there were unconfirmed reports that several were wounded by gunfire from the departing gunmen.

The killing of the ambassador, J. Christopher Stevens, who was considered a hero in Benghazi because he worked closely with the rebels who toppled Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi last year, appeared to be the spark for the protests on Friday, though hardly its only cause. The militias, which started forming soon after the February 2011 uprising against Colonel Qaddafi, emerged as a parallel and often menacing authority after his downfall, seizing territory for themselves and asserting their authority over the fledgling government.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ansaralsharia; benghazi; libya; waronterror
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1 posted on 09/21/2012 6:02:11 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

That’s a postitive step. And this is what will happen next: AQIL will identify the leaders of today’s march, and car bombs will go off outside of their homes and businesses.

Bolsheviks don’t screw around with mamby-pamby Mensheviks, to stretch an analogy.

I remember some hopeful “peace marches” in Lebenon over the decades. They always ended with car bombs, assassinations, and tears of frustration.


2 posted on 09/21/2012 6:08:53 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: WilliamIII

Its show time. FBI are over there to spin things


3 posted on 09/21/2012 6:09:58 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: WilliamIII

I hope you all look at the muslim brotherhood flag and comparte it to Obama’s design.


4 posted on 09/21/2012 6:13:34 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: WilliamIII

How embarrassing for the current administration.....


5 posted on 09/21/2012 6:14:00 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: dalebert

Anything to keep the money flowing.


6 posted on 09/21/2012 6:14:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: WilliamIII

NY Slimes to the rescue for Obama.


7 posted on 09/21/2012 6:17:10 PM PDT by crusader71
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To: WilliamIII

“The militias, which started forming soon after the February 2011 uprising against Colonel Qaddafi, emerged as a parallel and often menacing authority after his downfall, seizing territory for themselves and asserting their authority over the fledgling government.”

This is BS. The provincial militias have existed for years, including when Kaddhafi was in power. I would really like to see the NYT stop jerking out disinformation. The Libyan interim government was composed of militias, organized by the No. 1 militia leader, Osama al-Juwali.

al-Juwali organized the different militias and mustered them into the new Libyan army. This is no bloody secret.

I hate the NYT on so many different levels and am frustrated that these commies never show up within 100-miles of where I live.


8 posted on 09/21/2012 6:18:34 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Travis McGee
Certainly there are several AQ training camps in Libya and Egypt. A proper response would be to attack them preferably with special forces, or drones, and wipe them out - No surrogates - US forces only.
9 posted on 09/21/2012 6:20:58 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: WilliamIII

“Galvanized by’ Hilary and her hench-fems, who said the Americans would be mad, Obama would lose, and Romney would cut off their MONEY.


10 posted on 09/21/2012 6:24:06 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: sergeantdave
This is BS. The provincial militias have existed for years, including when Kaddhafi was in power.

True. Kaddhafi never had firm control over large areas of the country including much of the Benghazi area. That area of Libya sent more suicide bombers to Iraq than any other area of the muslim world.

As far as I'm concerned, people who are buying into the current act are going to get burned.
11 posted on 09/21/2012 6:24:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: WilliamIII

Meanwhile in Pakistan the Government declared today a holiday and that ginned up the demonstrations against the US.


12 posted on 09/21/2012 6:28:52 PM PDT by AU72
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To: Puckster

Or ? the re-election committee seeing his poll numbers going down are there to clean up the mess.


13 posted on 09/21/2012 6:34:32 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: elpadre

Reagan would have. Big time. Craterized them. And how.


14 posted on 09/21/2012 6:37:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Nay, this is a bigger mess, it exposes his lack of, or willful ignorance, of intelligence reports.

This reaction against the militia’s shouldn’t have been a surprise to the intelligence community.

This doesn’t shield Obama, it raises more questions.


15 posted on 09/21/2012 6:47:37 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: dalebert
....and clean up any loose evidence about how they toppled Qadaffi and looted the trillions for the EU

the protesters would be confused if they knew why the US toppled Qadaffi, it wasnt to help THEM , it was a robbery

and Ambassador Stevens knew too much about it

16 posted on 09/21/2012 7:04:06 PM PDT by KTM rider
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To: cripplecreek

“Kaddhafi never had firm control over large areas of the country including much of the Benghazi area.”

Spot on, cripplecreek. One of the roving bands of militia fighters caught Kaddhafi, took his gold-plated glock away and used it to blow his brains out.

Such is the life of a dictator. Kaddhafi should have taken note of how Mussolini was hung upside down on meathooks from the roof of an Esso gas station. Maybe if Kaddhafi was a tad more pleasant, he could have had a chicken coop named after him.


17 posted on 09/21/2012 7:04:07 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: sergeantdave

In the mideast they will kiss our butts today and shove a stick up them tomorrow and that includes these “peace protesters”.


18 posted on 09/21/2012 7:06:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: WilliamIII

>> Galvanized by anger over the killing of the popular American ambassador here last week, thousands of Libyans

The Internet will destroy Islam.


19 posted on 09/21/2012 7:15:30 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks WilliamIII.


20 posted on 09/21/2012 7:20:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Puckster

You’re right. Obama wanted everyone to believe that the attack was just a bunch of crazy lunatic Libyans furious about a youtube video. He doesn’t want to admit that it was a planned al-qaeda attack he was warned about but did nothing to stop. The Libyans won’t play along and be his patsies.


21 posted on 09/21/2012 7:34:30 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: WilliamIII
J. Christopher Stevens, who was considered a hero in Benghazi because he worked closely with the rebels who toppled Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi last year.

Obama didn't seem to be aware of that. Of course, their is no hero but the Omnipotent Obama.

22 posted on 09/21/2012 7:34:45 PM PDT by oyez ( .Apparently The American brain has been reduced to the consistency of quicksand.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I love it when a socialist’s well laid plan doesn’t come together.....now, maybe some justice for US ambassador Chris Stevens.


23 posted on 09/21/2012 7:39:53 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: KTM rider

From all have gleamed your thought is the most accurate, next to someone wants payment or a return of what was taken. Neither will happen. Wait till people inside of their countries in the EU get wind of what is coming after their hides due to lack of loot being returned. Even those who had nothing to do with it will pay a price because someone is angry enough to extract a price. Dang fog.


24 posted on 09/21/2012 7:44:21 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: AU72

There’s hope for Libya - not POKeeStahn!


25 posted on 09/21/2012 7:48:11 PM PDT by mikeIII
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To: mikeIII
Adversaries sometimes make good allies. pakis and iran?
26 posted on 09/21/2012 7:49:33 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: WilliamIII

I don’t believe the story, simple as that.


27 posted on 09/21/2012 8:07:23 PM PDT by risen_feenix
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To: Travis McGee
There's another thread that is reporting that after dark the militias opened fire with machine guns on the protesters and all is confusion with many dead and wounded among the protesters. Morning (in about 3 or 4 hours) will tell the tale.
28 posted on 09/21/2012 8:19:24 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again")
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To: cripplecreek

You have that right cripp and I’ll bet damn near every one, (if not all), of these savages rioting now were dancing in their streets with joy as innocent Americans were slaughtered on 9/11. ‘Moderate’ islam my butt, but still idiot sheeple right here in the good old USA buy that ‘moderate’ B/S idea.


29 posted on 09/21/2012 8:22:19 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired high up in the mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: KTM rider

exactly


30 posted on 09/21/2012 8:28:53 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Puckster
This doesn’t shield Obama, it raises more questions.

You know better than that. This will get him another Peace Prize. [sigh]

31 posted on 09/21/2012 8:32:15 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: elpadre

but we didnt attack...i find that strange..just sent fbi to investigat...coverup or clean up. I dont think we have much intel anymore..its probably been disassembled.


32 posted on 09/21/2012 8:35:37 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: WilliamIII
This isn't a story, it's a white house press release.

Galvanized by anger over the killing of the popular American ambassador

In a show of mass frustration at the armed groups...

...Stevens, who was considered a hero ...

The people have spoken.
Or should I say "the folks?"

33 posted on 09/21/2012 8:56:44 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: eddie willers

God is not mocked....patient though.


34 posted on 09/21/2012 9:04:42 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: WilliamIII

I need to see this reported from a reputable news source before I beleive a word of it. Liberals lie and lie and lie.


35 posted on 09/21/2012 9:16:30 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Travis McGee
That’s a postitive step.

Do you truly put faith in this NYT article Travis? After immediate Afghan apologizing by this admin, I am having much trouble swallowing this story.

Obama: "Because of me, protesters are saying that they are sorry."

36 posted on 09/21/2012 9:19:16 PM PDT by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: KTM rider
" ....and clean up any loose evidence about how they toppled Qadaffi and looted the trillions for the EU " .....

Operation Fast & Furious of Libya.
37 posted on 09/21/2012 9:37:09 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: cripplecreek
I know people should not put to much stock into believing the Ulsterman report's White House insider, but has anyone read the latest ? interesting read if true.


38 posted on 09/21/2012 9:48:33 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: cripplecreek

http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/09/20/white-house-insider-barack-obama-the-butcher-of-benghazi/


39 posted on 09/21/2012 9:48:51 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: cripplecreek
Ulsterman's White House insider said " In this town, some times the ones speaking the loudest are the ones not saying a word. " .... interesting.

He said that things were getting a little out of hand for this administration and Obama of what is happening in the middle east and so ? then, bingo, that tape on Romney came out... coincidence ? don't think so.
40 posted on 09/21/2012 9:53:26 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: cripplecreek

Most of the time when Ulsterman is asking the White House Insider if they have any kind of information they heard about the middle east, the WHI says, that it’s just their own opinion.


41 posted on 09/21/2012 9:56:05 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Travis McGee

So just like Iran, this bastion of Freedom and Liberty and Independence will stand by and let another opportunity to pry open the cell doors of islam be lost. Damn.

Oh well, America choose a Communist Moslum as President.

This Presidency will be known as the decade of lost opportunity.


42 posted on 09/21/2012 11:41:10 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: WilliamIII

Seems the NYT is spinning the headline by indicating the Libyans are ‘pro-American’.

I think it’s more like the regular folks there are fed up with the militant groups and are making an effort to drive them out. .....Think of it as an American town deciding that the local gangstas have caused too much trouble and they rise up and drive them out. ....jmo


43 posted on 09/22/2012 1:14:52 AM PDT by octex
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To: KTM rider

Trillions?


44 posted on 09/22/2012 2:46:46 AM PDT by PghBaldy (I am sick of Obama's and Hillary's apologies to muslims, especially after 11 September 2012.)
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To: octex; cripplecreek; All
May want to have a look everyone ... cripplecreek has advised of this, just who are the youths working for? ... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2934687/posts
45 posted on 09/22/2012 4:07:17 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: cripplecreek
people who are buying into the current act are going to get burned.

The more I read the more I agree with you. Looks like someone has found a way for a twofer or a three-fer.

46 posted on 09/22/2012 4:11:53 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: WilliamIII

I saw the headline: Pro-American Libyans

Thought to myself, this has to be satire. Then I saw that the article was ran in the NYTimes.

If I may be so bold, can I equate Pro-American Libyans to Pro-American Muslims? I spent time in both Afghanistan and Iraq. There are some that would love to come to America and live the life they see on the internet: Jersey Shore, American Idol, you know-all the important stuff. Do they want the American Dollar? Yep. Do they want to be able to go by vegetables and not worry about getting blown to bits? Yep.

But I have never encountered a ‘Pro American’, anywhere in that part of the world. And I spent the better part of 5 years there. Maybe there a bit different in Northern Africa.


47 posted on 09/22/2012 8:46:09 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: Gene Eric
The Internet will destroy Islam.

The Internet is a technology, not a doctrine; and as such it is mostly neutral. Why do you think there are Islamic web sites?

48 posted on 09/22/2012 10:28:31 AM PDT by mbj
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To: no-to-illegals
If that's the choice, I'd choose Iran - but we'll need to find a way to rid the ayatullahs and the current leaders; Iranians are non-arab and their culture and religion were something else before Islam took over. Pokeestahn on the other hand is duplicitous and rotten to the core - Leaders and pakis themselves. Their double dealings cost too many American lives.
49 posted on 09/22/2012 5:47:32 PM PDT by mikeIII
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To: mikeIII
Am thinking yours is the wise decision. The pakis can wait in line. Dang, wish the lines weren't along these lines typed, but it is what it is. Prayers for Israel's Military and ours.
50 posted on 09/23/2012 6:39:57 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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