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Dangerous and deepening divide between Islamic world, West
Yahoo News ^ | 9/23/2012 | Yahoo News

Posted on 09/23/2012 12:22:25 PM PDT by Dallas59



WASHINGTON (Reuters)- For those who believe in a clash of civilizations between the Islamic world and Western democracy, the last few weeks must seem like final confirmation of their theory.

Even those who reject the term as loaded and simplistic speak sadly of a perhaps catastrophic failure of understanding between Americans in particular and many Muslims.

The outrage and violence over a crude film ridiculing the Prophet Mohammad points to a chasm between Western free speech and individualism and the sensitivities of some Muslims over what they see as a campaign of humiliation.

There seems no shortage of forces on both sides to fan the flames. The tumult over the video had not even subsided when a French magazine this week printed a new cartoon showing the prophet naked.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: democracy; feedom; globaljihad; husseinobama; islam; muslimworld; obamalegacy

1 posted on 09/23/2012 12:22:32 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

Don’t worry, Baraq Hussein is working hard to bridge the divide..


2 posted on 09/23/2012 12:24:58 PM PDT by cardinal4 (RageBoy for DNC Chair!)
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To: cardinal4

With our tax dollars! Yay!


3 posted on 09/23/2012 12:25:55 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: Dallas59

4 posted on 09/23/2012 12:26:02 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Dallas59
Hmmm! Am I just getting forgetful in my old age? The reason I ask is that I can't seem to recall very many civilized countries launching jihads against Islamic countries recently.
5 posted on 09/23/2012 12:26:56 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Standing Wolf

The time is coming.....soon.


6 posted on 09/23/2012 12:29:32 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: Dallas59; cardinal4

It should be dangerous to them, not us. But Bambi’s got it backwards.


7 posted on 09/23/2012 12:30:46 PM PDT by livius
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To: Dallas59

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8 posted on 09/23/2012 12:31:40 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Dallas59

When in history has it been a good thing to have a group like the religion of pieces in charge?


9 posted on 09/23/2012 12:33:25 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eatl my dog!)
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To: Dallas59

Ann Barnhardt wrote a great piece on this on 9/17/12 ARREST PETER JACKSON & VIGGO MORTENSEN NOW! on her blog http://barnhardt.biz/

I urge all to read it!

The Untied States alone have been at war with these people for over two hundred years:

The U.S. Ambassador to France, Thomas Jefferson, complained that paying ransom to Hassan would only encourage more attacks. The U.S. Congress chose bribery. The U.S. paid Algiers its ransom and as much as $1 million each year for the next fifteen years, to the year 1800 — something like 20 percent of government revenues, Federal revenues in 1800 adding up to a little more than 10 million dollars.

In France, Jefferson asked Tripoli’s ambassador what right Tripoli had to extort money and take slaves. According to Jefferson, the ambassador answered that such a right was founded on the Laws of the Prophet: that it was written in the Koran that all nations who did not recognize their authority were sinners; that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found; and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners; and that every Muslim slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.

A time is coming soon and we lovers of freedom will have to choose!

“I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of woes and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!”


10 posted on 09/23/2012 12:34:59 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Dallas59

Islam. The ultimate “War on Women”....

Islam. Miss Fluke will long for the days of whining about her free bc.

Islam. Where even the atheists will have to bend the knee..

Islam. The tree huggers, the save the spotted owl folk will have (pun intended) bigger fish to fry.

....need I go on?


11 posted on 09/23/2012 12:35:43 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it......because it DOES!)
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To: Dallas59

The *original* Evil Empire.


12 posted on 09/23/2012 12:36:35 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Dallas59

Looks like Kinkos has been working overtime.


13 posted on 09/23/2012 12:37:34 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: Kartographer
In France, Jefferson asked Tripoli’s ambassador what right Tripoli had to extort money and take slaves. According to Jefferson, the ambassador answered that such a right was founded on the Laws of the Prophet: that it was written in the Koran that all nations who did not recognize their authority were sinners; that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found; and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners; and that every Muslim slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.

Do you have an authentic link to this? It seems absurd that Jefferson would have said this, considering that he owned slaves, personally.

14 posted on 09/23/2012 12:41:18 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Dallas59
There never has been danger in deepening the divide between Islam and the west, the danger has always been not recognising just how deep the divide is.
15 posted on 09/23/2012 12:45:34 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Dallas59

Thanks to mudslimes, the “Planet of the Apes” movies will be thought of as a documentary of the planet earth.

Their inbreeding and insane hate cult keeps the majority of them at the functioning retard level.


16 posted on 09/23/2012 12:47:32 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: James C. Bennett

http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h27b-pirx.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

http://www.reformation.org/islam-versus-us.html

The halls of Tripoli isn’t in The Marine Corps anthem for nothing.


17 posted on 09/23/2012 12:47:59 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Dallas59

Sheesh, the divide has been there ever since islam was created 13 centuries ago.

The West, with the exception of a few centuries, has had this great ability to stick its head deep in the sand.

What is the logic of contributing to a political party, dem or pub, when neither is willing nor able to recognize the relentless spread of islam in the country? When sharia law is established, there won’t be any political party left.

Don’t these numbnut congresscritters realize it? Or is it perhaps that they don’t care?


18 posted on 09/23/2012 12:48:40 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: James C. Bennett

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=+Jefferson+asked+Tripoli%E2%80%99s+ambassador+&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C32


19 posted on 09/23/2012 12:51:13 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Dallas59

There is no “failure of understanding.”
We know exactly what they are and what they’re up to.


20 posted on 09/23/2012 12:53:07 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: All

Thomas Jefferson: The Pirate War: To The Shores Of Tripoli

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,994562,00.html#ixzz27KAkngKy


21 posted on 09/23/2012 12:53:57 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Dallas59

You just know this is going to conveniently explode sometime before the election. This mess is positively chock full of suspicious false-flag-type events sprinkled all over the ME. Seems to me that desperate attempts are being made to ignite it.


22 posted on 09/23/2012 1:17:32 PM PDT by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: Dallas59

Islam is an assault on reason, reality, objectivity, nature of man as a rational being, life proper to a rational being, modern civilization, and natural rights. Anything as evil, as savage, and as barbaric as Islam has not earned and does not deserve respect, acceptance, toleration, equality, freedom, moral equivalency, non-discrimination, or appeasement by America, the West, other rational civilized nations, or any other religion.


23 posted on 09/23/2012 1:27:21 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Dallas59

Does this mean we’re just now finally getting real with Islam?


24 posted on 09/23/2012 2:20:09 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: 353FMG
Sheesh, the divide has been there ever since islam was created 13 centuries ago.

Correct. Muslims have invaded (or attempted to invade) Europe many times. They still have majorities or pluralities in some European countries (e.g., Albania and Bosnia).

25 posted on 09/23/2012 2:23:57 PM PDT by matt1234 (As Obama sowed in the Arab Spring, so he is reaping in the Arab Fall.)
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To: James C. Bennett
Jefferson was speaking as a government official to another government official. His personal economy was irrelevant. The US Government he was representing btw never took slaves as Tripoli was doing/
26 posted on 09/23/2012 2:54:09 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Dallas59
"Dangerous and deepening divide between Islamic world, West"

Hopefully an irreparable divide.


27 posted on 09/23/2012 3:28:57 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: James C. Bennett
In France, Jefferson asked Tripoli’s ambassador what right Tripoli had to extort money and take slaves. According to Jefferson, the ambassador answered that such a right was founded on the Laws of the Prophet: that it was written in the Koran that

that all nations who did not recognize their authority were sinners;

And indeed He has revealed to you in the Book that when you hear Allah's communications disbelieved in and mocked at do not sit with them until they enter into some other discourse; surely then you would be like them; surely Allah will gather together the hypocrites and the unbelievers all in hell. (Koran [4.140])

that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found;

And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. (Koran [2.191])

and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners;

So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. (Koran [47.4])

and that every Muslim slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.

They ask you concerning the sacred month about fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is a grave matter, and hindering (men) from Allah's way and denying Him, and (hindering men from) the Sacred Mosque and turning its people out of it, are still graver with Allah, and persecution is graver than slaughter; and they will not cease fighting with you until they turn you back from your religion, if they can; and whoever of you turns back from his religion, then he dies while an unbeliever-- these it is whose works shall go for nothing in this world and the hereafter, and they are the inmates of the fire; therein they shall abide. (Koran [2.217])


28 posted on 09/23/2012 3:29:47 PM PDT by matt1234 (As Obama sowed in the Arab Spring, so he is reaping in the Arab Fall.)
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To: Dallas59
mo_and_devil2

29 posted on 09/23/2012 3:48:10 PM PDT by neveralib
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To: Dallas59

CBS/UPURS Pool photo:

At an Ohio campaign stop, Obama tells reporters and supporters America should reform immigration standards so more from Muslim countries can immigrate into the U.S., suggesting they can offer valuable contributions.

30 posted on 09/23/2012 4:45:45 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Dallas59

Here is one of the best brief histories of Islam from Gates of Vienna. Must reading.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/why-we-are-afraid-1400-year-secret.html


31 posted on 09/23/2012 8:27:48 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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