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NEW OBAMA ADMIN CLAIM: MARINES COULDN'T HAVE STOPPED CONSULATE ASSAULT
Bretbart News ^ | 21 Sept 2012 | John Sexton

Posted on 09/23/2012 4:09:49 AM PDT by WVKayaker

First Romney, then the You Tube clip, now the Marines are to blame? The Obama administration's shifting claims on what took place in Benghazi, Libya on 9/11 became more defiant yesterday when unnamed officials suggested that no amount of security would have mattered in Libya, not even a detachment of US Marines. This came on the same day the administration also admitted the assault was a terror attack not a protest gone wrong. ...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911ii; alteredsource; benghazi; embassysecurity; libya; marines; nobama; semperfi
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USN, myself, but lots of Marine Friends at the Armed Forces Retirement Homes. Even these old farts could undo what those mindless idiots have done, and definitely would leave their mark!


Sic 'em!

1 posted on 09/23/2012 4:09:58 AM PDT by WVKayaker
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To: WVKayaker

It is reprehensible to allow our Foreign Service delegations to be in a country that is unsecure - without armed protection. It is even more egregious to Monday morning quarterback a heretofore pack of bald faced lies by opining the the US Marine Corps ‘could not have done anything’ in the first place......they weren’t even given the chance.

Our country is run by a cowering, Muslim toad.


2 posted on 09/23/2012 4:13:03 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: WVKayaker
One of the reasons it happened in the first place was BECAUSE THERE WERE NO MARINES.

How stupid is the administration.

And apparently they know nothing of the capabilities of our Marines.

3 posted on 09/23/2012 4:13:39 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: WVKayaker

Two retired Seals stand off the Muzlime swine for several hours, and a detachment of Marines could not have defended the embasy? Give me a break. Even if a detachment of Marines had died in the defense of our consulate and ambassador, which is unlikely, the world would know it is most hazardous to trifle with America.


4 posted on 09/23/2012 4:16:00 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: WVKayaker
As a US ARMY Veteran (1964-1968) I am appalled at the community organizer.
I have been since I first heard his name. . . . .
5 posted on 09/23/2012 4:19:13 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Gallup poll, 1980, two weeks before the election, Gallup had it Carter 47, Reagan 39.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Yeah this is just sick.

IF there had been Marines there and IF they had been armed and IF they had been the ones to make the decisions instead of obamabot flunkies, our Ambassador and the others would have been in much better shape.

IF obama was of a mind to actually defend American interests none of this would be happening.

I posted on here a long time ago that this man will get a lot of good Americans killed for no good reason and here we are.


6 posted on 09/23/2012 4:20:57 AM PDT by Texas resident (Let's elect an American this time.)
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To: Sacajaweau

One other thing.

This is not stupidity.
This is intentional.

obama is not one of us and never will be.


7 posted on 09/23/2012 4:22:23 AM PDT by Texas resident (Let's elect an American this time.)
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To: WVKayaker

To Hell with this lying Marxist regime. They lie, distort, deceive.

It’s goal is to destroy the Country. In this case, it seized on the opportunity to compromise the 1st Amendment to the United States Constitution.


8 posted on 09/23/2012 4:25:24 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: WVKayaker

20 Marines at Benghazi might have made all the difference.

However, there is a problem with “security” as the solution.

The attackers, by definition, get to choose where they attack. Therefore, if security is too tight at location A, they just divert to another less secure location.

IOW, it is not possible to secure all possible target locations heavily enough to prevent or repel attacks.

Which is not to say that the administration wasn’t negligent in this case, just that “security” is not the real answer.


9 posted on 09/23/2012 4:25:40 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: WVKayaker
Didn't the Obama Administration send marines to several dangerous areas without live ammunition? If marines are so ineffective, why does the Obama Administration send them to Afghanistan with rules of engagement that makes them sitting ducks unable to defend themselves?

The Obama Administration is so pathetic they have to lie about everything. And they have to denigrate and blame our brave fighting men.

Obama is the worst president in the history of America.

10 posted on 09/23/2012 4:25:49 AM PDT by detective
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To: Sacajaweau
... How stupid is the administration.

There is nothing "stupid" here. It is an intentional action to aid the advance of Islam!

Barak HUSSEIN Obama... The worst pResident and biggest threat to America and the World we KNEW!


11 posted on 09/23/2012 4:25:51 AM PDT by WVKayaker (I'm more than happy to be Obama's "enemy of the week" - Sarah Palin)
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To: WVKayaker

The hell a FAST team wouldn’t have made a difference. The administration had enough warning to deploy a FAST team, and they decided not to.

For that matter, a normal MSG detachment would have made life hell for the attackers.


12 posted on 09/23/2012 4:26:07 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: WVKayaker

13 posted on 09/23/2012 4:29:23 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: WVKayaker

I think Hussein’s administration GREATLY UNDERESTIMATES our Marines.


14 posted on 09/23/2012 4:32:46 AM PDT by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: Spktyr
... a normal MSG detachment would have made life hell for the attackers.

I had a retired Gunny friend who spent 15 years in Embassies all over. I heard about the quality of Marines chosen for that duty, and based on that, I am sure nobody would f*** with a dedicated crew defending that little piece of America, we call an Embassy.

That extends around the world and they would die before surrender! The enemy would pay a price.


15 posted on 09/23/2012 4:34:14 AM PDT by WVKayaker (I'm more than happy to be Obama's "enemy of the week" - Sarah Palin)
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To: WVKayaker

"You didn't raise that"

16 posted on 09/23/2012 4:35:47 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Spktyr

Nope- all of you are Wrong-!

No amount of marines would have helped-

They would not be given weapons - or like their
brothers in egypt- NO AMMO-!!!

So, technically the marxist/muslim/antiamerican
in the white house is correct.


17 posted on 09/23/2012 4:35:53 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: WVKayaker

In that flag pictue it almost looks like Allen West in the middle. Is it??


18 posted on 09/23/2012 4:37:56 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: Spktyr
The hell a FAST team wouldn’t have made a difference

Exactly; I don't know how they are composed now. When I was in the Security Battalion, though, FAST Companies were basically heavy infantry companies, and were loaded for bear. They had specialized training in CQB, and were highly motivated; closest thing to SOC, without actually being classified as such.

Not sure how regular embassy guards would have fared against such a large force. There's not too many of them in any given country, and they really aren't armed too heavily. I do know that a FAST platoon, let a lone a whole company, would have cleaned the bad guys clocks; even on short notice.

19 posted on 09/23/2012 4:48:09 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: MomwithHope
I believe they are enlisted men.

But, I see that a RC Church in Nigeria was car-bombed, and another Christian killed by the ROP! 46 were injured as well.

Their plan is working well! It is bringing us closer to the End, at least!

Come quickly, Lord Jesus! (But, if He delays, LOCK AND LOAD!) They will be trying that here, soon!

20 posted on 09/23/2012 4:49:52 AM PDT by WVKayaker (I'm more than happy to be Obama's "enemy of the week" - Sarah Palin)
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To: mj1234

Disagree. They would have ‘borrowed’ from their attackers.


21 posted on 09/23/2012 4:52:22 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: WVKayaker

You can piss off a lot of people with minimal to no repercussions.

YOU DON’T F*K WITH MARINES. THEY WILL KILL YOU AND FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN YOU F’ED WITH THEM.

Semper fi.
Do or die.


22 posted on 09/23/2012 4:53:29 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Lion Den Dan

Bengahzi is NOT the Embassy,that is in Tripoli where Stevens office is. No one has asked or answered why Stevens was in BenGahzi in the first place with the only security being a Muslim Group providing it and Ultimately aiding in His Murder.
The former Navy seals were working for a Different agency,what agency? I dont know,possibly CIA,Stevens could also have been a CIA Officer,he brokered the deal to get the Rebels the Guns to depose Ghadafi,Could he have been there to try and retrieve those weapons since the rebels who dumped Ghadafi were Al Queda?


23 posted on 09/23/2012 4:53:33 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: WVKayaker

Lock-n-load anyway - you may have to make a fighting retreat to His pickup zone.


24 posted on 09/23/2012 4:53:39 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Sherman Logan

WHY was the AMB. at this OUTPOST and not at the EMBASSY???? Was that HIS idea or Hillary’s????


25 posted on 09/23/2012 4:56:24 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: WVKayaker

if armed Marines had been there, fortified and ready, there would have been no attack and Stevens would be alive.


26 posted on 09/23/2012 4:56:30 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: WVKayaker

What a crock. Any Marine or military person would have dealt with the threat or died trying. You can bet your a** none of them would go to sleep knowing a team member was under attack. He and his posse are not like us.


27 posted on 09/23/2012 5:00:57 AM PDT by Pat4ever
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To: WVKayaker
probably the first time the admin has actually told the truth

with the ROE imposed on them by the Obozo and the State Dept they would have been reduced to hand-to-hand only after getting permission from DC

(although I acknowledge that 1 marine is worth 200 of these fargin iceholes)

28 posted on 09/23/2012 5:01:39 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Gaffer

-——to allow our Foreign Service delegations to be in a country that is unsecure——

In the instance in question, the dead one believed he possesses God like ability to calm and pacify to the point his striving provided the shield and protection. You completely miss the point of pacifists who believe we must coexist and can coexist. The pacifist delusion is on trial and is shown to be that delusion. It will not however disappear because some nonexistent external rationalization will be raised as cause.

What should not be allowed is a pacifist State Department populated by delusional ideologues spouting Harvard Yard pacifist drivel.


29 posted on 09/23/2012 5:06:40 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: WVKayaker

If there were 20 marines at the compound, the jihadi’s would NOT have attacked. They had inside info that the Ambassador was protected by next to nobody so they took advantage.

The marines would have been a DETERRENT, but the Obama Administration is weak, not strong, and all the Islamo terrorists know that.


30 posted on 09/23/2012 5:12:04 AM PDT by barryobi
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To: Sacajaweau

Why was he there anyway.

What would cause a grown, intelligent man to leave the safety of his protection, and go to an obscure place..pretty much on his own?

Does anyone have an answer for that? Or am I missing something?


31 posted on 09/23/2012 5:16:10 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am NOT from Vermont. I am from MA. And I don't support Romney. Please read before "assuming.")
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To: Abundy
(although I acknowledge that 1 marine is worth 200 of these fargin iceholes)


Marine Pfc. Douglas Lightheart (right) cradles his 30-cal. machine gun in his lap, while he and his buddy Pfc. Gerald Thursby Sr. take time out for a cigarette, while mopping up the enemy on Peleliu Island, September 14, 1944. Note that the surname of the second soldier was misidentified as Churchby by the photographer and for many years subsequently

... One particularly bloody battle on Bloody Nose came when the 1st Battalion, 1st Marines—under the command of Major Raymond Davis—attacked Hill 100. Over six days of fighting, the battalion suffered 71% casualties. Captain Everett Pope and his company penetrated deep into the ridges, leading his remaining 90 men to seize what he thought was Hill 100. It took a day fighting to reach what he thought was the crest of the hill, which was in fact another ridge, occupied by more Japanese defenders.

Trapped at the base of the ridge, Pope set up a small defense perimeter, which was attacked relentlessly by the Japanese throughout the night. The Marines soon ran out of ammunition, and had to fight the attackers with knives and fists, even resorting to throwing coral rock and empty ammunition boxes at the Japanese. Pope and his men managed to hold out until dawn. When they evacuated the position, only nine men remained. Pope later received the Medal of Honor for the action. -(wicked) wiki excerpt: Read more about the Battle of Peleliu

My Note: These men looked into the face of evil and made it through hell...

32 posted on 09/23/2012 5:17:36 AM PDT by WVKayaker (I'm more than happy to be Obama's "enemy of the week" - Sarah Palin)
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To: Vermont Lt

There are only two possibilities for me given the debacle of the cover up.

Intelligence
Traitor

I am going with Intelligence - CIA.

And why was his diary there and not in Tripoli????????????????

William F Buckley CIA posing as State Department was warned about danger. He ignored it. He was kidnapped and tortured and killed because of it.

Stevens knew he was in danger.So why did he ignore it.


33 posted on 09/23/2012 5:29:42 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Ann Archy

Don’t know. Presumably ambassadors travel around the host country for various reasons. I doubt he was based in Benghazi.


34 posted on 09/23/2012 5:29:49 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: elpadre

Probably true. And we would be reading about an attack somewhere else that had less security.


35 posted on 09/23/2012 5:32:06 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: WVKayaker

If there were a USMC det there, the Jihadis would not have attacked...they would have known the dogs of war would have kicked their asses.


36 posted on 09/23/2012 5:39:40 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: RummyChick

My qusetion would be, which sob outed him and revealed the location of his safe house to the muslims.The sonsof bitches that put this imposter in the White House... words fail me after this. I find that I despise them more each day that passes.


37 posted on 09/23/2012 5:40:39 AM PDT by sport
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To: Sherman Logan

Amb. are BASED at EMBASSIES...not in any outposts. He SHOULD have been at the embassy which is gurded and fortified....it was 9-11 for gosh sakes.


38 posted on 09/23/2012 5:40:39 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Or, they are smitten with Hollyweird and think that a single, unarmed person is capable of comic book superhero actions.


39 posted on 09/23/2012 5:43:17 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit (School is prison for children who have commited the crime of being born. (attr: St_Thomas_Aquinas))
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To: ballplayer
RE post 23, BINGO we have a winner.

So, what is the "official" reason that Stevens was in Benghazi (terror central) on 9/11 with no security, no advance team, no escape plan. Are they hiding a CIA op? I think so. Why? To what end? The op is blown, or maybe they don't know that.

40 posted on 09/23/2012 5:44:35 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: RummyChick
WHY didn't the rebels nd the LOCALS take his diary....they took EVERY OTHER piece of paper....probably a LOT of classified info there.

WHY DIDN"T THEY TAKE HIS DIARY???? hmmmmmmmm

It was still there until Anderson Cooper took it??? Fake story??

41 posted on 09/23/2012 5:46:06 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: RummyChick

I don’t disagree.

But is it normal for an Ambassador to travel to a consulate without a security team?

No one has explained why he was there.

Clearly, at least to me, is this trip was a normal part of his routine. And that someone who knew that tipped off the terrorists. They knew he was there. They knew he was without his security.

Why would someone travel without security?

They would if they did not want to draw attention to themselves or if they did not want the security to know what they are doing. Or both.

So, you have a man routinely traveling to a remote site with no security because he did not want to draw attention to himself or he did not want his security team seeing what was going on.

There are very few possibilities for WHY he was there that are not really embarrassing or just plain bad.


42 posted on 09/23/2012 5:48:36 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am NOT from Vermont. I am from MA. And I don't support Romney. Please read before "assuming.")
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To: RummyChick

I don’t disagree.

But is it normal for an Ambassador to travel to a consulate without a security team?

No one has explained why he was there.

Clearly, at least to me, is this trip was a normal part of his routine. And that someone who knew that tipped off the terrorists. They knew he was there. They knew he was without his security.

Why would someone travel without security?

They would if they did not want to draw attention to themselves or if they did not want the security to know what they are doing. Or both.

So, you have a man routinely traveling to a remote site with no security because he did not want to draw attention to himself or he did not want his security team seeing what was going on.

There are very few possibilities for WHY he was there that are not really embarrassing or just plain bad.


43 posted on 09/23/2012 5:48:36 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am NOT from Vermont. I am from MA. And I don't support Romney. Please read before "assuming.")
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To: NTHockey

Ooorah.

I told a Marine about this story yesterday. He got LOUD. In public, too.


44 posted on 09/23/2012 5:55:28 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: WVKayaker
HAHAHAHAHA! One Marine and a .50 could have stopped that assault. Those delicate flowers in the White House don't understand about heterosexual men.
45 posted on 09/23/2012 5:56:39 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Vermont Lt

One wonders if this is how Obama would protect the United States...with a “no bullet” defense. Pray for the U.S.


46 posted on 09/23/2012 5:59:51 AM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: Vermont Lt

May be related to this?

“Obama backs effort to recover Arab Spring assets”
The Associated Press

September 11, 2012

Read more here: http://www.islandpacket.com/2012/09/11/2205992/obama-backs-effort-to-recover.html#storylink=cpy

“U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder (L) and Qatar’s Attorney General Ali Bin Mohsen bin Fetais Al-Marri (R) attend the closing session of the Arab Forum on Asset Recovery in Doha September 13, 2012”

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/8pXI8ZXQLDyC3em8dP6h0A—/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNTk7cT04NTt3PTUxMg—/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-09-13T153259Z_2115286851_GM1E89D1TBH01_RTRMADP_3_QATAR.JPG


47 posted on 09/23/2012 6:03:54 AM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

The story changes every time an unexpected consequence arises. The goal seems to be avoiding consequence rather than establishing a cover.

The meanderings reveal a lack of discipline in an arena that requires complete dedication and to an extent, the willingness to give no answer even when it may project a political image that is unpleasant. The evolution of the story is not consistent with revealed facts but seems to be the approach of a the average school age child who has not yet recognized that the world does not conform to imagined scenarios.

If this is a cover for an op, that is being handled very poorly.


48 posted on 09/23/2012 6:07:15 AM PDT by Shanty Shaker
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To: sneakers

You might want to consider the possibility that he doesn’t underestimate the Marines ability which is why they weren’t there to begin with.

When it comes to politics assume nothing.


49 posted on 09/23/2012 6:09:19 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: NTHockey
YOU DON’T F*K WITH MARINES. THEY WILL KILL YOU AND FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN YOU F’ED WITH THEM. Semper fi. Do or die.

I routinely bed their wives and daughters, have done so for 25 years. Are you saying I am now in jeopardy?

50 posted on 09/23/2012 6:11:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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