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Houston police shoot double amputee
KSAT.com ^ | 9/23/2012 | By the CNN Wire Staff

Posted on 09/23/2012 10:04:45 AM PDT by JohnKinAK

A Houston police officer shot and killed a schizophrenic, wheelchair-bound double amputee threatening people with a pen at a group home for the mentally ill after authorities said the man advanced on the officer's partner.

The shooting occurred early Saturday morning after police responded to a call that resident Brian Claunch was acting aggressively after his caretaker refused to give him a cigarette and a soda, the owner of the home and police said.

"The officers made verbal commands for the suspect to drop whatever he had in his hand, to stay still and to speak with the officers, but the suspect continued to make threats," Jodi Silva, a police spokeswoman, said.

Claunch, who lost an arm and a leg in a train accident, trapped one of the officers with his wheelchair in the corner of a room and attempted to stab the officer with an object that turned out to be a pen.

Officer Matt Marin, "in fear of the safety of his partner and the safety of himself, discharges his duty weapon, striking the suspect," Silva said.

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1 posted on 09/23/2012 10:04:49 AM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: JohnKinAK

Another account:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2935093/posts


2 posted on 09/23/2012 10:10:48 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Given that they name the officer who shot the double-amputee but not the one who was ‘trapped’ by the double-amputee, I’m betting that the unnamed officer was a woman.


3 posted on 09/23/2012 10:10:48 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: JohnKinAK

This should help the staff of the group home, keep the patients in line.

Shut your mouth or we will call the police, remember what happened to Brian.


4 posted on 09/23/2012 10:12:31 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: JohnKinAK

Did they kill his dog as well?


5 posted on 09/23/2012 10:14:02 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: JohnKinAK

Christ! it is a good thing these ‘Houston Deputies’ were in possession of fire arms. They would not be able to survive out on their own otherwise.They would be at the mercy of every elementary school aged girls that wanted to pick on them. They would have to be kept in their respective homes and carefully protected by anyone else with a little cojones and backbone.

The officer could not get away from a guy in a wheelchair, armed only with a pen? cornered? feared for his life? What?was he screaming like a little girl.

take foot, place on wheelchair and push. Chair fall over or rolls away. Situation resolved without loss of life.

This sounds to me to be an extreme case of cowardise or he really wanted to kill someone, anyone.


6 posted on 09/23/2012 10:15:46 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Really NOW!!!!)
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To: JohnKinAK

The cop knew that a pen is mightier than a sword. Or he feared to be run over by the wheelchair.

It’s a dangerous world.


7 posted on 09/23/2012 10:16:27 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: vbmoneyspender

Another account here:

http://news.yahoo.com/houston-officer-kills-double-amputee-wheelchair-222540280.html

Unclear, but seems to suggest the cornered “officer” was a “he”.


8 posted on 09/23/2012 10:17:19 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: JohnKinAK
cigarette and a soda ......

Just give him the damned cigarette and a soda for God's sake. This is just pure meanness by the caretaker.

He trapped one of the officers in the corner???? WHAT?

Now he's dead, just because he only wanted a damned cigarette and a soda? How hard is it to satisfy that wee little desire?

9 posted on 09/23/2012 10:17:33 AM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: vbmoneyspender
....I’m betting that the unnamed officer was a woman.

***************

WE HAVE A WIN-N-N-A-A-H-H-H-H-H-HH!!!!

10 posted on 09/23/2012 10:20:04 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: JohnKinAK

The cop will be defended by the chief and his union. Unbelievable how far this country’s police forces have fallen over the last couple of decades.


11 posted on 09/23/2012 10:27:45 AM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood

As I said on another forum:
The ideal of the Texas Ranger is dead. Todays badge carrying pansies keep sayng “The most important thing is to go home at the end of your shift”; right before they tase an eighty year old bedridden granny.


12 posted on 09/23/2012 10:34:51 AM PDT by Zippo44 (Liberal: another word for poltroon.)
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To: JohnKinAK

These stories don’t attract as many cop groupie apologists as they used to. Occasionally one will pop up, but not like a few years ago.


13 posted on 09/23/2012 10:35:49 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: JohnKinAK
“I tried to just wound him in the arm but he didn't have an arm there so I tried to wound in the leg but he didn't have have a leg there so I had to kill him. You understand, don't you? Well, don't you?”

What next? shooting someone who is unconscious because they snore aggressively?

14 posted on 09/23/2012 10:41:05 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: JohnKinAK

I’d like to hear the other side of the story. How out of control was the mentally ill schizophrenic? Was the officer pinned against the wall by the wheelchair? I don’t know - there is more story here, yet, and I am waiting to see.


15 posted on 09/23/2012 10:45:37 AM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: dirtymac

Was Joe Pesci involved ala “Casino”?


16 posted on 09/23/2012 10:50:24 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: JohnKinAK
If two policemen cannot subdue a person like this in this type of situation then they don't need to be on the police force. Don't these people carry Teasers for something like this? Or could not a nurse have gotten a syringe of knock out medicine and given it to him in the neck?
Surely there was a better way.
17 posted on 09/23/2012 10:54:13 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: bboop
I’d like to hear the other side of the story. How out of control was the mentally ill schizophrenic? Was the officer pinned against the wall by the wheelchair? I don’t know - there is more story here, yet, and I am waiting to see.

You're pathetic.

18 posted on 09/23/2012 10:56:35 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: JohnKinAK

What a brave, brave man who blew away a dangerous homicidal maniac who was wielding a .45 caliber ball point pen. Give that man a medal for valor, a raise, and a lifetime pension. He’s a credit to his union.


19 posted on 09/23/2012 11:02:57 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: dirtymac

Any police officer sent on a call is empowered to shoot one or more living mammals. it is in their training and rules. If there is a dog present then the dog must be shot and shooting a person besides might invite a raised eyebrow at headquarters. This keeps the officers in practice for when the orders come down to confiscate all civilian owned weaponry and arrest all enemies of the state by name or by category.


20 posted on 09/23/2012 11:14:09 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: annieokie

The officer will be punished by several weeks of involuntary paid vacation after which there will be a ceremony and a Heroism citation.


21 posted on 09/23/2012 11:16:59 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: ColdOne

Beat me to it...was gonna ask if he had a service dog.


22 posted on 09/23/2012 11:24:43 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep, the clowns will eat me)
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To: ColdOne

23 posted on 09/23/2012 11:26:22 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep, the clowns will eat me)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Yeah, like having another officer grab the handles of the wheelchair and back him out.

But it’s so much easier to squeeze a trigger.

Who’s really gonna miss a worthless, crazy cripple, anyway?

/s


24 posted on 09/23/2012 11:29:48 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep, the clowns will eat me)
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To: microgood

Remember Clinton’s push to put 100,000 more cops on the street and standards were lowered to achieve it. This is the result.


25 posted on 09/23/2012 11:30:38 AM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: bboop

It was a wheelchair, not a Hummer.


26 posted on 09/23/2012 11:31:38 AM PDT by Salamander (Can't sleep, the clowns will eat me)
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To: ColdOne

There weren’t any dogs that’s why they killed him.


27 posted on 09/23/2012 11:32:15 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Salamander

!


28 posted on 09/23/2012 11:34:57 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; w/ different flie$" :^)
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To: JohnKinAK
"trapped one of the officers with his wheelchair in the corner of a room and attempted to stab the officer with an object that turned out to be a pen."

It's easy to criticize when you have the benefit of hindsight.

29 posted on 09/23/2012 11:45:58 AM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: TigersEye

;)


30 posted on 09/23/2012 11:50:12 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: TigersEye

;)


31 posted on 09/23/2012 11:50:46 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: bboop

What effing other side to the story? This was a double amputee in a wheelchair with a pen.

No excuses; no justifications. This was murder by doughnut-eating dog-killers wearing government costumes.

This would be as funny as Monty Python’s Black Knight skit if it weren’t so tragic.


32 posted on 09/23/2012 11:51:35 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Edward Teach
It's even easier to criticize when the dead man was a double
amputee in a wheel chair in a group home for the mentally ill.
33 posted on 09/23/2012 11:55:46 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: bboop

I’d like to hear the other side of the story. How out of control was the mentally ill schizophrenic? Was the officer pinned against the wall by the wheelchair? I don’t know - there is more story here, yet, and I am waiting to see.


Same here. After what happen to Ramos and Compean after they shot that Illegal Alien drug dealer (and were wrongly convicted of a crime)....I like to see what else is involved here

Something tells me that this may not be the first time LEOs had to deal with this person


34 posted on 09/23/2012 11:58:43 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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A schizophrenic. Wow... Talk about your “death panels,” this one’s was led by Judge Dredd!


35 posted on 09/23/2012 12:02:29 PM PDT by Prospero
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To: SeminoleCounty
Something tells me that this may not be the first time LEOs had to deal with this person

Oh, hell, yeah!!!

36 posted on 09/23/2012 12:02:46 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Salamander
Yeah, like having another officer grab the handles of the wheelchair and back him out.

You beat me to it.

37 posted on 09/23/2012 12:13:07 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: JohnKinAK

When I read extreme stories like this, I can’t help but reflect that I worked as a guard in a state penitentiary in medium security for a year and a half, and as a bouncer in a club in Tampa for two years, I was never armed, and I only had one incident where I ever had to pop anybody, one shot to the adam’s apple was enough to stop an aggressive bar patron’s advance long enough to grab him by collar and belt and take him out the door...and I was hauling them out every night.

These incidents with dogs and people sound like a vast number of LEO’s are untrained, unsure of themselves, unable to think under pressure, and are relying on aggressive bluster, numbers, steroids, and finally bullets to overcome their inadequacies.

IMO the dog holocaust is easy to explain. Dogs smell fear. A fearful, insecure officer who’s using loud bluster to cover it, is going to set off an alarm bell with any house dog worth his salt. The fearful officer thinks stepping back, stepping aside, asking the owner to control the dog, or even waiting for one minute, is the act of a pussy. So let’s let Officer Berretta do the thinking.

There are other officers, many with military backgrounds, and they are is easy to spot because their brain is fully engaged. The next time you see a group of officers on a scene, look for yourself and see which one is the anchor to steady the college students...you’ll be able to tell pretty easily. Sometimes these “anchors” already have their hands full with one problem officer, who they can’t get rid of, or won’t get rid of. I had a neighbor and hunting buddy who was in the highway patrol, and one of his coworkers was nicknamed “Psycho”. Save that story for another day, but needless to say, they spent a considerable fraction of their time trying to keep him from making the papers.

I’m an expert on nothing, just giving my view from the cheap seats.


38 posted on 09/23/2012 12:17:55 PM PDT by Tuanedge
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To: TigersEye
Apparently this isn't clear enough. Let's try again:

"trapped one of the officers with his wheelchair...attempted to stab the officer with an object..."

It wasn't the trapped officer who shot, it was their partner, who had apparently just entered the room to find their partner trapped in a corner by the guy in the wheelchair, who had something in his hand, and was acting as though he intended to stab the other officer with it. He acted to prevent his partner from getting stabbed (or so he thought). Yes the outcome sucks, but the options for preventing a stabbing when the assailant has closed to within reach of their intended victim are limited, to say the least.

How many of you have heard of the 21 ft rule?

39 posted on 09/23/2012 12:56:42 PM PDT by Edward Teach
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Trapped?
Gimme a break.
The guy had ONE arm and ONE leg.
You put your foot on the chair and give it a good shove.

You sure are sounding rather agitated over this in defense of a bad shooting.


40 posted on 09/23/2012 1:05:43 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Edward Teach
I'm trying not crack a rib laughing at the image of a cop trapped in a corner by a double amputee in a wheel chair (how did the cop get in that position?) and a cop behind that wheel chair thinking he had better shoot instead of grabbing that guy's one arm.

How many of you have heard of the 21 ft rule?

I have heard of it. Does that apply to one-armed guys in wheel chairs? Did he have a Tim Allen supercharged chair? ROTFLMAO

41 posted on 09/23/2012 1:10:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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Maybe he had a dangerous all terrain Segway and was in danger of pushing the cop off a cliff with it.
42 posted on 09/23/2012 1:14:52 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare
They were kung fu fighting

In fact it was a little bit frightening.

43 posted on 09/23/2012 1:25:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

LOL!


44 posted on 09/23/2012 1:26:41 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare
"You sure are sounding rather agitated over this in defense of a bad shooting"

You're kidding right?
I'm not agitated at all. In fact I see more agitation from those of you who are rushing to condemn this shooting based solely on sketchy reports put out by the news media. Me, I can see both sides.

45 posted on 09/23/2012 1:29:07 PM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: TigersEye
"I have heard of it. Does that apply to one-armed guys in wheel chairs?"

If I'm within "inches to a foot" of you (as per reports), I bet I can connect with whatever is in my hand faster than you can push me away, wheelchair or no.

46 posted on 09/23/2012 1:32:07 PM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: Edward Teach
Me, I can see both sides.

Speaking of seeing both sides that brings up a question I have. Cop 1 is in a corner. Guy in wheelchair has him backed into it. Cop 2 must have been behind wheelchair. Can someone help me with the geometry of the line of fire here? LOL

47 posted on 09/23/2012 1:33:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Edward Teach

Now you’re saying that the ‘21 ft. rule’ was a non-sequitur with no relevance to this situation!?! I take it you only threw that in as a deflection from any sober analysis of the situation then.


48 posted on 09/23/2012 1:36:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Edward Teach

Nope.
Not kidding.
Post 29 and post 39 are both in defense of an obviously bad shooting.

If the cop couldn’t defend themself from a guy in a wheelchair who had only ONE arm and ONE leg (That’s 1 as in singular you know, right?) then why are they a cop anyway?
And you are trying to justify it with “Oh, they were trapped.”
Seriously, give me a break.


49 posted on 09/23/2012 1:36:58 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: TigersEye; Edward Teach

Probably.
All the cop had to do was grab the (single, one, 1) leg and pull it upwards, tip the guy over, and his (single, one, 1) arm waving would have been done.
One legged man at an arse kicking contest anyone?
And they have batons still, right?
A huge Maglite?
This could have been over in so many other ways, quickly and without death.

But hey, those assault wheelchairs are just so dangerous and need to be banned.


50 posted on 09/23/2012 1:41:48 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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