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G.O.P. Rival Adopts Cuts in Defense as His Issue
The New York Times ^ | September 22nd, 2012 | Jonathan Weisman

Posted on 09/22/2012 1:45:15 PM PDT by KantianBurke

STAFFORD, Va. — Just outside the gates of the storied Quantico Marine Base, George Allen, the Republican nominee for a Senate seat from Virginia, sat down in the offices of a moving van company with more than a dozen defense contractors from his state last Monday to listen to them fret over government spending cuts.

Scott Hirons’s small software firm will probably have to shrink to five employees from 15 by the end of October if nothing is done to head off automatic, across-the-board defense cuts, he said. The cuts will not begin until January, if ever, but the threat alone has already frozen the contracting world, Mr. Hirons said. John Radziszewski worried not just about spending cuts but also about the Pentagon’s recent moves to “in-source” work to government research labs to save money.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2012issues; allen; allen2012; oink; pigsatthetrough; va; va2012; virginia
With the ending of the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan, what exactly CAN be cut in the Defense Department budget?
1 posted on 09/22/2012 1:45:22 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: KantianBurke
Nothing should be cut, in fact, the budget should get a huge increase while entitlements should get a severe cut instead.

However, anyone who wants to gut our defense will be loved by Ron Paul robots.

2 posted on 09/22/2012 1:49:38 PM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: lormand
ROTFLMAO! So even though we're no longer involved in two 10+ year land wars our defense budget needs to go up while at the same time cutting entitlements? Good luck explaining that to Grandma. Meanwhile:


3 posted on 09/22/2012 1:53:16 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke
“I personally could never imagine voting for something so devastating to our national security and jobs in Virginia,” said Mr. Allen...

Three guesses on which he is more concerned with - national security or Virginia jobs.

4 posted on 09/22/2012 1:59:14 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: KantianBurke
ROTFLMAO! So even though we're no longer involved in two 10+ year land wars our defense budget needs to go up while at the same time cutting entitlements? Good luck explaining that to Grandma.

For the person in the street, there's really very little support for defense spending, and polling indicates this is true of both self-identified Republicans and Democrats - the only thing preventing huge cuts are local pork issues, really. And the average person is completely unconcerned about the Chinese, Russian militaries, etc.

Regardless of whether that's the correct view, that's the simple reality out there right now.

5 posted on 09/22/2012 2:07:07 PM PDT by Strategerist
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An Army wholefully undersized to fight more than a theater war; a Navy at its smallest since before Pearl Harbor, the Marines in danger of being eliminated altogether and an Air Force more interested in fighting Christianity than America’s real enemies - and you wonder why people are worried?

We have moved from a pre- 9/11 mentality to a pre-12/7 mentality.


6 posted on 09/22/2012 2:13:49 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: KantianBurke
Half of the costs are personnel costs. DOD is going to have to make some tough decisions on future weapons systems versus personne cuts. Our defense should be predicated on the threat assessment. Defense is probably the most important repsonsibility of government.

As you chart shows the real battle has already begun, i.e., Guns versus butter. Throughout history, this is a common thread as great powers in decline must make these decisions. Butter usually wins because it has the most constituents. Europe is a prime example of what happens. Most European countries plus Canada spend 1% or less of their GDP on defense.

As the welfare state demands more and more resources to keep it afloat, taxes are increased and defense reduced to make up the short falls along with increased borrowing. The US is well along that path as the welfare state collapse. Our population of those over 65 will double in the next 20 years and by 2030, one out of every 5 residents of this country will be 65 or older. And by 2030, there will just be two workers for every retiree compared to 3.3 today and 16 in 1980.


7 posted on 09/22/2012 2:30:58 PM PDT by kabar
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks KantianBurke.
George Allen, the Republican nominee for a Senate seat from Virginia, sat down in the offices of a moving van company with more than a dozen defense contractors from his state last Monday to listen to them fret over government spending cuts.

8 posted on 09/22/2012 4:14:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: lormand

Obamacare has gotta go.


9 posted on 09/22/2012 4:18:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Delhi Rebels
Three guesses on which he is more concerned with - national security or Virginia jobs.

He seems to be conflating the idea of Virginia jobs with northern Virginia jobs .... wonder what people in southern Virginia think about his catering to DoD contractors in Tyson's Corner and Chantilly?

10 posted on 09/22/2012 11:31:15 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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Thanks for posting. Saved to media, for circulation by e-mail.


11 posted on 09/22/2012 11:33:20 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Strategerist

Army medics know that a safe and well armed battle zone is necessary to conduct medical help.

One cannot have health care without defense.


12 posted on 09/23/2012 4:12:51 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: KantianBurke

Only suicidal idiots plan their defense on past conflicts. Laugh your ass off all you want, but the fact is that our nation is in decline which is led by our waning military. Tell that to your grandma.


13 posted on 09/23/2012 6:19:37 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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Only electoral idiots fantasize about increasing the Defense budget at the cost of entitlements. Unless of course you’re willing to increase taxes to pick up the tab for any of it.


14 posted on 09/23/2012 6:31:50 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: lormand

I am NOT a Ron Paul robot, but it’s patently obvious that pursuing the “the budget should get a huge increase while entitlements should get a severe cut instead” line play RIGHT into the hands of the Democrats:
“See, they are warmongers who want to kill granny!”

Truth be told, we CAN and should cut defense spending. We went from 100,000 to 0 troops in Iraq and Afghan commitments are winding down. Obama is determined to lose both wars (Iran is now the powerbroker in Iraq, and taliban are active in Afghanistan and will stay longer than we do).

So what’s the point of $700b if we cant win wars anyway?


15 posted on 09/23/2012 8:20:51 AM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Yep. Fat cat northern virginia crony government contractors getting fat off the government teet. I say this as someone who worked for a govt. contractor for 9 years. The games they play to extract money out of the taxpayers pocket to feather their own nests are sickening.

Of course we need national defense, but the amount of pork in the defense industry is MASSIVE. Particularly with government services staff augmentation contracts.

Bring on sequestration. Sometimes you just have to rip off the bandaid.


16 posted on 10/05/2012 7:21:51 PM PDT by Nagilum
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