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Report: More than 200 coal-fired generators slated for shutdown
The Daily Caller ^ | Sept. 21, 2012 | Michael Bastasch

Posted on 09/22/2012 9:29:37 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Within the next three to five years, more than 200 coal-fired electric generating units will be shut down across 25 states due to EPA regulations and factors including cheap natural gas, according to a new report by the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity (ACCCE).

“This is further evidence that EPA is waging a war on coal, and a war on affordable electricity prices and jobs. EPA continues to ignore the damage that its new regulations are causing to the U.S. economy and to states that depend on coal for jobs and affordable electricity,” said Mike Duncan, president and CEO of ACCCE, in a statement.

However, ACCCE notes that EPA policies may have played a role more than 4,800 megawatts of announced closures not included on in their report which would bring total shutdowns to 241 coal generator in 30 states — more than 36,000 MW of electric generation or 11 percent of the U.S. coal fleet.

The most affected states include Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Virginia, and North Carolina, which will see a combined 103 coal-fired generators shut down.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania; US: Virginia; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: coal; coalpowerplants; elections; energy; epa; epaoutofcontrol; government; jobs; northcarolina; ohio; pennsylvania; regulations; unemployment; virginia; westvirginia

1 posted on 09/22/2012 9:29:40 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Shut down Obama, the EPA, and Obamacare.


2 posted on 09/22/2012 9:30:45 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"under my plan, electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket"

Apparently, Pennsylvania and West Virginia are ok with that.

3 posted on 09/22/2012 9:34:34 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (At 3 am on 9-11 as our embassy in Libya was under attack, the chair was empty but the bed was full)
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4 posted on 09/22/2012 9:44:04 AM PDT by randita
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5 posted on 09/22/2012 9:44:42 AM PDT by randita
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To: Mygirlsmom

“...under my plan, 0bummer&RegimeFromHell would ALL necessarily go to prison or summary execution for treason...”


6 posted on 09/22/2012 9:47:19 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Libs, dems, unions, leftist scum & murderous muzzies - are like bacteria: attack, attack, attack!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It boggles my mind that Ohio could even be a battleground state. Why would anyone vote for someone who wants to shut down their livelyhood?


7 posted on 09/22/2012 9:53:47 AM PDT by Wisconsinlady ("When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Wisconsinlady
Then why do you let yourself be lied to that Ohio is a battleground state? They use fake sampling to make it look like Obama is winning and try to fool people. Don't be fooled.
8 posted on 09/22/2012 10:00:15 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Good thing we’re in an economic depression, otherwise we might miss the electricity. O plans ahead.


9 posted on 09/22/2012 10:01:41 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Good thing we’re in an economic depression, otherwise we might miss the electricity. O plans ahead.


10 posted on 09/22/2012 10:01:41 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: jmaroneps37

Take out Columbus and Cincinnati and Ohio is Detroit.


11 posted on 09/22/2012 10:31:21 AM PDT by gotribe (WTF?)
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To: jmaroneps37

Take out Columbus and Cincinnati and Ohio is Detroit.


12 posted on 09/22/2012 10:31:29 AM PDT by gotribe (WTF?)
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To: Wisconsinlady

So who can they vote for? Romney Stood in front of a coal factory and said These factories kill people he would not create jobs jobs for factories that kill people....He wanted them closed down in Ma.


13 posted on 09/22/2012 11:24:06 AM PDT by brightright
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To: Wisconsinlady

The miner’s union voted for hussein last time. They’ll do it again this time.


14 posted on 09/22/2012 11:51:22 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Free ThinkerNY

5 years if this dolt gets re elected, an EPA enema if he is thrown out.


15 posted on 09/22/2012 11:54:07 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
“This is further evidence that EPA is waging a war on coal, and a war on affordable electricity prices and jobs. EPA continues to ignore the damage that its new regulations are causing to the U.S. economy..."

The above should actually read:

"This is further evidence that socialist scheming democrat thug Obama is waging a war on coal, and a war on affordable electricity prices and jobs. Socialist scheming democrat thug Obama continues to ignore the damage that his new regulations are causing to the U.S. economy..."

16 posted on 09/22/2012 12:22:00 PM PDT by Mr Apple ( Priority #1: Get socialist democrat thug Obama out of our White House)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Zero sympathy as a consumer. I get a much better deal using natural gas.


17 posted on 09/22/2012 12:43:30 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

Some people don’t have a choice as there are not a lot of gas-fired plants in the Northeast. Electricity from coal is still cheaper to produce than with natural gas.


18 posted on 09/22/2012 12:50:08 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: crusty old prospector

“Some people don’t have a choice as there are not a lot of gas-fired plants in the Northeast.”

So move. Those folks need help wiping too? Adults make responsible choices - fools don’t.


19 posted on 09/22/2012 12:58:40 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

Just give the EPA time and they will drive the cost of Nat Gas up too and/or make it scarce.

It is what they do.


20 posted on 09/22/2012 1:10:45 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: bgill

Bgill, why would they do that? I just don’t understand the mindset.


21 posted on 09/22/2012 1:14:20 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady ("When injustice becomes law, then resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: KantianBurke

First they came for the coal users and I spoke in favor of screwing them because I used gas...


22 posted on 09/22/2012 1:35:44 PM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

Not true. First we waited around for George Allen and Jim Gilmore to open up off shore drilling in Virginia. Then we waited around for Jeb Bush to open up off shore drilling in Florida. Then from 02 - 06 we waited around for Dubya and the GOP Congress to open up drilling in ANWR or to jumpstart nuke power stations...


23 posted on 09/22/2012 1:40:34 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke
You are a complete idiot.

Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I'm capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it - whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations.

24 posted on 09/22/2012 2:00:56 PM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

“You are a complete idiot.”

Anyone believing that the GOP was/is serious about energy policy instead of using the issue as an electoral bloody shirt deserves that title.

Free tip btw - it helps to ID whose quotes you are using.


25 posted on 09/22/2012 2:06:13 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

Idiot. It’s Obama, 2008.


26 posted on 09/22/2012 2:38:08 PM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

One would find your repetitive use of childish name calling charming but for the fact that it’s probably due to an addition to huffing paint. Seek help or at the very least consult a thesaurus.


27 posted on 09/22/2012 3:02:50 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

I was charitably assuming you were merely ignorant that Obama was coming after your natural gas next. While it is merely childish to gloat over your natural gas, it’s reprehensible to gloat over other people suffering from Obama’s war on coal now.


28 posted on 09/22/2012 4:22:55 PM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: brightright
Romney Stood in front of a coal factory

Out right lie

29 posted on 09/22/2012 4:24:34 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: KantianBurke
One would find your repetitive use of childish name calling charming

Considering that is the basic posting tactic you have used in your posts around here for years one would suggest you seek a therapist to treat your sever case of emotional projection.

30 posted on 09/22/2012 4:29:38 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Romney in a press conference stood outside the PG&E Salem Harbor plant where he pointed and said “that factory kills people”. He also said the plant should be retooled with “gas fired” technologies’.


31 posted on 09/22/2012 5:14:44 PM PDT by brightright
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To: brightright
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFzYnkBfdj4

watch the video for yourself. If you want to make a case for Obama do so. Do not lie about Romney to do it.

32 posted on 09/22/2012 5:28:55 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

33 posted on 09/22/2012 5:32:45 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: MNJohnnie

That is so funny. You might want to watch the video of the press conference at the Salem Harbor plant in Ma. where he said exactly what I quoted. “That plant kills people.” “It should be retooled with GAS FIRED technologies.


34 posted on 09/22/2012 5:46:29 PM PDT by brightright
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To: brightright

Screaming your lie louder does not change your fictions to fact.


35 posted on 09/22/2012 5:48:25 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

LOL If you watched the video I referred to you could see and hear the truth. But then again when has the truth ever been an issue with the liberal Romneybots. After all a man who with his father marched with MLK must be truthful.


36 posted on 09/22/2012 6:13:24 PM PDT by brightright
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The most affected states include Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Virginia, and North Carolina, which will see a combined 103 coal-fired generators shut down.

Four of those five states voted Obama in 2008.

37 posted on 09/22/2012 6:44:55 PM PDT by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: KantianBurke
Zero sympathy as a consumer. I get a much better deal using natural gas.

As consumers, we get no choice in the source of the electricity that comes into our comes. If we did, I'd chose coal. It's much cheaper to produce each MW with coal than natural gas. But natural gas is 2nd. All the 'renewable' energy sources cost double or triple that per MW than NG. (I used the quotes because geothermal sources are depleted as they use them.)
38 posted on 09/22/2012 8:17:18 PM PDT by yorkiemom (Yorkie Moms 4 Ryan ; Ryan + Romney = Recovery)
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To: palmer
Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I'm capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it - whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations.

The plant my hubby works at, the largest NG power plant in CA - the idiotic cap and trade bill that CA is the first state to implement - will have to pay $48 million next year. Of course, that will be passed onto the consumer or the plant will close. They can't absorb that kind of cost. And that's the regulation that will go onto strangle the rest of the nation...A biomass plant near here that spews out all sorts of carbon dioxide is exempt though..
39 posted on 09/22/2012 8:21:47 PM PDT by yorkiemom (Yorkie Moms 4 Ryan ; Ryan + Romney = Recovery)
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To: palmer
While it is merely childish to gloat over your natural gas, it’s reprehensible to gloat over other people suffering from Obama’s war on coal now.

Very well put. People in those areas will see skyrocketing electric prices (necessarily, of course!). And perhaps blackouts if new sources of electricity can't be put on the grid fast enough.
40 posted on 09/22/2012 8:24:59 PM PDT by yorkiemom (Yorkie Moms 4 Ryan ; Ryan + Romney = Recovery)
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To: MNJohnnie

Fancy seeing you on this thread. What’s the matter? Your check from the RNC bounce? Why not just hit up your former God Dubya for money?


41 posted on 09/23/2012 1:39:27 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: palmer

“it’s reprehensible to gloat over other people suffering from Obama’s war on coal now.”

Not when the defenders of coal want to use government $$$ for their own benefit. Even removing EPA regulations, coal wouldn’t be able to survive natural gas’ low cost. Enter government subsidies. No thanks.


42 posted on 09/23/2012 1:41:43 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke
Even removing EPA regulations, coal wouldn’t be able to survive natural gas’ low cost.

At least you admit there is a war on coal and it is driving up costs for coal electric consumers (I am one to some extent).

Not when the defenders of coal want to use government $$$ for their own benefit.

Coal gets some government money, but that's mostly for synfuel production. You can read the breakdown here: http://www.window.state.tx.us/specialrpt/energy/subsidies/ Outside of those amounts they get less than 1/2 billion Obama wasted on Solyndra. It's rather disingenuous of you to suggest that coal is subsidized when it is clear that coal electric production is harmed far more than it is subsidized.

43 posted on 09/23/2012 4:38:26 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

“I am one to some extent”

Its telling that the major proponents of government money for coal production are those who stand to gain financially from such intervention. Forget of course that everyone else loses by big government. Screw them right? Free market bad!


44 posted on 09/23/2012 6:35:33 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke
It's amazing that you can ignore simple facts like the vast majority of government money for coal goes to synfuels, not to subsidize my electric bill., and then accuse me of financial gain. That might amount to a penny on my electric bill because coal producers are "given" tax writeoffs that are automatic in any other industry.

Regardless of my situation, you lost any credibility you might have had by declaring your own little war on coal in this thread. You probably have a stealth agenda to support the Obama / Gore war on coal but don't want to admit. I'm sorry I called you an idiot, when you are probably an agent instead.

45 posted on 09/23/2012 6:50:34 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer
Even if every environmental regulation was removed from coal production (good luck with THAT occurring) coal can't match natural gas' low cost. Coal is being priced out of the market. Period. Us consumers who have more money in our pockets welcome that. And its interesting that you rightly blast the Solyndra debacle but can turn right around and demand government assistance with a straight face for your industry of preference. Guess its not big government when you profit from it huh?
46 posted on 09/23/2012 8:46:42 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke
You keep implying I am profiting from coal subsidies. Perhaps you don't understand that the synfuels efforts having nothing to so with my electric power. Even if we consider the entire $700m in remaining coal subsidies as subsidizing electric power, and make generous assumptions the drawdown of coal there's still about $40b worth of coal electricity being generated. That's less than 2% subsidy. On my $400 annual bill we are paying $7 in subsidies.

Perhaps you can do the same for your annul gas bill. Use the Texas report I linked above and other sources and tell me your final $ and % federal subsidy on your own gas bill Unfortunately the Texas report lumps oil and gas as $3b and I don't know the breakout to heating and electricity and whatever else you are using natural gas for.

47 posted on 09/23/2012 1:40:32 PM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: palmer

I’m implying your support of coal is simply due to your wish to have your coal dependent home heating costs go down free market be damned. As I indicated earlier the only way that will happen is by government intervention be it increased regulations - say for fracking - or coal subsidies. I’m not willing to have my pocket picked so you have more cash in yours.


48 posted on 09/23/2012 3:56:05 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

to be anti coal is to be anti America....... it is simple as that


49 posted on 09/23/2012 4:01:23 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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