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Itís the End of the World as We Know it
ClashDaily.com ^ | September 20, 2012 | Skip Coryell

Posted on 09/22/2012 11:38:07 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

For those of you who’ve been living under a mainstream media rock the past ten years, then the following sentences are simply the chorus to a song by the famous rock band R.E.M.

It’s the end of the world as we know it. It’s the end of the world as we know it. It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

But to those of us with an apocalyptic bent, the chorus to that song takes the form of an acronym. TEOTWAWKI.

And we refer to the acronym on a daily basis, because we truly believe our society is about to crash and burn in the mother of all flame-outs. In fact, most of us are so faithful, we stockpile food, ammo, have alternate potable water sources, nonhybrid seeds, tools, building supplies, force multipliers, and even grow our own food. We must be lunatics in the order of Noah.

Quite frankly, if TEOTWAWKI happens, then I won’t feel fine. I’ll be fine, because I’m prepared. But I won’t feel fine. Well, hold it. Wait a minute. Maybe I will feel fine. Think about it this way; A world without an overbearing federal government. No taxes. No building permits. No ATF. Hunting season year round!

Okay, okay, so that’s the silver lining to the cloud. The cloud being total anarchy in a very, very dangerous world. This year I published the first novel in a four-book series titled The God Virus. It’s about an attack on the power grid bringing about a thousand-year-night and TEOTWAWKI. Next month I’ll be publishing the second novel called The Shadow Militia.

One thing I quickly realized while writing The God Virus was only the tough and the prepared would survive. My family and I have been preparing for over three years now and we enjoy it. It’s a self sufficient way of life hearkening back two hundred years which carries its own reward. Not only does it lower our grocery bill, but it also brings family members closer together. It teaches character, because everyone has to work and pull their own weight. We either grow the food we eat, or we kill it ourselves. Then everyone has to pull together to process the food. Today I canned potatoes. Yesterday I canned pumpkin. On Saturday my six-year-old son and I will shoot a deer. It’s a way of life that bonds us together in a broken and twisted society that seeks to tear the family apart.

So, maybe from that perspective, I will be fine. But the question remains … What will happen to you and the ones you love? That’s the focus of this article. I’m writing to those of you who have yet to start preparing for the end of the world as we know it. TEOTWAWKI is coming. If the present course of human events is not altered, societal collapse is inevitable.

Those of us religiously preparing for societal collapse have a name. We are called “preppers”. And perhaps the most famous of all preppers in human history was a man named Noah. You all know the story. God came to Noah and said, “Hey, Noah! The people in this world really suck! In fact, they suck so bad I’m gonna have to put ‘em down!” Noah listened with great interest, because he was righteous in God’s eyes and he did not suck. “So build a big boat. I know what yer thinkin’, Noah, you live in the desert. But that’s okay, cuz I’m gonna turn the whole place into freakin’ lakefront real quick. And trust me on this one, property values will not go up! I’ll fax ya down the blueprints and you get goin’!””

So what did Noah do? He was obedient to God. He built a boat. (Some might call it a BOB, spelled “Bug Out Boat”.) Per God’s orders, he horded all kinds of food and supplies. Let me paraphrase the list from the good book. He collected lots of animals. Seven pairs of every clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of the dirty ones, a male and its mate. Not to mention seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female. He ordered ammo by the case, bought night vision goggles with extra batteries, solar panels, flak jackets, antibiotics, extra canning jars, lids and rings. Oh, wait. I’m reading from the wrong book now. That last sentence came from the book titled How to Survive the End of the World as we Know It by James Wesley Rawles. It’s like the prepper’s Bible, and you should buy that before doing anything else.

So Noah did everything God told him to do, and he was saved from annihilation. He was the first prepper, and the example I follow today.

Have any of you noticed some similarities in the society just before the flood and the society we have today? I do, and that’s why I prepare. I don’t believe God will tarry with us a whole heck of a lot longer. Because as a society, we are really starting to suck.

If you’re interested in becoming more self sufficient, I recommend you join the American Prepper’s Network. It will launch you on your way to surviving the end of the world as we know it, so that you too, can feel fine.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: apocalypse; collapse; endoftheworld; noah; preparedness; preppers; prepping; teotwawki

1 posted on 09/22/2012 11:38:16 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Kartographer

PING!


2 posted on 09/22/2012 11:39:02 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Poor Noah, scoffers thought he was nuts but he clung to his God (didn't have a Bible to cling to at that time). The scoffers died.

My grandparents on both sides, in Arkansas, were preppers or they had no food in the winter/spring. There were no scoffers then as everyone stored or went hungry in the winter and spring before the new crops were ready.

So, when did scoffers start? Wasn't during my parent's times because we still canned - everyone did. They wouldn't have known what “prepper” meant.

When gardens were abandoned for plentiful grocery store food, canning stopped for the most part and people didn't store as before because the grocery store had it.

So, dumping on preppers as nut cases is a relatively new behavior. It's like, “I have nothing stored because the grocery down the road has it, so you must be nuts to waste your time to store items anyone can get anytime.

That is what sets preppers apart from scoffers - we see dangers on all sides that could take us back to the 1800s, where storing meant life or death.

We have life insurance not on a piece of paper as it is from Prudential or other life insurance company. Our life insurance is visible - there it is, I can see it, I know it is there. People who don't have physical life insurance that can be seen, are the nutty ones - not us.

3 posted on 09/22/2012 12:05:44 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
G_d's "prepper plan" for Israel, lost for 3,000 years, has now been recovered.
4 posted on 09/22/2012 12:22:41 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"We either grow the food we eat, or we kill it ourselves. ... It’s a way of life that bonds us together in a broken and twisted society that seeks to tear the family apart."

If we are one day banned from employment or commerce for being "bigoted" and refusing to "belong" to the government, maybe the only way to survive would be to hunt and grow our own food.

I was thinking that Sitka Alaska might be a good place to head after the Obama re-election. The climate is somewhat mild and people can fish and hunt for food.

It the location on the pan handle of Alaska would probably be away from the radioactive winds.


5 posted on 09/22/2012 1:04:21 PM PDT by garjog (We do not want another four more years of the last four years.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Do you feel fine?


6 posted on 09/22/2012 1:04:58 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Marcella

Y2K is what made it the object of scorn. We as a nation prepared, worked to prevent any failures from occurring, and none occurred. Rather than being grateful and seeing the widsom of preparation, the scoffers saw it all as a waste of time because nothing noteworthy happened.

It’s been tinfoilt time ever since.


7 posted on 09/22/2012 1:13:11 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Well for the most part, we've had a tremendous amount of "easy living" over the past few generations. For instance, I live in a cold climate and have never been frost-bitten. In fact, there are girls on my street who wear flip-flops year round because all they do is flit from the heated house to a warm car to another warm building. I know, I see them getting in the school bus in the mornings when I'm walking my dog in 20 degree weather, flip-flops a-flapping. There are women in our society who have never had to put on a pair of socks in their lives.

We really have gotten soft as a society. Even the heat doesn't affect us. I slept every hot night this past summer with a heavy blanket on because my wife had the central AC cranked.

I do wonder what would happen if everything was to come crashing down and we truly had a TEOTWAWKI experience. Many postulate that the vast majority of us would assume the fetal position and die a horrible death but I'm not so sure. I think that human beings are very adaptable and by and large, the majority of us will "toughen up" and survive - although without the luxuries we have come to take for granted.

Yes, no doubt millions of us will die, especially those of us who have been extending our lives on modern medicine, such as insulin and blood pressure pills. In addition to prepping, I would suggest that those who are on a steady diet of prescription drugs work with their doctor to get off the prescriptions - maybe adopt a natural diet and exercise more, etc.

8 posted on 09/22/2012 1:26:50 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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9 posted on 09/22/2012 1:31:55 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: RegulatorCountry
“Y2K is what made it the object of scorn. It’s been tinfoil time ever since.”

It also woke some people up who weren't dense in the head.

Fifty percent of the population has an IQ of 90-110. The lower the IQ, the less people worry because they can't make a connection from one happening affecting another happening. IQs from 90 down will never get it. IQ 105-108-109, can reason enough, 110 up have excellent reasoning power to identify problems and see the world as it really is unless they refuse to, due to some societal conditioning that keeps them from moving forward, keeps them stuck where they are.

The smarter a person is, the more problems they can identify and think through to change the outcome for themselves. Preppers tend to be smarter than those who can't identify problems. So, using a non-scientific, non-psychological term, dumb people are happier than smart people.

It was part of my job when I was a professional counselor, that I oversaw the classrooms for the mentally retarded (intellectually challenged or whatever now). The Down’s Syndrome children (IQ 20-40s), were always happy if they had water, food and a bed. Their world was right there and they were happy. They couldn't comprehend/reason, so they couldn't identify a problem.

So, the smarter you are, the more problems you can identify. Preppers try to manage the severity of these problems so they won't be devastating to the family if conditions occur to bring living problems about.

10 posted on 09/22/2012 3:14:18 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Marcella

One more comment. In psychology, we can say a group of like people tend to do “x”. HOWEVER, we cannot predict what an individual person will do. Individuality is just that, individual and every person is an individual.


11 posted on 09/22/2012 3:26:41 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Marcella

1. Reasoning power is worthless when the framework of logic is based on faulty premises. (Accepting faulty premises runs rampant among academic elites.)

2. When I’m told that refusing to agree with an opinion (one which is not self evident) categorizes an individual as “dumb,” I become very skeptical of the whole thing.

3. I prefer to ask myself the question: what would motivate an agenda to influence widespread expectation of societal collapse?


12 posted on 09/22/2012 4:16:07 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: reasonisfaith
“I prefer to ask myself the question: what would motivate an agenda to influence widespread expectation of societal collapse?”

If you are saying preppers want to influence others to expect societal collapse, a look at prepper threads and prepper websites indicate they are centered around preppers talking to preppers. If non-preppers post, then they would talk to them.

I have family members who do not prep at all and that is their choice so I don't bring it up.

I don't know of an agenda to bring prepping to the attention of every person in the country - oh, yes I do. FEMA encourages everyone to prepare for an emergency and has a lot of information on their website as to how to do that, so I suppose that would be “an agenda to influence widespread expectation of societal collapse”. They cover a number of emergencies and some of those might bring about “societal collapse” for a time.

13 posted on 09/22/2012 4:51:12 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Marcella

Here’s a simple way to analyze this.

1. Who wants societal collapse? Answer: the Marxists.

2. What is a good way to set the stage so that societal collapse can be perpetrated? Answer: get people to think it’s supposed to happen.


14 posted on 09/22/2012 4:56:21 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: reasonisfaith
“1. Who wants societal collapse? Answer: the Marxists.
2. What is a good way to set the stage so that societal collapse can be perpetrated? Answer: get people to think it’s supposed to happen.”

Natural disasters happen and Hussein doesn't cause those. Hurricanes come here and I'm prepared for that. There are earthquakes and fires that Hussein doesn't cause.

The economy is almost dead, and yes, Hussein is helping that along. My preps will take care of me if that happens. So, I think that will be Hussein's method of bringing chaos to the whole country.

15 posted on 09/22/2012 5:17:43 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Marcella

Fine.

Just remember one thing:

Societal collapse is not supposed to happen.


16 posted on 09/22/2012 5:23:49 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: garjog

>>>I was thinking that Sitka Alaska might be a good place to head after the Obama re-election. The climate is somewhat mild and people can fish and hunt for food.

It the location on the pan handle of Alaska would probably be away from the radioactive winds.>>>

I’ve been here about 25 years, including a stint just south of Sitka in Ketchikan. Just a few common sense tips about living here:

The climate looks mild on a National Weather Service graph. In actuality, it is freaking brutal, with hurricane-force winds coming up during any month of the year, and rain that you would not believe until you experience it yourself. One night in Ketchikan it rained 11 inches, which was like standing in a old-fashioned shower at full pressure for hours on end. You’ll also need a boat to fish with, and not just a canoe; the ocean, even in protected areas, can be both rough and deadly. Your equipment needs here are far more rigorous than anyplace I’ve lived in the Lower 48. And Southeast, despite the theoretically balminess, is actually one of the worst places in the state to grow food (that is, among the places that can grow food). Where I live now, in the Interior, we can get a fairly large load of veggies for the winter; storage is our problem. Down there in Southeast, it takes twice as long to grow things because of the clouds and cool weather. (Not to mention slugs, root maggots, deer, and general moldy rot.)

In any case, it is tough up here. We try to be prepared, but the truth is that any global cataclysm... hell, any national cataclysm... could send us back not 200 years, but 2,000 years. I’ve actually thought about it. We could probably survive one winter, but I’d have to find a way to hoof the 300 or so miles to the road within a year or face real starvation or worse. In addition, there’s simply not a hell of a lot game up here - at least not like the herds of whitetail deer I’ve seen back East. A season of guys shooting whatever moves, just with the current state population, will make the moose and caribou go extinct. (Just go online and look at the numbers - it isn’t encouraging for feeding everyone everywhere.)

So good luck and God speed - but there really aren’t anyplaces left that are “safe.”


17 posted on 09/22/2012 5:57:33 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: Gene Eric

F*** no.


18 posted on 09/22/2012 7:26:07 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

We really have been living the soft life for a very long time here in America.

“Going to war” means getting on a boat and digging foxholes in somebody else’s back yard. “Stocking up on food” means dragging a second cart around the supermarket. (Hell, most folks I know wouldn’t have the least clue how to kill or prepare meat that didn’t come in a foam tray.)

We have safe water, reliable electricity, dependable communications and tons of entertainment options. This is as good as it gets, folks!

And all of it is a house of cards. Nothing is reliable. Things could change in a matter of minutes to make everything a nightmare.

Prepping for every possible problem that could arise is impossible, not to mention ridiculously expensive. But doesn’t it make sense to have a few days extra food on the shelf? Keep a change of clothes in the trunk of your car?

Well then, you’ve already started prepping! Keep it up!


19 posted on 09/22/2012 8:05:49 PM PDT by DNME (Something wicked this way comes ... before the election. Finish your preps.)
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To: Marcella

“Fifty percent of the population has an IQ of 90-110. The lower the IQ, the less people worry because they can’t make a connection from one happening affecting another happening. IQs from 90 down will never get it. IQ 105-108-109, can reason enough, 110 up have excellent reasoning power to identify problems”

I didn’t realize those numbers. I’ll have to quote them to my mother who doesn’t understand why I don’t have a social life. I don’t consider a social life smiling and listening to morons talk. Nearly everyone in my family qualifies for Mensa. I joined a book club once. They were no doubt relieved I only attended once. The book hit the circular file. I’m a prepper because those who don’t learn from history are bound to repeat it, and it’s common sense. But then I’m over 50 and remember asking what my grandmother’s root cellar was and why she had it. One of the reasons I like FR is because there are intelligent, conservatives to share with.


20 posted on 09/22/2012 8:44:46 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: garjog

Sent PM.


21 posted on 09/22/2012 8:52:02 PM PDT by gettinolder (Smashed lips save ships.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

All this late summer I was buying several cans of the one gallon sized Augason Farms dehydrated foods from Walmart.

I mean I would buy on average two cans every other day, I usually did this as I was in the store at 6am every morning to pick up my lunch and juice for the day, and after awhile some employees would start asking me how many I had, one person who rides the floor scrubbing machine I swear would go out of his way to zoom in on me every time just to chat.

And then it was the checkout people, and then people in the checkout line, all asking if the stuff tasted good.

But I could just not shake off the feeling every one never prepped and was trying to establish some sort of comradely just in case, so they knew where to go to mooch for food.

So my count is over 100 cans, but now I just grab on at a time on the most random schedule, call me paranoid, but don’t call me when you think I have to “Redistribute” my food stock.


22 posted on 09/22/2012 8:54:33 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: garjog

Could be a nice place, up further north where I am they are getting tons and tons of Japanese debris on the beaches, most of our weather comes from Japan actually.

Funny now that I think about it...we just had like three major storms back to back flooding most of south central Alask, it was quite bad in some places, never this much rain in a short period of time, oh and we never had a decent summer, too cool.


23 posted on 09/22/2012 8:57:43 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: garjog; redpoll; Eye of Unk
It the location on the pan handle of Alaska would probably be away from the radioactive winds.

Wouldn't you be pretty much downwind of the gobs and gobs of fallout coming from the Chinese and Siberian missile fields? You're in that latitude, more or less ....

As redpoll was saying, that far north, you'd want to be in at least a local rainshadow, like the one on the east coast of the Olympic Peninsula -- like he said, damp mold veddy veddy bad for respiration, food, you name it.

You'd want instead a moderate climate somewhere between 35 o and 40 o latitude -- or SOUTH latitude. As in, a sheltered valley in the Chilean Andes or Patagonia with clean water and no unfriendly natives (a tough go in Argentina, google up our friend Ferfal, who now lives in Northern Ireland -- for safety).

If they'd let you keep your weapons (probably not), SW Australia, somewhere on the south shore facing the Archipelago of the Recherche (said he, having researched met atlases ages ago), might be a place to look. Or Tasmania, which is mostly horse country, but I think they grow truck there too.

Of course, they're probably both ass-deep in funnel-webs, and the waters full of blue-rings (they have them over in Victoria at the same latitude) and big hammerheads and great whites cruising offshore and coming up in the surf when they smell Drakkar Noir.

So inquire locally. Fire, as you know, is a big bush hazard in the southeast -- who knows about the southwest?

24 posted on 09/22/2012 10:20:06 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Eye of Unk
Funny now that I think about it...we just had like three major storms back to back flooding most of south central Alask, it was quite bad in some places, never this much rain in a short period of time, oh and we never had a decent summer, too cool.

Some Russian and Danish astrophysicists and climatologists who have been busy debunking Michael Mann's "hockey stick" twaddle, think recent solar activity (lack of sunspot activity) bespeaks a slight reduction of solar output that might put us, they think, back in a cooling episode similar to the Dalton Minimum in the mid-18th century, when (until the early 20th century), canals in Holland and big glacial lakes in northern England froze over solidly for months every winter. (They don't any more.) In 1703 there was a legendary storm that chased Good Queen Anne into the basement of St. James's Palace (at the insistence of her faithful staff) and destroyed hundreds of ships in the English Channel. There were several years that featured summers similar to the infamous summer of (I think it was) 1962, when, the English said dourly, "Summer was on Tuesday." Crops failed, people went hungry, animals went to the knackers.

That all said, significant global cooling would mean famine as crops fail (like Greenland in the 1300's); in the Wisconsinian glacial epoch, the Mato Grosso was a savannah like the Serengeti today, without much rainfall.

Before the gradual cooling that commenced 4500 years ago (the end of the Climatic Optimum), there was no Arctic tundra, and the taiga grew to the (ice-free) water's edge of the (ice-free) Arctic Ocean, and broad rivers watered the Sahara and Arabia Felix (the "land of milk and honey").

Global warming equals higher precip equals food in plenty; global cooling equals global desiccation equals starvation. But people don't know that yet.

25 posted on 09/22/2012 10:43:44 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: reasonisfaith
what would motivate an agenda to influence widespread expectation of societal collapse?

Maybe you should read up on Agenda 21.

Personally I think that we have a Global elite, and they are unhappy about all these useless food gobblers taking their pristine environment away from the rightful owners. Themselves of course.

26 posted on 09/23/2012 12:52:13 AM PDT by itsahoot (I'll write in Palin in 2012. That is 1 vote for Palin, 0 votes for Romney and Zer0 votes for Obama.)
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To: pops88
“I didn’t realize those numbers. I’ll have to quote them to my mother who doesn’t understand why I don’t have a social life. I don’t consider a social life smiling and listening to morons talk.”

Your statement is typical of smarter people. They tend to select their friends according to their intellect (people who can understand what the they are saying), and don't want to waste their time in frivolous talk that means nothing. As a result, they tend to have less friends than those of lesser intelligence. And, less friends means less social life.

If your IQ is high enough to be in the upper 2% of the population, and Mensa indicates you are, that means 98 out of 100 people is less intelligent than you. That limits your field of smart people to chose from for meaningful conversation.

I've often said I have a character flaw because I have few friends and don't want an active social life because it wastes my time. Every time the opportunity presents itself, I don't do it. That is the same thing you did with the book club - you quit that.

“I’m a prepper because those who don’t learn from history are bound to repeat it...”

That is exactly why I prep. History says chaos will happen - nothing is static, change always happens and sometimes it is for the better and sometimes it's for the worse. It is for that “worse” that preppers prep.

I would say that high intelligence is difficult to manage because such a person doesn't “fit” comfortably with the majority of people.

The husband of my sister-in-law is a genius and he says people he knows have called him “weird”. He is because he doesn't fit.

Thanks for your post.

27 posted on 09/23/2012 8:31:09 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Eye of Unk

In TEOTWAWKI, what would you heat the water with to un-dehydrate all that food?

(Go tell all the moochers to stick it.)


28 posted on 09/23/2012 12:07:16 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obama should change his campaign slogan to "Yes, we am!" Sounds as stupid as his administration is.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

There will be some moochers here in Alaska no doubt but for the most part we have plenty of trees for firewood.


29 posted on 09/23/2012 1:01:33 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: Marcella

I appreciate your reply and understanding. I generally try to smile, be nice and compassionate. My older sister is generally just a short tempered, nasty biotch to people because she can’t suffer the less intelligent. It gets really old trying to make small talk, and make a joke or innuendo no one gets. And then, yes, people think I’m weird and don’t understand me. My ex-husband had a genius IQ, my daughter is near genius. Thankfully, she is patient, kind and tries to get along with everyone. The really important things though are that she has common sense and wisdom.

Working in a teaching hospital, I couldn’t believe the number of doctors that were supposedly the best and brightest that had no common sense. The top student of my nursing class tried to ambulate a double amputee. I’ll take common sense over brains any day. The two should go hand in hand, but they don’t. That hits the core of why to prep. Some of us figured out, that gee, if the truck can’t get through because of snow, flooding, etc, (never mind the apocalypse) it might be a good idea to have stuff on hand because the sheeple will be clearing out the stores.

When we entered the first Gulf War, I said to my dad that it might be a good idea to have some extra food on hand. He cocked his head and thought about it as I pointed out that ration cards were issued in WWII, and who knew where the war would lead. I was bowled over he actually took my advice. Maybe growing up next to farm country with the idea of storing food for the long winter gives one a different perspective. It’s just hard to understand how we got away from that idea in such a short time. How many storms, hurricanes, floods, etc. do we have to go through before people wake up? I guess we have to say “Zombies” to get their attention.


30 posted on 09/23/2012 4:09:30 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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