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Deadly Attack in Libya Was Major Blow to C.I.A. Efforts
The New York Times ^ | September 23, 2012 | ERIC SCHMITT, HELENE COOPER and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT.

Posted on 09/23/2012 9:23:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

WASHINGTON — The attack in Benghazi, Libya, that killed Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans has dealt the Central Intelligence Agency a major setback in its intelligence-gathering efforts at a time of increasing instability in the North African nation.

Among the more than two dozen American personnel evacuated from the city after the assault on the American mission and a nearby annex were about a dozen C.I.A. operatives and contractors, who played a crucial role in conducting surveillance and collecting information on an array of armed militant groups in and around the city.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benghazi; cia; libya

1 posted on 09/23/2012 9:23:22 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: All

H/T to Drudge.


2 posted on 09/23/2012 9:24:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
CIA

Obama had three days Notice

3 posted on 09/23/2012 9:33:10 PM PDT by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So it’s the CIA ‘s fault now? Normally, I wouldn’t make that assumption of passing blame if the source wasn’t the NYT.


4 posted on 09/23/2012 9:34:55 PM PDT by virgil
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To: virgil
I am not sure what conclusions the Times wants us to make.

Guess that could be it.

Guess the CIA figured the Manpads would show up there or be talked about which they could intercept the talking.

5 posted on 09/23/2012 9:46:55 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: scooby321
Obama had three days Notice

Congress was warned about Libya last month

Libyan president: 'No doubt' attack 'preplanned' (Magariaf on Face the Nation)

"It was planned, definitely. It was planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago. And they were planning this criminal act since their arrival," Magariaf said.

Source: Slain ambassador Stevens said he was on al Qaeda list

WASHINGTON - In the months leading up to his death, Chris Stevens, the U.S. ambassador to Libya, worried about constant security threats in Benghazi and mentioned that his name was on an al Qaeda hit list, a source familiar with his thinking told CNN.


6 posted on 09/23/2012 10:02:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Marine_Uncle; TigersEye; SunkenCiv; blam; NormsRevenge; Nachum

fyi


7 posted on 09/23/2012 10:04:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: All; SJackson; Fred Nerks
OK,...so we already had a large number of CIA operatives in there and doing signal intel....so if we added decent security to the consultante it would be even more obvious that we had a large investment in intel operations there.....

SO WHY DID WE SEND THE AMBASSADOR TO VISIT ON SUCH A DELICATE DATE.

Only answer I have is that he was going for a Prize ....of some kind....

But as I told my Son ....he was likely lured there by the enormity of that prize.

8 posted on 09/23/2012 10:11:14 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: TigersEye

See #8.


9 posted on 09/23/2012 10:12:22 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Rather interesting developments to the narrative as who should, beyond the usurper and hildabeast be put on trial for dereliction of duty.

10 posted on 09/23/2012 10:18:19 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Interesting - placemark for reading tomorrow.


11 posted on 09/23/2012 10:18:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

That is an excellent hypothesis. More likely than my rank suspicions I’m sure. I just can’t shake the feeling that he was set up. I have nothing to support the ‘why’ of that.


12 posted on 09/23/2012 10:21:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“A version of this article appeared in print on September 24, 2012, on page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: ATTACK IN LIBYA WAS MAJOR BLOW TO C.I.A. EFFORTS.”

Not good for Barry, Rice or Hillary and all of the other liars.


13 posted on 09/23/2012 10:29:36 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: TigersEye; Marine_Uncle
Remember the hit the CIA took in Afghanistan.....

Same deal.....only fewer folks there for the great prize...in Libya.

14 posted on 09/23/2012 10:30:19 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Marine_Uncle; TigersEye; little jeremiah
This article,....tells you that we knew that the place was dangerous and that there likely were alqueda related groups there.....and we didn't want to fortify the consulate..

We were trying to keep a low profile.....

SO WHY DID THE AMBASSADOR GO THERE....FOR WHAT?

NATIONAL SECURITY PROBABLY DICTATES THAT THE QUESTION WON'T GET ANSWERED.

15 posted on 09/23/2012 10:36:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

IMHO...

He was an unwitting sacrifice. Reports that he was homosexual made the recruitment for and ferocity of the attacks easy to generate. The video was all set up by nwo leftists not traceable to the WH. The attack planning, as well as planning for the dozens of follow-on attacks, was all done by jihadists who communicate with the nwo leftists. This was a false flag operation.

It should be a warning to homosexuals that the Statist/Leftist/NWO “real powers” tolerate them now while they assist in the decline of American hegemony. If leftists succeed in actually transforming American into their vision - homosexuals can expect the same treatment they receive under all hard-line communist or statist nations (those like Communist China, the USSR, North Korea, Nazi Germany, etc.). Leftists and Statists consider everyone only useful tools for their political takeovers.


16 posted on 09/23/2012 10:51:48 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: All

Shutting down here....be back tomorrow.


17 posted on 09/23/2012 11:08:05 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is very huge. I’ve been reading obsessively about it since day 1 and I still don’t know anything, really. All I have are questions, here are some.

“Sensitiive documents” were stolen. What were they?

Why did all the CIA assets make it out alive and Stevens didn’t?

Why was here there instead of in Tripoli?

Why was the “security” at the consulate connected to the Muslim Brotherhood?

Why was Stevens 100% unprotected?

Why did he appear to be targeted?

Why did the State Department not warn the diplomats in Libya even though they had 48 hours warning?

Why did the administration lie and say it was a “movie protest” that got out of hand?

What is the movie connection - who really made it, who dubbed it, and why are Hitlery and 0bastard beating it like a drum?

Why did Hitlery and 0 sleep through the night and not attend to this?

Was Stevens a Sufi Muslim?


18 posted on 09/23/2012 11:09:00 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Oh, and was that journal really his? Only seven pages of writing in it, supposedly, and handwritten. What else did it say? Why did it not burn up or get stolen, if it was really his?


19 posted on 09/23/2012 11:09:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ah yes a key man. The graveyards are full of key men.


20 posted on 09/23/2012 11:48:30 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’m thinking if I think the worst I can possibly imagine I still wouldn’t be close.
And the worst I can imagine isn’t printable anyway.


21 posted on 09/24/2012 12:28:12 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Film's Fault
CIA's Fault
Obama & Hillary's Fault!
They had three day's warning.
Obama went to bed when the attack started after being informed of the situation - DID NOT go to the situation room.
Obama and Hillary sent the ambassador there without a marine contingent and with unarmed 'guards'.
22 posted on 09/24/2012 1:25:46 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

And the one in Afghanistan was a meet and greet to give the asset a birthday party.


23 posted on 09/24/2012 1:51:57 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: little jeremiah
Why was the “security” at the consulate connected to the Muslim Brotherhood?

Had something to do with a British firm called "Blue Mountain."

Of course, its initials are BM which flipped backwards...

24 posted on 09/24/2012 1:57:50 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

what CIA?


25 posted on 09/24/2012 2:09:32 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: virgil

Odd. I distinctly remember reading an interview with someone in the intelligence community shortly after the attacks who said that the CIA was actually pulled out of the “Arab Spring” countries a few months ago at the orders of the State Dept., which didn’t want the new governments to think we didn’t trust them. Much of the intelligence work, as a result, came from other sources (such as the military intelligence corps) or from foreign intelligence services that were still operating there.

I don’t know which version is true. Who knows what’s true about anything anymore, for that matter.


26 posted on 09/24/2012 2:25:55 AM PDT by livius
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

His visit there had been per-arranged. He went to Benghazi to finalize discussions on an aid program and to dedicate a new cultural center, of all things. Obviously, he was set up by the Islamists.


27 posted on 09/24/2012 2:28:54 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

Pre-arranged. Autocorrect gone wild...


28 posted on 09/24/2012 2:30:03 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

CIA should be renamed to be CMA (Cover My Ass)


29 posted on 09/24/2012 3:09:53 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: PieterCasparzen

Whether or not Stevens was gay, it’s not likely that the Islamists knew anything about it. He was killed because he was an American, and the ferocity of the attacks was because of that fact alone: he represented the West.

Incidentally, it has emerged that Stevens himself was a Muslim convert. He was a Sufi, which is regarded as a heretical sect by “orthodox” Muslims, but it’s not likely that the attackers knew this, either. In any case, Sufism is very opposed to homosexuality, so even if he had been considered gay at some point, he wouldn’t have been an active homosexual anymore and hence there’s no way al Qaeda could known about it.

He was killed out of hatred for the United States and the West, and also, as in the case of the Egyptian attacks, to show our powerlessness and the fact that we are now afraid of them and they can attack with no concern for retribution from us.


30 posted on 09/24/2012 3:24:37 AM PDT by livius
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

WHY WAS OUR AMB. IN BENGHAZI AND NOT IN THE EMBASSY ON 9-11?????? WHO sent him to the outpost, and WHY????


31 posted on 09/24/2012 3:29:46 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: livius

I think it goes deeper than that. just a feeling.


32 posted on 09/24/2012 3:33:24 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hey,Gen.Petraeus,how do you like working for the Obama team?


33 posted on 09/24/2012 4:34:36 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

...just setting the table for President Romney.

Also, I specifically remember our intelligence assets getting hammered when Carter handed Iran over to the Imams.


34 posted on 09/24/2012 4:42:16 AM PDT by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: Bon mots

-—Obama & Hillary’s Fault!-—

Perhaps you have it slightly wrong. There is another take.

First the question must be answered....... did Obama set it up to blame Hillary?

or......

Did Hillary set it up to blame Obama?

In the chess game, either could sacrifice the Stevens pawn to put the King in check


35 posted on 09/24/2012 4:51:26 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: piasa

This:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/22/Security-Forces-At-Consulate-In-Benghazi-Had-Ties-to-Muslim-Brotherhood

Nothing to do with initials.

Reports indicate the Obama administration indirectly relied on the Muslim Brotherhood for security in Benghazi.

Intelligence communities are focused on the February 17 Brigade. This is a Libyan militia led by Fawzi Bukatef, who has known ties to both the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist fighters. The February 17 Brigade “had been charged with local security to the consulate” in Benghazi.

During the attacks that took Ambassador Stevens’ life, Bukatef claims the Obama administration took no action. Rather, the response to the violence was handled solely by the chain of command within the February 17 Brigade. “We had to coordinate everything,” said Bukatef.

From a practical standpoint, this is not only problematic because of Bukatef’s ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, but also because one of his commanders, Ismail al-Salabi, is an Islamist military leader in his own right.

Because of these contrary interests, there are even reports that part of the February 17 Brigade stood down as the Islamist attackers stormed the U.S. consulate. This squares perfectly with Libyan Interior Minister Wanis al-Sharif’s early claims that Libyan security forces essentially handed the US consulate personnel over to the attackers.


36 posted on 09/24/2012 10:24:20 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: livius

Someone sent me a link to a video about Stevens converting to Sufism but I can’t find it. Do you have some source/link?


37 posted on 09/24/2012 10:26:02 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Ann Archy

From everything I’ve read (and I’ve read about this obsessively), I am sure it goes much deeper. Just the fact that the bogus movie was trotted out and beaten like a drum, all the lies told by the administration, the mystery of why he left Tripoli and went to Benghazi with apparently no security whatsoever, the fact that they had received no warnings of the attacks although warnings were given to the US gov, etc etc etc.


38 posted on 09/24/2012 10:28:14 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: PieterCasparzen

What two leftists made the movie? I figured it had to be made by leftists and the amdinistration’s lies about it made the connection obvious, along with all the other bogusness.


39 posted on 09/24/2012 10:31:05 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah; mojito

Mojito posted it the other day - at post #43.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2934808/posts?page=46#46


40 posted on 09/24/2012 10:52:06 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

Thank you - I knew I could find it if I looked but I’m crazy busy right now. I have to listen to that.


41 posted on 09/24/2012 1:00:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Ernest. That should please all the Lew Rockwell / Ron Paul fans.


42 posted on 09/24/2012 5:50:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: little jeremiah
What two leftists made the movie? I figured it had to be made by leftists and the amdinistration’s lies about it made the connection obvious, along with all the other bogusness.

nwo meaing new world order, not a typo of two. I figured exactly the same as you did.

The facts are too hazy. Oh, and the little fact that there are hundreds of thousands of anti-islam videos on youtube going back over a decade. Just like there are tons of pro-islam videos on youtube.

The admin thinks more people believe their propaganda machine than actually do, IMHO.

One has to also remember that there are many younger muslims in the mideast who buy into the New Left/new world order intelligentsia-promoted idea that religion is like which sports team you like and that everyone will "get along" when they get suburbanized enough. These people can have a lot of interaction with the State department to make things look like peace with muslim countries is just around the corner.

IMHO, Hitlery's State department basically put people into Libya with big targets on their backs. I'm guessing that the evil wacko intelligentsia in the New Left who actually make the plans that the administration is tasked with got the message through to Hitlery confirming that the intelligence they had - a 9/11 attack on many embassies - was real, then they just would have to add a simple message that a youtube video would be the fake reason. That's a pretty short message, would not take much to transmit verbally through some subordinate's (hundreds of possibles, people like Huma) connections over lunch. The State Dept could then get most people out beforehand, so there were not thousands of Americans killed, leaving a few "heros" there to take the hit and feed the bloodthirsty mobs. The New Left's "Make America Impotent" program scores a win, and the administration has it's hands clean and the propaganda machine to feed Democrats the Kool-Aid. This could explain why Susan Rice was the one to come out with the story; Hitlery could pass her the talking points ahead of time through normal channels without raising the eyebrows that would be raised by giving them to the WH / Jay Carney. The WH does not want to know any details ahead of time, but Rice would have been ready to speak to the media as soon as the story broke. Before it really starts being pinned completely on the administration, she can call a press conference and put out here well-prepared video story. Rinse, repeat for 1 week, and most rubes in America will say "those people shouldn't have made that movie, that's what caused the attacks" and the news cycle is over for that one.

Nobama would not have to know or care anything about this beforehand. Hitlery could just "report" the talking points to him after it started. That's why Nobama smiles - his hands are kept perfectly clean by everyone around him. His role is just to foul up the Executive Branch as much as possible and restrain America from taking action against enemies.

I'm just guessing all this, of course.
43 posted on 09/24/2012 6:16:16 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Thank you for your explanation. My eyes aren’t as good as they used to be and I read “nwo” as “two”.

I wonder if the supposed Egyptian Copt even had anything to do with the movie. I assume pressure was put on him one way or another. If there were enough real investigative journalists in the US, someone would be delving into this.


44 posted on 09/24/2012 8:54:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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