Voting laws may disenfranchise 10 million Hispanic U.S. citizens: study

Yahoo News ^ | 9/24/2012 | Patricia Zengerle

[Former Fetus]

New voting laws in 23 of the 50 states could keep more than 10 million Hispanic U.S. citizens from registering and voting, a new study said on Sunday, a number so large it could affect the outcome of the November 6 election.

The Latino community accounts for more than 10 percent of eligible voters nationally. But the share in some states is high enough that keeping Hispanic voters away from the polls could shift some hard-fought states from support for Democratic President Barack Obama and help his Republican rival, Mitt Romney.

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That imposes onerous and sometimes expensive documentation requirements on voters, especially targeting naturalized American citizens, many of whom are Latino, the liberal group said.

[Former Fetus]

That last sentence made me furious. I am a naturalized citizen. When I went to register to vote I took with me the naturalization certificate that the INS had given to me shortly after the swearing in, at no expense. That's all it took and I have not missed an election since!

I take it the real problem is not the documentation requirements, but the idea that it could take votes from Obama. My answer is, if they don't have a naturalization certificate they have no business voting!!!

[skeeter]

You’re right. This writer’s premise is patently dishonest - this is about getting Obama elected.

[txrefugee]

They have to have Identification for food stamps and Sec. 8 housing, so that should take care of I Ds fo those millions of “Hispanics.”

[yldstrk]

I don’t give a hoot where they call the old country. all I care about is if they are law abiding citizens. if they snuck in, they are not law abiding and they ain’t voting

[rotundusmaximus]

I am originally from Cuba, came in 1961 at the age of 13, became a resident and then citizen in 1975. I have not encountered a problem voting since I became a citizen, EVER!

[MrDem]

10 million illegals might not get to vote for Barry unlike 2008.

[EGPWS]

Government needs to supply door service with ballots and fill them out for these people via interview since they are too damn lazy or "illegal" to go and vote on their own.

Maybe if they are given a $100 each incentive pay for voting they will then go and vote on their own!

This will be next.

[Boomer One]

This is a false study obviously written to enhance voter fraud and serve as a basis for some liberal judge to throw out voter ID laws already under attack. Getting an ID is fairly simple (if you are legally here) and is already a requirement for just about anything one might want to do. It infuriates me that my vote can be so easily cancelled by someone simply wanting to steal from me under the guise of a “fair redistribution of wealth”.

[bboop]

My husband suggests the libs are pre-positioning themselves for court challenges to Romney’s WIN. I bet they will try to drag the recounts out for MONTHS. I hope our side is preparing for Chicago Mafia Shenanigans.

[Iron Munro]

Or.... May not.

[lacrew]

“Decades of study have found virtually no use of false identification in U.S. elections or voting by non-citizens”

How could they possibly know that, or study it?

Its very simple. Grandma dies, the daughter still votes for her. The room-mate moved to a new state...somebody still votes for him locally.

Its indetectable. If you know where a dead/moved away friend or relative lived, you can go vote for him. No study can discern whether or not that has happened.

[knarf]

The entire diusenfranchisement movement is a farce because of the word's definition;

"To disenfranchise is to take away someone's right to vote or to deprive someone of power, rights and privileges."

The ID requirement does not DO anything ... it requires something.

Y'need a ticket to ride the roller coaster, a token or a coin to ride a bus, clean hands before eating to stay healthy, warm clothes in the winter ...

The list is endless.

[MNDude]

They’ve had four years to figure out how to get an ID since the last Presidential election.

If getting an ID is such a concern, I’m sure our all powerful government could have come up some government program to get one to all without.

[SumProVita]

10 million illegals might not get to vote for Barry unlike 2008.

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THIS is exactly what causes their “concern.”

[hal ogen]

How can you “disenfranchise” anyone who is not “franchised” in the first place? These LIB degenerates are so moronic and destructive.

[deport]

Its indetectable. If you know where a dead/moved away friend or relative lived, you can go vote for him. No study can discern whether or not that has happened.

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With the advent of computers and technology it would take some effort but programs could be set up to cross reference items such as death certificates, felony convictions, driver license changes, marriage/divorces, etc. against voter roles. This should be an ongoing process today where the above type info is sent directly to the voter registrar for checking.

[liberalh8ter]

Were they able to get to the DMV to get a driver's license?

[driftless2]

Millions of Hispanics who are citizens but who do not have proper identification? Give me a break. An adult-age citizen of the United States with no proper ID.????!!!! The writer of this article should be choked for appealing to the stupidity of anyone reading the article.

[Wiser now]

The other day three applications for absentee ballots arrived in the mail. One for my husband, one for me, and one for the woman we bought this condo from two years ago. All we know about her wherebouts are that she lives in an assisted care faciltiy. We marked hers “Moved” and returned it to the post office. Two days later it arrived in our mail again, and again we returned it to the Post office. The Post Office said WE would have to file a change of address request for a woman we cannot find and have never met.
But one of us could have requested an absentee ballot in her name and used it, and no one except us would have been the wiser.

[PapaBear3625]

Its very simple. Grandma dies, the daughter still votes for her. The room-mate moved to a new state...somebody still votes for him locally. Its indetectable. If you know where a dead/moved away friend or relative lived, you can go vote for him. No study can discern whether or not that has happened.

It can be discerned, if somebody wants to spend a little money.

(1) Take a voting district with suspiciously-high turnout.

(2) Take a random sample of voters, using a high sampling for the absentee ballots.

(3) For each voter, use skip-trace and credit-check databases to see if there is evidence that the person is there (credit cards at that address, utility payments in that person's name).

(4) For voters that you don't see evidence of somebody by that name actually living there, have a PI pay a personal visit.

(5) Also check for people who show multiple addresses that signify multiple residences (college students, snowbirds, owners of vacation homes) and see if there are multiple voter registrations for the same person.

[The Toll]

These people have absolutely no idea of the bloodshed they are setting up for their childrens future. National borders are lines drawn in blood. Erase them at your peril fools!

[lacrew]

“With the advent of computers and technology it would take some effort but programs could be set up to cross reference items such as death certificates, felony convictions, driver license.”

While I don’t disagree, such a program would a) take forever, and b) could only be done using SS numbers...something I’m not sure I want every election official to have access to.

The simplest solution is....ID. And, it can/will be implemented now.

[TribalPrincess2U]

BS!

Not if they’re LEGAL.

[Cherokeesquaw]

Laws in effect in one state and pending in two others require proof of citizenship for voter registration....Nine states have passed restrictive photo identification laws that impose costs in time and money for millions of Latinos.....

Does anyone have any idea what States these are? I’d love to know. I hope they’re battleground States. Help me out here if you know; please.

[Durus]

Can you even become a naturalized citizen without ending up with proper ID? Is it possible?

[Lorianne]

I find it an mystery why Latinos are genetically incapable of obtaining I.D. (seemingly, according to the media).

Some scientists should look into this very strange genetic trait. It would be fascinating to break down the genome on this.

[cripplecreek]

In Michigan our ballot application has a check box that asks if we’re a legal American citizen and the liberals are squealing like pigs over it.

[KarlInOhio]

I wonder why liberals beclown themselves by putting such drivel into writing. As a natural born US citizen the only real paperwork I have to prove I am a citizen is a somewhat worn copy of my birth certificate made from a microfilm when I was a kid. Naturalized citizens would have an entire paper trail from when they were resident aliens and then finally got their citizenship.

If anything, a naturalized citizen would be far more likely to have proper ID because (I think) they were required to have ID on them when they were still legal aliens. If I visit another country I have my passport on me all the time.

[Cherokeesquaw]

I hope you’re in a solid Red or a solid Blue State where the fraud wouldn’t matter much.

[The Sons of Liberty]

Voting laws may disenfranchise 10 million Hispanic U.S. citizens: study

Hispanic "CITIZENS"? or Hispanic "OCCUPANTS"? BIG DIFFERENCE!

[VeniVidiVici]

Sounds like the Democrat-controlled media have received their latest talking points.

[Cherokeesquaw]

Best news I’ve hear yet today.

[Lorianne]

Exactly. My niece went to collget out of state. In 2008 she voted absentee in her home state. The in November, she accompanied some college friends to vote in her college state and claims she could have voted again with just her student I.D.

[informavoracious]

“Decades of study have found virtually no use of false identification in U.S. elections or voting by non-citizens”

Since in most places no identification is required to vote, how would they know?

[Wiser now]

Ohio. But I could not bring myself to cheat even against Obama. My husband wouldn’t either.

[lacrew]

“It can be discerned, if somebody wants to spend a little money.”

I guess I doubt that the ‘studies’ performed had the funding, or authority to go to all that effort.

And, I reject the notion that fraud on a large scale has to be proven, before it can be addressed. I’ve never had my house broken into; yet, I still bought a lock to put on the front door.

Anyway, I’ll rephrase....Voter fraud is difficult and costly to detect; and, I doubt the studies that have been done are complete enought to discern whether or not we have large scale voter fraud.

[wrencher]

“With the advent of computers and technology it would take some effort but programs could be set up to cross reference items such as death certificates, felony convictions, driver license changes, marriage/divorces, etc. against voter roles. This should be an ongoing process today where the above type info is sent directly to the voter registrar for checking.”

True, they could probably tie it in with the traffic camera systems and facial recognition software, perhaps considering the bundle of RFID signatures you walk about with a sufficiently unique identifier too. The drones should be able handle it given enough bandwidth........

[Liz]

As Mexico pushes north---salivating to takeover the SW--- they finance their fifth column invasion of US borders. The wailing and whining invaders-----"we just here for here for better life to do jobs Americanos won't do"---really gets to the bleeding heart sap-happy liberals.

The latino criminal underworld on US soil has more criminal enterprises than you can shake a stick at.

<><>ICE's "documents and benefits fraud task force" found a common practice among "impoverished" illegals is to buy several faked identities for several thousand dollars each----the illegal then votes and rides the US gravy train under several names.

<><> Jose Madrigal---the Washington state rapist---had some 30 identities. And probably voted and collected US benefits under every single identity.

<><>June 26, 2010 An illegal using multiple identities was sentenced to prison and ordered to pay back $3 million in fraudulently obtained unemployment compensation. Manuel Mejia Ordonez, got eight years for conspiracy to commit mail fraud........and identity theft.

<><> Hilderberto Salinas sold state drivers' licenses issued out of the state’s Motor Vehicle Agency in NJ to illegals with multiple identities who did not have the necessary id's....among 40 people who participated in the widespread ring. "Impoverished" illegals paid $2,500 to $7,000 apiece for the licenses.

<><> July 21, 2006----NJ BERGEN RECORD---Pelcastre brothers, Angel and Jorge, Dallas, Texas, were a walking threat to US national security, expert document forgers who, for a few thousand dollars, could give anyone a new identity, NJ L/E authorities said. The Texas brothers were a "one-stop shop" for a myriad of fake US documents, including birth certificates, Social Security cards, driver's licenses----for any state in the US------ passports and resident alien cards, said state police.

The Texas brothers turned a NJ hotel room into a business office and were readying a massive cache of fake Social Security cards for delivery to a local NJ identity broker. Officers happened upon two cars bearing Texas plates in a NJ hotel parking lot. The Texas brothers were followed to a NJ office supply store nearby where they purchased computer supplies. Officers then followed the Texans to a NJ storage facility in Secaucus, NJ, where the Texans loaded several boxes into a car. One of them stood lookout.

After a search, police recovered laminating sheets with built-in security features, pages of blank documents waiting for fake names and information, finished documents, computers and software to create the fake IDs.

All told, the haul was worth about $500,000 on the street when sold to "impoverished illegals." Police also recovered $6,000 in cash, which was the first payment from a NJ fake document broker for a shipment of 500 phony Social Security cards. ####

<><> US Dept of the Treasury Says Illegal Aliens Collecting Billions in Tax Credits According to the US Dept of Treasury’s Inspector General, more than $4.2 billion in additional child credits were paid out in 2010 to illegal immigrants. In 2005, the pay outs totaled $924 million. This program allows low income earners to claim a $1,000 per child credit. $20 billion EITC is estimated to have been paid out to these cunning "impoverished" illegals. Most of them are collecting over and over again-----using multiple identities-----falsifying official apps---claiming children they do not have and/or falsely stating kids are back in their homelands.

REFERENCE March 8, 2012 KENNER, La. -- Kenner police arrested illegal Marvin Baca who sold false W-2 forms to another illegal immigrant for $1,500. Baca sold fraudulent W-2 forms for $1,500 to other Hispanics here illegally.

Police said that on one of the forged W-2 forms had a SS no of a person living in Virginia. Police said illegal Hispanics purchase fictitious W-2 forms and file false tax returns with the government to receive EITC refunds. Baca was charged with one count of ID theft and two counts of forgery.

[moehoward]

Provisional Ballot, and they become un-disenfranchised.

[Liz]

Viscious Mexican gangs and drug cartels are said to operate freely across the border in Austin---the Texas state capital---right under the noses of the pols. Read on.

EDITED Zeta hit man details killings on both sides of border mySA.com | January 24, 2012 | Jason Buch / FR Posted by SwinneySwitch

LAREDO, TEXAS — A hit man for the Zetas Mexican drug cartel calmly related to jurors in a drug conspiracy trial---to his role as a hired killer.

In US District Court. Rosalio Reta pointed to Gerardo Castillo Chavez, 25, and identified him as a fellow Zeta. Reta, 22, told jurors that he had been in a team of hit men headed by Gabriel Cardona, an admitted Zeta, who has pleaded guilty to five murders that occurred in Texas 2005-06.

Reta said he was the triggerman in the murder of Moises Garcia, a Mexican Mafia prison gang member, in Dec 2005.

Reta, a U.S. citizen, received national media attention after the teenager was deported from Mexico in 2006 at age 17. He's known for his distinctive facial tattoos and boasts that he became a killer when he was 13 years old.

Prosecutors say Castillo Chavez was also a sicario, or hit man, in a crew that worked with Cardona's group, gunning down two people at a busy Laredo, Texas intersection in April 2006.

He faces up to life in prison if convicted on firearms and racketeering charges and wide-ranging drug conspiracy charges; prosecutors presented evidence of a decade's worth of Zeta operations in Texas.

Reta said that he fled to Mexico after two murders in Texas, for which he's now serving 70 years in prison, and worked with Castillo Chavez.” In May 2006, Reta testified, a team of killers was dispatched to El Punto Vivo, a nightclub in a suburb of Monterrey, Mexico.

“Hitmen Chema and Chavezs went into the bar,” Reta said. “They shot, they threw some grenades and they killed four people.”

Afterward, the hit squad went to a convenience store for snacks and drinks. Prosecutors played security video showing Reta and three others making purchases.

Jurors also heard Laredo police detective Robert Garcia testify that he linked the sicarios using phone records.

The big break came when an insider---a DEA informant---was tasked by the Zetas with renting a safe house for Cardona's crew. Garcia said he worked with the feds to thwart the Zetas' attempted hits and to gather evidence.

Defense attorneys questioned Reta as to why someone who had shown great care to hideout after killings in the U.S. would so brazenly hang out at a convenience store, even microwave popcorn, after committing a high-profile killing in Mexico.

“In Mexico, the cartels run everything,” Reta replied. “So it doesn't matter if you get caught on video. We are the law over there.

Rosalio Reta.

[newzjunkey]

the liberal group said

Shocked! /s

[deport]

States that Have Enacted Voter ID Laws

Not all of the laws listed below have taken effect. Please see the footnotes for detailed information.

 

Table 1. State Requirements for Voter Identification
States that Request or Require Photo ID		States that Require ID (Photo Not Required)
Strict Photo ID Georgia Indiana Kansas *Mississippi (6) Pennsylvania **South Carolina (1) Tennessee **Texas (1) *Wisconsin (2)	Photo ID **Alabama (1), (5) Florida Hawaii Idaho Louisiana Michigan New Hampshire South Dakota	Strict Non-Photo ID Arizona Ohio Virginia	Non-Strict Non-Photo ID Alaska Arkansas Colorado Connecticut Delaware Kentucky Missouri Montana North Dakota Oklahoma (3) Rhode Island (4) Utah Washington

 * New voter ID law has not yet been implemented; state presently has no voter ID law in effect.

** New voter ID law has not yet been implemented; an older voter ID law remains in effect.

(1) In Alabama, South Carolina and Texas, current non-photo voter ID laws stay in effect for the time being.  The new photo voter ID requirements will take effect after receiving preclearance  under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. South Carolina and Texas were denied pre-clearance in December 2011 and March 2012, respectively. Alabama's new photo ID law has a 2014 effective date, and the state has not yet applied for pre-clearance.

(2) Wisconsin's voter ID law was declared unconstitutional on March 12, 2012. Dane County Circuit Judge Richard Niess issued a permanent injunction barring enforcement of the law, which the state has said it will appeal.

(3) There are some who prefer to call Oklahoma a photo voter ID state, because most voters will show a photo ID before voting.  However, Oklahoma law also permits a voter registration card issued by the appropriate county elections board to serve as proof of identity in lieu of photo ID.

(4) Rhode Island's voter ID law takes effect in two stages. The first stage, requiring a non-photo ID, took effect on January 1, 2012. On January 1, 2014, a photo ID requirement will replace the non-photo ID law.

(5) Alabama's new photo ID requirement takes effect with the 2014 statewide primary election. The new law also requires preclearance. The delayed implementation date was intended to ensure that the timing of preclearance did not occur between the primary and general elections of 2012, thus creating voter confusion.

(6) Mississippi's new voter ID law was passed via the citizen initiative process. It takes effect 30 days after the certification of results, a date that will likely fall in late December 2011 or early January 2012. However, the language in constitutional amendment passed by MS voters on Nov. 8 is very general, and implementing legislation will be required before the amendment can take effect. The MS provision will also require pre-clearance under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act before it can take effect.

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[cripplecreek]

We run our ID though a magnetic strip reader when we vote here in Michigan and the poll worker visibly checks it as well.

[Liz]

Broward County Registered Voters Admit Being Non-Citizens
Florida Media Trackers | 6/28/2012 | TOM LAUDER / FR Posted by Kevin C

Six non-citizens admitted to Broward County Supervisor of Elections Brenda Snipes they are registered voters but should not be allowed to vote, Snipes reported yesterday at a community forum. The non-citizens asked to be removed from the registered voter list.

The non-citizens came forward after receiving a letter of inquiry from Snipes’ office. As for the other suspected non-citizens, Snipes said she would “err on the side of caution…and wait for a more reliable list.”

Snipes reported the non- citizens’ inclusion on voter registration lists the same day an attorney for the Florida State Association Of Supervisors Of Elections advised elections supervisors they can resume removing non-citizens from voter registration lists.

Ron Labasky, general counsel for the Association, sent out a memo late Wednesday saying elections supervisors can resume removing non- citizens if supervisors have “sufficient documentation” that a person is not a U.S. citizen.

An official list provided by the Broward Supervisor of Elections shows 46 of 262 suspected non-citizens voted in elections dating as far back as 1984.

Last month, Snipes told the media that any non-citizen casting a vote is committing a felony.

Snipes sent letters to the 262 registered voters asking them to provide proof of citizenship. Snipes’ gave the non-citizens 30 days to respond.

Media Trackers Florida verified votes had been cast by using two different voter information services. Our review shows 31 votes cast by registered Democrats, 5 votes cast by registered Republicans, and 10 votes cast by persons with no party affiliation.

[Tennessee Nana]

I’m also a naturalized citizen...

I dont remember what I needed to register to vote...

Back during the 1970s when I started voting documentation was still important so I probably also had to show my naturalization certificate...

We were suppose to have it with us at all times...

This is just an excuse to allow the illegal aliens to vote...

after all who else would be void of ID to vote ???

[Fee]

In the age of computers, one cannot track who is who??!!! BS. Forget to pay alimony? BAM Forget to pay back taxes? BAM Newt is right when he llustrates how FEDEX tracks several million MOVING packages a day and the gov cannot track millions of static people. In the 1980’s INS would show up at a factory with computer print outs and nail illegal immigrant workers so well that the factory owners had to call their Congressman to put a stop to the practice. Today with wireless access and computer data, we cannot catch illegals working and voting???!!!!

[JWinNC]

"How could they possibly know that, or study it?

Its very simple. Grandma dies, the daughter still votes for her. The room-mate moved to a new state...somebody still votes for him locally.

Its indetectable. If you know where a dead/moved away friend or relative lived, you can go vote for him. No study can discern whether or not that has happened."

Ding!^^^

If you don't measure it and have no means to even attempt to measure it, then of course "studies" will find little of it.

[TADSLOS]

The boodsuckers of Social Justice.

[Rad_J]

For a Latino, it is easier to get an ID than it is to buy a taco in America.

[jennychase]

Same happened with me, I don’t think they even asked my Naturalization certificate. It is so easy.