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Mile High Idea: Smoke Dope, Build Schools
Townhall.com ^ | September 24, 2012 | John Ransom

Posted on 09/24/2012 4:49:08 AM PDT by Kaslin

I hate to start something here with a trite phrase. But sometimes you read about things that make you wonder what some people are smoking.

In Colorado this year a cabal of known associates is getting together to try to legalize the sale, cultivation and possession of marijuana under what’s known as Amendment 64.

Their pitch says that by state regulation and control of dope deals, the consequent revenue collected can benefit K-12 education in the state, now under tight budget constraints.

Yeah, you heard that right: Make pot legal and build schools with the first $40 million in proceeds.

The Colorado Education Association, Democrat Governor John Hickenlooper and any other liberal who doesn’t want to commit political suicide has registered their token opposition to the amendment.

Some of their allies haven’t been that smart.

A score of Democrat parties, including the Colorado Democrat Party, county Democrats in Denver, Boulder, Pueblo, El Paso and Douglas counties- some of the largest populations in the state- have endorsed the measure. They are joined by their allies at the ACLU, ProgressNow, the NAACP and of course, my favorite: Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies.

Because when you are really trying to improve student outcomes, the first place you want to stop is the Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies.  

While the adults have offered thoughtful ideas on education reform like improved curricula, longer school days, more education choices, vouchers and options like STEM schools, Lefties go back to their roots: dope.

The pro-pot side says that by legalizing and regulating marijuana teen use will actually go down. That sounds like one of those arguments someone comes up when they are used to waking and baking every day.

“According to the latest report from the federal government, marijuana use by Colorado high school students has dropped since our state and its localities began regulating medical marijuana in 2009,” says the Campaign to Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol. “This bucks the national trend of increasing teen marijuana use over the past several years. Nationwide, past-30-day marijuana use among high school students climbed from 20.8 percent in 2009, to 23.1 percent in 2011. Meanwhile, in Colorado, it dropped from 24.8 percent to 22 percent.”

Yeah, but before you break out the bongs to celebrate, two years isn’t really long enough for all the unintended consequences of bad policy to manifest themselves. I mean even as housing was collapsing in the country, the people who designed the house of cards where cutting a new deck.

Most worrying is that media reports have indicated that this amendment to the Colorado constitution could pass.

From the Denver Post:

A new poll shows Amendment 64, the Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act, with majority support among likely voters – the first time that’s happened in the campaign. Opponents of the measure are responding by blasting the initiative from every angle, while a proponent stresses that no vote will be taken for granted.

The poll, conducted by the Denver Post, found that 51 percent of likely voters surveyed support Amendment 64, while 40 percent oppose it. Here’s a graphic displaying the breakdown:

amendment 64 denver post poll graphic.jpg


The forces opposing the amendment however point out that there is a big difference between asking voters to decriminalize marijuana possession and asking voters to legalize it and socialize it.

More worrying is the long-term implications of trying recreational drug use to education funding. To say the least, this seems like a really bad idea.

Pot has been linked to the development of schizophrenia and other mental illnesses. While the literature is not conclusive, there is enough evidence to take the link seriously.

“Repeatedly, studies have found that people with schizophrenia are about twice as likely to smoke pot as those who are unaffected,” writes Time. “Conversely, data suggest that those who smoke cannabis are twice as likely to develop schizophrenia as nonsmokers. One widely publicized 2007 review of the research even concluded that trying marijuana just once was associated with a 40% increase in risk of schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders.”

And then there is the moral question: Do we really want the government in the drug business? Isn’t this the same government that sued the tobacco companies?

So we are for drugs when they help education bureaucracy, but against them when they result in private profits that can be taxed.

This seems like the logical extension of liberal policies in other areas too.

But in this case, at least we know what they are smoking.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: cannabis; drugs; drugwar; marijuana; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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1 posted on 09/24/2012 4:49:10 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Legalize the sale of medical meth to ensue?.


2 posted on 09/24/2012 4:59:21 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Kaslin

Something that should be considered - if marijuana *is* legalized, most liberals would end up stoned in their parents’ basements when not forced to work and they wouldn’t be bothered to vote.

Something to think about.


3 posted on 09/24/2012 5:02:27 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Kaslin

Doesn’t Colorado have a state lottery with which to build schools? That’s a joke folks. Every state that has a state lottery, justified it by saying the proceeds would “go to education”, yet another joke.

Lotteries are a tax on poor people and the mathematically challenged.


4 posted on 09/24/2012 5:04:44 AM PDT by Holly_P
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To: Kaslin
Instead of governments (federal, state, and local) looking for ways to pull even more money out of us, how about they quit wasting the already significant amounts of money they are getting?

Don't accuse me of being against education, I have three college degrees and I'm currently in a continuing education class. That kind of personal attack is what liberals use to deflect the debate away from the real issue. There are certain things we look to our governments to do, and many many things we wish they would stay the !&_+<@ out of. They cannot tell me some worthy activity is on the chopping block unless I surrender more of my money, freedoms, etc. Not while they continue to squander our resources. Every time they try to sell that line of BS it is time to make a change, put in people with better judgment and priorities.

5 posted on 09/24/2012 5:08:53 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Holly_P

Here in PA the lottery money allegedly goes to senior citizens.


6 posted on 09/24/2012 5:09:23 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: All

So, as a society we want to build the cornerstones of our civic life on sin taxes.. Gambling and pot.. Why not just give vouchers?


7 posted on 09/24/2012 5:11:25 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: Vaduz

Comparing meth to a weed is like comparing gun ownership to armed robbery or murder.


8 posted on 09/24/2012 5:13:17 AM PDT by soycd
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To: soycd

Are you a dealer or user?.


9 posted on 09/24/2012 5:20:09 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Kaslin

So what will prevent people from growing their own to (1) avoid the tax and (2) avoid having to go out and purchase it in the first place?

Besides, it’s a dumb idea to give the gov’t an additional source of revenue.


10 posted on 09/24/2012 5:21:17 AM PDT by paint_your_wagon
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To: Kaslin
Make pot legal and build schools with the first $40 million in proceeds.

Well that's the claim but despite all the taxes I pay now, the schools still say they need more money. Tomorrow morning I get to go vote against giving the local school more money for the "needed" practice gymnasium.
11 posted on 09/24/2012 5:24:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Vaduz
Methamphetamine is a schedule II drug and has been legally prescribed for decades under the brand name Desoxyn.

The same thing with the countless synthetic versions of heroin. Some can be crushed, dissolved and injected identically to street heroin. Synthetic opiods alone addict and kill more people than every illegal drug COMBINED.

Many ADHD drugs also act nearly identically to cocaine and are commonly snorted to get high. They are also equally as addictive.

Yet a natural plant without any physical addiction and without a single recorded case of physical harm is a schedule I drug that cannot be prescribed in most states for any reason. Yes, there are synthetic pill versions of it but it has been shown that synthetic THC acts differently from that found in the plant (read the research by Dr. Shulgin on synthetic THC). Also, the patients that need it most cannot swallow a pill without vomiting.

One does not need to smoke cannabis. It can be made into natural measured capsules using only kitchen equipment. It can also be vaporized with a smoke-free inhaler barely larger than a lighter.

If you want to see some junkies, stop by a small pharmacy or a “pain clinic” just before opening time. You will see ghost white, shaking people waiting for the doors to open in ANY weather. Sometimes the owner tells them to not stand directly in front so you may see them down the block.I know several people that own and run pharmacies.

There are also many that get their Rx dope delivered, never leave the house and have every single thing paid for by Mr. Taxpayer. The guys hanging out at pot shops in the afternoon listening to Bob Marley will never even come close to that level of addiction.

12 posted on 09/24/2012 5:29:56 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Spktyr
"if marijuana *is* legalized, most liberals would end up stoned in their parents’ basements when not forced to work and they wouldn’t be bothered to vote."

Beer is legal. Do most beer drinkers end up drunk in their parents' basement when not working and refuse to vote?

13 posted on 09/24/2012 5:32:44 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Kaslin

Obama will not allow legalized marijuana. His feds have been cracking down on it.


14 posted on 09/24/2012 5:42:23 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: circlecity

No, but I have observed what’s happened in CA post medical marijuana. Lib turnout is slightly but measurably down.


15 posted on 09/24/2012 5:50:06 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

It also went down after prohibition ended.


16 posted on 09/24/2012 5:55:08 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Vaduz; soycd
“Are you a dealer or user?”

You clearly don't know anything about the trade or are a dealer yourself. IF he was a dealer/grower he would never be publically supporting legalization.

Dealers love the WOD because they can sell a plant that grows as easily as basil and then sell it for its weight in $20 bills. Some drugs are worth more than their weight in gold. Money grows on trees for them.

The really good dealers work with Law Enforcement, give them a piece of the action and NEVER get caught. The cops then quietly bust competitors for them without making the messes you see in Mexico. The WOD is all a money making game for the connected.

So are YOU a dealer, grower, dirty law enforcement, naive law enforcement or just plain uninformed?

17 posted on 09/24/2012 5:56:18 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: Holly_P

They used the same argument to legalize gambling in the mountain towns: part of the proceeds would go to fund ‘education’.


18 posted on 09/24/2012 6:22:55 AM PDT by STYRO (Do not accept unconstitutional government as legitimate government.)
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To: Vaduz

Legalize the sale of medical meth to ensue?.
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We have “medical” heroin (Bayer product)and dozens if not hundreds of associated painkiller products.

We have many forms of “medical” cocaine (lidocaine etc.)

Meth-amphetamine? We’ve had amphetamines for at least 80 years , Hitler was a speed freak... Your mother likely took speed in the 1950’s and 1960’s as it was the most prescribed “diet” pill ... We give kids versions of speed for ADHD a largely imaginary affliction.

I would like to see MJ decriminalized , it would starve the gangs and the government of funds... and allow people to use it in less harmful (less efficient) ways that don’t cause lung damage such as baking or using inhalers.


19 posted on 09/24/2012 6:55:29 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Vaduz

Next they want to abolish the age of consent


20 posted on 09/24/2012 6:56:39 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Vaduz

Are you a dealer or user?.
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I use only caffeine , you sound like a small minded “war oon drugs” type. What arm of LAWR Enfarcement do you belong to? Being a conservative means looking at FACTS and drawing logical conclusions. You should try it sometime.


21 posted on 09/24/2012 7:00:54 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Kaslin

And what stops the government from stealing the school money from the pot tax?


22 posted on 09/24/2012 7:25:55 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: Holly_P

Lottery money in Colorado goes to outdoor projects. Orginigally it went to outdoor projects, secondary education and prisons. Years ago an environmentalist group put an issue on the ballot that restricted use to outdoor stuff and it passed. So now we have gold plated bike paths but the public universities in the state are scraping for every penny. And before you say that education has plenty of money, that’s not true with higher ed in CO. K-12 has enjoyed a run of increases (thanks to another ballot issue) but our higher ed institutions are almost at the point of not being public any more.


23 posted on 09/24/2012 7:50:16 AM PDT by luv2ski
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To: bmwcyle
And what stops the government from stealing the school money from the pot tax?

I hope you wrote this as sarcasm.
What pot tax?

24 posted on 09/24/2012 7:54:08 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: newnhdad
So, as a society we want to build the cornerstones of our civic life on sin taxes.. Gambling and pot.. Why not just give vouchers?

No, this is not 'as a society'. It is the state of Colorado exercising its proper authority under the Tenth Amendment to make such decisions.

Do you support CO's authority to make the decision that is under discussion?

25 posted on 09/24/2012 9:00:39 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: AppyPappy
Obama will not allow legalized marijuana. His feds have been cracking down on it.

Suppose Amendment 64 passes. Which do you support - Obama and the feds, or CO and the Tenth Amendment?

26 posted on 09/24/2012 9:05:54 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

I don’t care what dopes in CO do to their state, my comment was that instead of finding new and more creative ways to prop-up failing schools by raising funds from gambling (lottery) and pot, give vouchers. And yes, it is a decision as a society to fund education with revenue from pot.


27 posted on 09/24/2012 9:42:43 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: Neidermeyer

“war on drugs”
Yes be very careful.


28 posted on 09/24/2012 9:47:28 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: GeronL

Indeed the younger the greater the sales.


29 posted on 09/24/2012 9:48:57 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: newnhdad
I don’t care what dopes in CO do to their state, my comment was that instead of finding new and more creative ways to prop-up failing schools by raising funds from gambling (lottery) and pot, give vouchers.

Fair enough. It sounds like your position is to honor the Tenth Amendment

And yes, it is a decision as a society to fund education with revenue from pot.

No it's not. It's a decision by the state of CO under the CO Constitution and the Tenth Amendment.

30 posted on 09/24/2012 9:51:07 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Neidermeyer

“allow people to use it in less harmful (less efficient) ways”

I can’t think of one logical reason why one would use anything mind altering.


31 posted on 09/24/2012 9:53:15 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: varyouga

“Are you a dealer or user?”


32 posted on 09/24/2012 9:55:28 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: luv2ski
And before you say that education has plenty of money, that’s not true with higher ed in CO.

If they are low on money, it's because they've spread it around like it was fairy dust. Mesa state- now Colorado Mesa University- has built 10 new dorms that look more like high-dollar resort hotels, then jacked up student fees to pay for them.

Tuition used to be about $1500/semester now it's 3500 and goes up every year.They continuously build gold-plated parking garages, underground soccer fields, pools, new buildings, ice rinks and you name it, the construction never stops.

They don't give a crap about how much tuition goes up to fund it all, they just tell the kids to get student loans. They give $100,000 of dollars to local groups- $100,000 donation to a local ice rink group !!!!

They have forgotten their mission- to provide a low cost college education, and now think they are some sort of gift to the community- a community- where the average per capita income is $18,000.00.

Screw them and their whining.They've priced thousands of local young people, including my own kids, out of a college education chasing their delusions of granduer and I look forward to the day the college bubble collapses.

33 posted on 09/24/2012 10:24:46 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: Kaslin

It kind of makes sense - smoke an illegal drug and build little junior state prisons with the proceeds...


34 posted on 09/24/2012 10:52:05 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Ken H

Legislation is a reflection of the desires of society they represent. The people that elect those who pass laws constitute “society”.. but maybe after I take a few drags, I’ll come up with a better answer.


35 posted on 09/24/2012 11:14:16 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: Vaduz

I can’t think of one logical reason why one would use anything mind altering.
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You don’t listen to soothing music or have a glass of wine on occasion?


36 posted on 09/24/2012 11:23:08 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer

No don’t need it.


37 posted on 09/24/2012 11:28:16 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Ken H

The Feds will win, regardless of who I support.


38 posted on 09/24/2012 11:30:45 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Holly_P

I kinda like those kind of taxes, as long they can’t buy tickets with EBTs...


39 posted on 09/24/2012 11:38:12 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Red Boots

Go Mavericks!


40 posted on 09/24/2012 11:49:37 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Vaduz; soycd

“Are you a dealer or user?”

Neither. I am simply a deeply concerned citizen who knows how things work behind the scenes. I am a successful engineer, travel the world and am very politically active. I know many law enforcement personnel, politicians, researchers and doctors. I spent much of my youth in the streets of Brooklyn and also know many users, dealers and growers of practically everything.

The WOD is one of the main tools the corrupt government uses to take our personal freedom, financial liberty and the fruits of our labor. Anyone found today with a tiny palmable object can instantly be locked away without any other evidence. Planting such easy evidence on people is condoned at the highest levels of law enforcement: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2095772/Cowboy-cop-Jason-Arbeeny-planted-crack-couples-car-seat-escapes-jail.html Show me a single cop was ever truly punished for locking up innocent people. Do you know what happens these days if a cop pulls you over and finds a “large” amount of cash without anything else? GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2925007/posts

I don’t abuse anything illegal. Not because of laws or danger but because I simply don’t have the time to not be sober. It’s 100% a personal decision because one can easily buy cannabis or any other drug by simply dressing well and going out to a nice bar/club in any major city. Dealers constantly give out cards or even pamphlets. Each of them have their own police-designated “work area” and pay the cops accordingly. I can call one of these police-protected dealers and one of their messengers will deliver anything I want faster than a pizza. Many even take CREDIT CARDS now. The WOD is a complete joke and does NOTHING to stop people from using or buying drugs. It only changes the price and who gets paid. Do you know ANYONE who doesn’t use drugs because of the law?

Thanks to the internet, most people are now aware of this Big Lie. The remaining people that still support the WOD are ignorant, make money from it or want more government control for some other purpose. So which one are you?


41 posted on 09/24/2012 11:54:30 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: AppyPappy

Quit being a weasel and answer the question put to you.


42 posted on 09/24/2012 12:36:40 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Or what?


43 posted on 09/24/2012 12:40:04 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: AppyPappy

Or else continue to be a weasel.


44 posted on 09/24/2012 12:43:02 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Vaduz

No don’t need it.
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What a dull person you must be , everything affects your mood and can be called “mood altering” , getting stuck behind a slow car in traffic affects your mood , hearing a familiar song affects your mood , being with your partner definately affects your mood.. Are you sure nothing affects you? I might have to pronounce you DEAD. Is this Mr Spock?


45 posted on 09/24/2012 1:28:03 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Red Boots

I am not familiar with the situation at Mesa State. I can tell you that CU has cut and cut until there is no where to cut anymore. Professors are teaching sections that they are not being paid to teach to try and maintain curriculum. We are either last or next to last in the country in state funding. It is a joke. I do not feel this way about K-12. They have been well funded and are bloated bureaucracies in my opinion. They are passing kids from grade to grade without any proof that the material has been learned. It is pathetic.


46 posted on 09/24/2012 6:37:54 PM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Vaduz

“I can’t think of one logical reason why one would use anything mind altering.”

Not everything comes down to logic unless you are a Vulcan.

There is no logical reason to have sex unless you intend to cause a pregnancy. Yet millions of people do it every day. It is highly illogical but that isn’t going to stop anybody.

There is no logical reason to listen to music. There is no logical reason to look at “art”.

There is no logical reason for a lot of things. But they are still legitimate human activities.

And no, I am not encouraging the use of mind altering substances and I don’t support full legalization of all drugs.

However I do think marijuana users are are harmless for the most part and so should be left to do their thing in peace.

Even though what they are doing is indeed illogical.

You can’t tell by looking around anymore but this was supposed to be a free country.


47 posted on 09/24/2012 6:54:20 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Kaslin
We do have proof that the U.S. government is inept when it comes to the world's oldest profession (other than that of politicians). The Mustang ranch was opened in 1971 by Joe Conforte as Nevada's first legal bordello. The IRS seized the Mustang Ranch bordello in 1999 from Conforte for tax fraud, racketeering, and other crimes.

The Feds sold off the Mustang Ranch in several auctions, but at a financial loss. The Feds could not make a profit in the prostitution business!

Bureau of Land Management sold off the bordello's paintings, furniture, and appointments in 2002. BLM conducted the final auction on eBay in 2003 and Lance Gilman purchased the Mustang Ranch buildings for $145,100. Gilman paid 10 cents on the dollar, and moved the buildings five miles down the road to his Wild Horse Adult Resort & Spa. The additional buildings were back in business by 2005. [In December 2006, a federal court awarded Gilman exclusive use of the Mustang Ranch name.] The Mustang Ranch Brothel [Sparks, NV near Reno] has been quite profitable in private hands ever since.

Now, do we want state government to push drugs for profit and finance education? Have certain folks in Colorado lost their minds? The War on Drugs is stupid, but the state wanting to become the drug dealer of choice “for the children” is total lunacy. Colorado bureaucrats can barely run the DMV and there are those who think they can pedal dope at a profit?

48 posted on 09/24/2012 7:16:25 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Vaduz; varyouga
Vaduz, ya got your bell rang real good here.

And ya come back for more?

Amazing.

49 posted on 09/24/2012 7:29:53 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MasterGunner01

Do you support states’ authority under the Tenth Amendment to regulate intrastate mj? Or do you support fedgov shutting them down?


50 posted on 09/24/2012 7:54:23 PM PDT by Ken H
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