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What's with these polls? Romney 51.8 Obama 44 R52-O45 R54-O44 R51-O44 R50-O45
Tea Party Tribune ^ | 2012-09-22 11:30:49 | Gil Guignat

Posted on 09/22/2012 11:42:20 AM PDT by GilGil

Something odd is going on in the Tokyo-Rose-like MSM media. The polls are indicating Obama has already won the election. All of a sudden the MSM is drowning the news in poll, after poll, after poll indicating Obama has won by crushing numbers. The facts are saying otherwise.  It is not just the polling results properly weighted for Republicans and democrats at www.unskewedpolls.com but all over the country the facts are in direct conflict with Tokyo Rose.

In case you do not know who Tokyo Rose was, she was a lady broadcasting in the South Pacific during World War II to allied troops. The broadcasts were of a pleasant nature often featuring music with interspersed commercials telling soldiers what kind of losers they were and how they could not win the war. Fast forward to today and Tokyo Rose has transformed into the Main Stream Media (MSM) where their message is to tell average Americans what kind of losers they are and how resisting is futile. The MSM's greatest commercial featuring defeat is the poll designed to demoralize and conquer.

"The intent of these broadcasts was to disrupt the morale of Allied forces listening to the broadcast. American servicemen in the Pacific often listened to the propaganda broadcasts to get a sense, by reading between the lines, of the effect of their military actions."

If only the majority of Americans, and we are the majority, would understand that they have to have the same approach as the soldiers dealing with Tokyo Rose. In other words, you out there need to understand how to read the MSM's propaganda in order to know what they are most afraid of. Right now there is such a massive effort at disinformation to make you think the polls are giving Obama a victory, when the opposite is true. The principle is simple. Whatever the MSM is making a push for you to believe the most is what they are most afraid of.

Right now they know Obama is facing a crushing defeat. They would not be working so hard to push these polls if he were the favorite winner. He is not!

It is not just the properly weighted polls at www.unskewedpolls.com that shows a huge disconnect of the MSM but facts around the country simply do not reflect their polls. Look at the senate race of Linda McMahon ofConnecticut or the re-election effort of Scott Brown inMassachusetts, Both these Republican candidates are up in the polls in the liberalest of liberal states when they should not be. If Obama is ahead by such crushing numbers, these senate candidates should be collapsing and in fact the opposite is true. This is merely one fact of many that are simply indicating that Obama is facing enormous resistance to his re-election.

That is why the Tokyo-Rose-like MSM is spewing propaganda everywhere. During the Second World War American soldiers knew how to interpret the propaganda sludge. What the majority of Americans need to get good at is to interpret the MSM's propaganda sludge and read through the lines. It is that easy.

Readingthrough the lines as of today, you can see the panic in the MSM. This is a chilling panic and they are hoping that millions of Americans swallow the bait like loser suckers. They do not need to by a long shot since the facts say something totally different. Ronald Reagan was the favorite loser when he ran against Jimmy Carter. We saw what happened there. Romney is the MSM's favorite loser against Obama. Unfortunately, for the MSM their efforts at disinformation by reading through the lines show us just how frightened they are of defeat. They too see the real polls, and they see a cataclysmic loss for Obama. They seem convinced of it.

Learn to read through the lines and learn to ignore the Tokyo-Rose-like MSM like our American soldiers did through the war. Eventually they won a crushing victory and ours is less than two months away.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: 2012polls; teapartytribune
If we are fighting a Tokyo Rose like media then it must mean someone wants to conquer us. Chilling!
1 posted on 09/22/2012 11:42:24 AM PDT by GilGil
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To: GilGil

Yahoo News is Tokyo Rose x 100. They are daily pimping for Obama.


2 posted on 09/22/2012 11:46:32 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: GilGil
The way I see it, the polls are reflecting what the left will end up with after all of the fraud that will occur.

If Rasmussen is as accurate as usual, it won't take a lot of fraudulent votes to secure the win for Obama.

3 posted on 09/22/2012 11:47:02 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: GilGil

Yahoo News is Tokyo Rose x 100. They are daily pimping for Obama.


4 posted on 09/22/2012 11:47:24 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: GilGil

Yahoo News is Tokyo Rose x 100. They are daily pimping for Obama.


5 posted on 09/22/2012 11:47:42 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: GilGil

Sometimes I feel that I live in two countries, or living amongst aliens from outerspace and their enablers, who want to do everything possible to undermine our country and control our lives.

Correct me if I’m wrong:

Liberals ....

- despise our democratic system of government
- despise our constitution
- despise our religions
- despise our flag
- despise our independence
- despise our ability to get ahead
- despise our defense and defense of our country
- despise our friends and allies
- despise our way of life

I wish we could ethnically this country of these aliens!


6 posted on 09/22/2012 11:51:33 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: LibFreeUSA

TYPO

“I wish we could ethnically CLEANSE this country of these aliens!


7 posted on 09/22/2012 11:53:46 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: GilGil

Are there any stats regarding which polling firms were most accurate..and which were least...in 2008 or 2010?


8 posted on 09/22/2012 12:01:31 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

#1 was Rassmussen and I think Pew was #2


9 posted on 09/22/2012 12:02:20 PM PDT by scbison
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To: GilGil

IIRC, Tokyo Rose had a gun to her head. The MSM are willing collaborators.


10 posted on 09/22/2012 12:02:41 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: GilGil
TRM = Tokyo Rose Media. I like it...it should replace 'MSM', because there is NOTHING mainstream about the communist-enabling media. Nothing. TRM...learn it, live it, love it.
11 posted on 09/22/2012 12:04:55 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: scbison

Interestingly, not even Raz saw the level of discontent in 1994. No one saw that coming.


12 posted on 09/22/2012 12:05:42 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: who knows what evil?

Very well said. TRM it is!


13 posted on 09/22/2012 12:06:29 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: All

A bit of a lesson in polling.

The talk you hear of oversampling Ds or Rs or Is to some extent doesn’t mean anything, and to another extent means everything. There are three flavors of turnout model.

1) The turnout mix of the last presidential election.

2) A new measurement of party affiliation done periodically and recently.

3) A semi random sample (non random only to the extent of being sure 80 of 100 telephone prefixes are not the same and providing a corrupted, accidentally non random mix) is taken. The respondents self identify party and that is what is reported.

The vast, vast majority of the polls showing big Obama leads are using (forcing) a partisan mix that fits 2008, which was 6 weeks after Lehman and very likely an aberration. If you used 2010’s partisan mix, you’d see a huge Romney lead.

As best I know, Gallup uses flavor 3. Totally random, respondents self identify and the sample’s partisan mix is reported as what the random measure got.

Not sure, someone will correct, but I think Rasmussen does a recent partisan mix measure of the population.

Regardless, no matter who you are as a pollster, no matter how honest and pure your measurement, if you use 2008’s turnout as the turnout model for your poll, you’re going to show an Obama lead.


14 posted on 09/22/2012 12:08:00 PM PDT by Owen
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To: GilGil

It’s time to create the annual “Baghdad Bob Award” (aka the Bobby Award) for the polling firm with the absolute worst Day-Before-Election-Day Poll.


15 posted on 09/22/2012 12:10:57 PM PDT by immadashell
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To: Owen

Your point about 2008 and Lehman is excellent. We are in Lehman x10 in 2012. Europe is going into depression. Bernanke sayig QE to infinity means the private sector is collapsing. American ambassador of Libya assassinated on anniversary of 9-11, Fast and furious, declining energy, 60 million on food stamps, real unemployment close to 12%, declining manaufacturing, skyrocketing health care costs etc. The point is that this is happening now and affecting everyone. to assume that people are not aware of this is absurd. The polling is delusional.


16 posted on 09/22/2012 12:14:03 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: GilGil

MSM is pimping for Obama. They can dream all they want. Obama is down in every category this time. How is he getting more votes? The youth now see the light with crushing school loans and burger flipper jobs. The Jewish vote will be less. A lot of blacks will stay home because of the same sex marriage debacle. There are still a LOT of very stupid people who will cancel my vote. Remember Aug 1st and the lines at Chick-fil-a. That enthusiasm will drive the Republicans to victory.


17 posted on 09/22/2012 12:14:59 PM PDT by Plumres
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To: GilGil

It’s because here in Soviet America, we love dead raped ambassadors, we like gay presidents, we like being made to look like fools to our enemies, we like tossing our freedoms hard fought for by better men then us down the crapper, hell, we like getting our asses kicked so much that we kick our own asses.


18 posted on 09/22/2012 12:17:26 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Plumres

In 1994 the democrats were thrown out of the house for the first time in 40 years because of Hillary’s Hillarycare. The same will happen in 2012. Basically the opposition to Obamacare is 60-40 and this will be the same margin by which Romney will win.


19 posted on 09/22/2012 12:19:21 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: Plumres

In 1994 the democrats were thrown out of the House for the first time in 40 years because of Hillary’s Hillarycare. The same will happen in 2012. Basically the opposition to Obamacare is 60-40 and this will be the same margin by which Romney will win.


20 posted on 09/22/2012 12:19:37 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: GilGil

Tokyo Rose http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Rose


21 posted on 09/22/2012 12:24:38 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: Owen

“...The vast, vast majority of the polls showing big Obama leads are using (forcing) a partisan mix that fits 2008, which was 6 weeks after Lehman and very likely an aberration. If you used 2010’s partisan mix, you’d see a huge Romney lead...”

Let me just say that I think it is WONDERFUL to have a site like unskewedpolls.com It is WONDERFUL that we are not just sitting back and letting the lame-stream media get away with lie after lie when it comes to their crap polling. The lame-streams were counting on us believing the lies and giving up. Now every time they publish a poll, the party break-down internals are exposed.

Regarding 2012 turnout levels: am I the only one that thinks turnout for Republicans is going to be even MORE than the 2010 levels?? I was mad as hell in 2010 about everything that got shoved through Congress and us being helpless to stop it because of our numbers. What I felt in 2010 was NOTHING compared to the disgust and rage I feel towards this regime today. My intensity level to get to the polling booth is ten times more charged up than it was in 2010.


22 posted on 09/22/2012 12:35:34 PM PDT by ShovelThemOut
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks GilGil.


23 posted on 09/22/2012 12:41:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ShovelThemOut

You are not the only one. The reality is that the MSM aka TRM (Tokyo Rose Media) is a very saml minority of a few hundred thousand at best. We are in the tens of millions and probably 60-90 million this time around. Don’t think it will be even close and the election will be called for Romney by 8:00 PM west coast time.


24 posted on 09/22/2012 12:41:22 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: ShovelThemOut
Regarding 2012 turnout levels: am I the only one that thinks turnout for Republicans is going to be even MORE than the 2010 levels?? I was mad as hell in 2010 about everything that got shoved through Congress and us being helpless to stop it because of our numbers. What I felt in 2010 was NOTHING compared to the disgust and rage I feel towards this regime today. My intensity level to get to the polling booth is ten times more charged up than it was in 2010.

No, you are not alone, Yes, it will be more, It will be Chick-A-Fil meets broken glass Conservatives.

What they do not see is we are not at 4/15 Tea Party Rallies makin' noise, we are organized, we email people, try to flip a middle of the roader we know, one person at a time....

But our thunder will be metaphorically like that of a SPEC-OP sniper, silent and they won't know what hit them. But that know of us ( the media ) and they are scared, they know that we exist, the rest are asleep or strung out on bread and circus...

25 posted on 09/22/2012 12:50:12 PM PDT by taildragger (( Fubarward Obama 2012, think about it :-) ))
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To: ShovelThemOut

“What I felt in 2010 was NOTHING compared to the disgust and rage I feel towards this regime today.”

Yes, Obama is out pimping for Al Qaeda by apologizing for the video, doing exactly what our enemies wanted — getting the word out to Muslims all of the planet that Americans produce insulting videos.

Turning the ME into an Shariah superstate, government take over of health care, $5 billion added to debt, crippling our energy sector, promoting gay marriage and gays in military, attacking Catholics while defending the honor of Islam, sky rocketing gas and food prices, increase in food stamps, dropping work requirement for welfare, gutting our nuclear weapons — it goes on and on.

It is no long a partisan race. It is an election for national survival.

Check out my blog: The Obama Clarifier. http://obamaclarifier.blogspot.com/


26 posted on 09/22/2012 12:50:28 PM PDT by garjog (We do not want another four more years of the last four years.)
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To: GilGil
Interestingly, not even Raz saw the level of discontent in 1994. No one saw that coming.

Michael Barone ( and I did ) :-)... He called it to the numbers, I was off a few seats in each house :-)...

I think Frank Lutz was Advising Mr Newt, and told him to prepare to be Majority Leader, and I think even the Newster had trouble believing it...

27 posted on 09/22/2012 12:53:58 PM PDT by taildragger (( Fubarward Obama 2012, think about it :-) ))
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To: taildragger

Well then we will have to pay attention to you and Barone this time.


28 posted on 09/22/2012 12:56:21 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: ShovelThemOut

Regarding 2012 turnout levels: am I the only one that thinks turnout for Republicans is going to be even MORE than the 2010 levels?? I was mad as hell in 2010 about everything that got shoved through Congress and us being helpless to stop it because of our numbers. What I felt in 2010 was NOTHING compared to the disgust and rage I feel towards this regime today. My intensity level to get to the polling booth is ten times more charged up than it was in 2010.
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All I have to say is Harry Reid and that fires me up to the max. I can’t wait until he is a back bencher. By the way Harry, where is your tax return?


29 posted on 09/22/2012 12:59:51 PM PDT by Plumres
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To: taildragger

I talked to several political consultants a month before the 1994 elections, and they already were predicting the results at that stage. Why do people claim now that it was some big surprise?


30 posted on 09/22/2012 1:12:42 PM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: Steelfish

You are so right about Yahoo.


31 posted on 09/22/2012 1:39:45 PM PDT by carton253
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To: GilGil

http://www.unskewedpolls.com/

email/post this over and over and over


32 posted on 09/22/2012 1:50:45 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does....)
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To: Owen; All

Gallup got a call from the AX man - The Man very upset about honest polling - and then Holder SUED them!

http://www.unskewedpolls.com/


33 posted on 09/22/2012 1:54:13 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does....)
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To: LibFreeUSA

“- despise our democratic system of government”

Democrats - despise our Republic form of government.

In itself, democracy is pure chaos. It is a Republic that gives democracy a workable form.


34 posted on 09/22/2012 1:54:35 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: LibFreeUSA

My thoughts exactly my FRiend. I’m surrounded by conservatives but then we are exposed to crazy “news”...


35 posted on 09/22/2012 1:57:15 PM PDT by conservcalgal (Dear Lord, please bless our nation and those who have stepped up to serve our nation with honor.....)
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To: maine-iac7

I don’t know much about that. But if they are forcing D/R/I ratios to be favorable to Republicans, then it’s just as invalid as any other.

The bottom line here is party affiliation is not what it was in 2008. A purely random sample will get past that. Or a more recently measured party affiliation mix will.

But using the last presidential election as the target mixture, though traditionally not a bad adjustment, probably is this year. Had 2010 not overwhelmingly reversed it, using 2008 would be much more credible.

Rest assured the Obama campaign knows what is going on and their internal polling is as accurate as they can make it. They make ad buys based on polls and it is not in their interests to use incorrect data.


36 posted on 09/22/2012 4:33:42 PM PDT by Owen
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