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Age could become a factor in kidney transplants(death panels in motion)
WFAA.com ^ | 9/20/12 | Teresa Woodard

Posted on 09/23/2012 6:50:15 AM PDT by DallasBiff

"The new system would take 20 percent of the 'best' kidneys or kidneys that have the potential to last the longest, and give them to the 20 percent of patients that could last the longest," Cutler explained. "So, a simple example would be a young donor going into a young patient."

And the reverse would be true, too.

"Older kidneys would go to older patients," he said.

He said the current system of matching donors and recipients is based on how long someone has been waiting, how close the match is, and how likely it is another match could be found. But there are problems, he said.

"Maybe you have a great match, but it's a 72-year-old donor," he said. "Do you want to give that kidney to a 10-year-old child?"

Greenville teacher Yvonne Pannell, 54, is now on the transplant list for a second time. Her brother donated a kidney to her in 1998, but that gift is now beginning to fail.

"We've done everything we can at this point," she said, shrugging. "I've had a good life, made my mark on society. I don't have any regrets."

(Excerpt) Read more at wfaa.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; democratscandals; obama; obamacare; palin; rationing; romney; socializedmedicine; staterunhealthcare; zerocare
Sarah Palin's prediction coming to fruition.
1 posted on 09/23/2012 6:50:22 AM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff

How about giving preference to people who have been on the donor lists for a long time? I’ve been on the organ donor list for over 30 years. Shouldn’t that give me a preference should I need one?


2 posted on 09/23/2012 6:56:38 AM PDT by Andyman (The truth shall make you FReep.)
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To: DallasBiff

Don’t forget “We’ve got to pass the law before we find out what’s in it”.


3 posted on 09/23/2012 6:57:22 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again")
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To: DallasBiff
Kidneys are a prime candidate for a "grow from your own adult stem-cell" approach. Hopefully, in the near future, donations, and the lifetime of anti-rejection medication will be a moot point.

Assuming, of course, that research can continue under Obamacare.

/johnny

4 posted on 09/23/2012 6:59:14 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Andyman

How can you be on an organ donor list for 30 years? I’m on the kidney donor list now. Organs from older donors are already not given to young patients and if there is an exact match (1 in a million chance) for me anywhere in the country, I will get that kidney regardless of who is ahead of me on the list. So, this article is a little confusing to me.


5 posted on 09/23/2012 7:02:10 AM PDT by nonamer
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To: DallasBiff
Having worked for 20 years at the hospital where the very first kidney transplant was performed I know something about organ transplantation.*This* story,at least,reflects a debate that's been occurring in medicine for years.There are many,*many* factors involved in organ transplantation including age,tissue typing,location of the organ in relation to the patient's location,condition of the organ,overall condition of the potential recipient,etc.

"Death panels" will very probably come into existence if OsamaObamaCare ever comes into force but *this* difficult dilemma existed long before Osama Obama snorted his first line of cocaine.

6 posted on 09/23/2012 7:12:13 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: nonamer

What is the shelf life of a transplanted kidney?


7 posted on 09/23/2012 7:49:45 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: DallasBiff

Obamacare: Srewed without a kiss.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3CWLCoQu7c


8 posted on 09/23/2012 7:52:16 AM PDT by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Yes, this has been a debate for quite some time but under Obamacare I fear it will get even worse (gas on fire).

I believe in India and the US they’ll soon be testing (2017) self-contained (coffee cup sized), implantable artificial kidneys made from a patient’s stem cells. The item has no moving parts, filters blood, regulates water levels, helps regulate BP, creates Vitamin D and has an endurance expectancy of decades.

No batteries are needed as the patient’s BP powers the system.

WOW!!!! Science-fiction becomes science-fact!!! Dr. McCoy, your patient awaits.

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/smart-takes/artificial-kidney-put-on-research-fast-track/25851


9 posted on 09/23/2012 7:59:02 AM PDT by Kolath
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To: All

I wonder under Obamacare they are going to determine who can and can’t have kids??


10 posted on 09/23/2012 8:29:03 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Romney / Ryan 2012)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Your body tries to “destroy” the kidney in the first year after the transplant. A lot of variables come into play but the closest match, such as a living relative donor, has the best chance of your body accepting the transplant. The averages are about 9 to 12 years depending on the match. I can’t find the literature I have on it right now so I am going strictly from memory but I think those are pretty close estimates. I recently talked to a man at the renal transplant center in my hospital who received a kidney from the cadaver list that has lasted 15 years.


11 posted on 09/23/2012 8:55:10 AM PDT by nonamer
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To: Andyman

How about a market in organs? Often families are left destitute when the body of the head of household is actually very valuable. It sounds morbid, but everyone benefits and profits from the organ trade except the donor or their family.

It’s stupid that we let non-profits run our blood banks, too. They’re chronically short. A pint of blood runs from $130-350+ depending on region and supplies, yet the FDA prohibits payments for blood. Why? They hate free markets and don’t trust people.


12 posted on 09/23/2012 8:59:19 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: nonamer
I have Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis, a terminal lung disease. A double lung TX, plus a million+ dollars, a lifetime of rejection drugs, very little quality of life all for 5 years or so. NO thanks!
13 posted on 09/23/2012 9:01:35 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: DallasBiff
researchers used a computer model to test the proposal, and they believe it would significantly reduce the number of kidneys donated but not ever used.

How did computer modeling work out on the climate change issue? GIGO.

14 posted on 09/23/2012 9:03:30 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Sorry to hear that. I guess kidney transplants are much different. If successful, life should be almost normal except for monthly doctor visits, specimen samples and the anti-rejection drugs. However, that is already the norm for anyone with kidney failure.


15 posted on 09/23/2012 9:08:24 AM PDT by nonamer
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To: 1010RD

Apples and oranges. It makes perfect sense to use computer modeling to match donors and organ recipients. I can write a program to do it. It’s NOT that difficult. If someone has an agenda to manipulate data, they will do it regardless of how the data is stored or gathered.


16 posted on 09/23/2012 9:20:09 AM PDT by nonamer
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To: DallasBiff

bureaucrats making health care decisions, who’d have thunk it?


17 posted on 09/23/2012 9:42:08 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: DallasBiff

And if you die waiting for a kidney that’s in your age group, even though there’s another one in a different age group, too effing bad.

This is sick crap.


18 posted on 09/23/2012 10:00:31 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: DallasBiff

My sister is on the transplant waiting list


19 posted on 09/23/2012 10:12:49 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: DallasBiff

Soon enough your political affiliation will be a factor in whether you receive a transplant.


20 posted on 09/23/2012 10:25:51 AM PDT by informavoracious (Abortions are unproductive wrongs, not reproductive rights.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

BS. Get educated on the death panels brought to you from YOUR LEADER!


21 posted on 09/23/2012 10:46:25 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name; Gay State Conservative
BS. Get educated on the death panels brought to you from YOUR LEADER!

What a stupid response to a well-thought out post. Your hatred of Romney has literally made you dumber.

22 posted on 09/23/2012 10:52:56 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: presently no screen name

Did someone just pass gas?


23 posted on 09/23/2012 11:00:31 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive!)
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To: Pharmboy
This might be the spot for this link:

Low Carbohydrate Diet May Reverse Kidney Failure in People With Diabetes

Note, this is a high fat diet, NOT a high protein diet.

24 posted on 09/23/2012 11:10:44 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: JRandomFreeper

Hopefully, with Mitt in come this November, Obamacare will face its own death panel.


25 posted on 09/23/2012 11:33:31 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: DallasBiff; All

26 posted on 09/23/2012 11:36:25 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Biggirl
I certainly hope Romney will repeal it.

/johnny

27 posted on 09/23/2012 11:39:34 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: nonamer
I lost a kidney and a spleen in a slip/fall accident, but fortunately, my other kidney is doing fine.

I do miss my spleen (funny, we never talked), and would be willing to replace both, if I could get ones grown from my own tissues.

It may happen yet. I should be good for another 20 years, and grown organs (besides the ones they already do) may be an option.

Probably not under Obamacare, though.

/johnny

28 posted on 09/23/2012 11:45:23 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Black Agnes

Thanks...yes, low carbs seem to be good everywhere. As you likely know, high protein is bad for kidneys—even those with borderline kindey function.


29 posted on 09/23/2012 12:00:39 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

YOU would know; who dealt it, smells it.


30 posted on 09/23/2012 1:20:14 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: nonamer

This is true! I had a liver and kidney transplant in 2008. You go for a blood test once a month to check on function. You see a doctor or two once every six months. You need anti-rejection pills each and every day. Then, at least in my case, you thank God and you thank your donor every day that you are still alive.
I have found that there are many misconceptions about transplants, even amongst medical personnel at hospitals that don’t perform them.


31 posted on 09/23/2012 4:24:56 PM PDT by Seabeejas (h)
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To: DallasBiff

It is happening already and has been for years. I know a 95 year old woman who needs a kidney transplant and they won’t give it to her. It is horrible. In 2002, I knew a man who was 88 who was turned down for a liver transplant. Our country is awful when it comes to the elderly.


32 posted on 09/23/2012 5:02:30 PM PDT by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: 1010RD
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/my-organs-are-for-sale/

I have always remembered this great article by Walter Williams . There is a shortage of organs because the price is kept at zero by law. Putting a floor on prices (price control) creates shortages. Proven over the centuries, time and time again. How well did Nixon/Carter price control over gas work out?

33 posted on 09/23/2012 5:21:35 PM PDT by rebooted
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To: Future Snake Eater

What a stupid comment - but then, again, it’s you!


34 posted on 09/23/2012 5:48:20 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: DallasBiff
its happening and it won't be pretty but it was heading this way anyway....

we can't keep millions of 85 yros alive with one on one care/tube feedings/tpn/oxygen and breathing treatments/ etc....we can't afford heart transplants or VAD devices for everybody that needs it....

lets face....our longevity has not been taken into consideration in our society...

in other societies, people don't "retire" and start drawing pensions in their late 30's or 40's or 5O's all the while having paid for health care...in other countries, everyone contributes in some way, even if its just taking care of grandbabies in the home...

but not America...no, we have to give 50 yrs the right to act like their 90...they don't have to work, they don't have to worry about health care....and they get all the senior goodies....

we need to change the plan...

work longer....maybe work forever with lots of time off (like teachers0 and then maybe we can afford to have health care for everybody their entire lives...

35 posted on 09/23/2012 9:05:52 PM PDT by cherry
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To: napscoordinator

Did they not give the woman a kidney transplant because of age or due to a high likelihood her body will reject it? Not everybody actually qualifies to remain on the cadaver list and you have to be “tested” once a year to prove you’re medically fit to receive an organ. It’s not some morbid conspiracy because sometimes a transplant just doesn’t make sense.

At the hospital where I am listed on the cadaver list, they won’t give me a kidney from someone over 60 years old. It just won’t function well enough for my body. They also have better matching for senior citizens because that age group will receive a kidney from a cadaver in that age group even though the lifespan is lower for those kidneys.

So, I am just curious about the reason why the person you know can’t get a transplant.


36 posted on 09/24/2012 8:50:16 AM PDT by nonamer
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To: rebooted

Good article and here’s one back at you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Scheper-Hughes

This mad woman is causing more harm than good on her mission. Just like Rachel Carson with Silent Spring and that lady who lead the charge against horse meat in America - emotionalism and a fundamental misunderstanding of markets and liberty - create misery.


37 posted on 09/24/2012 11:52:28 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: nonamer

Exactly - GIGO.


38 posted on 09/25/2012 12:13:32 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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