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The last patrol: America's deadliest city disbands police force
AP via UK Daily Mail ^ | 9/23/12

Posted on 09/24/2012 8:40:54 AM PDT by Kartographer

This city, long among the nation's poorest and most crime-ridden, is on the verge of dismantling its police department and starting anew with a force run by the county government. City officials are making the move to increase the number of officers while keeping the cost the same by averting rules negotiated with a union that city officials have seen as unwilling to compromise. Unless the union - which is skeptical of the stated motivations for the change - reaches a deal with the county, no more than 49 per cent of the city's current officers could join the new force and those that do will get pay cuts.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: camden; corruption; democrats; democratutopia; fraud; liberals
1 Adam 12 you been fired!
1 posted on 09/24/2012 8:40:57 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

And all the dogs in the city, their long nightmare over, breathed a sigh of relief.


2 posted on 09/24/2012 8:43:11 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Kartographer

In Camden, NJ, one of the most corrupt cities in America, it will probably go unnoticed.


3 posted on 09/24/2012 8:48:20 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Kartographer

What a terrible article. You really have to work to figure out that “this city” is Camden, New Jersey.

That being said, I think that police are largely useless. Cities may end up realizing that the money going to LEOs is not really well spent.


4 posted on 09/24/2012 8:50:06 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: Kartographer

Lauderdale did that years ago and put the whole county under the sheriffs office.not sure think it worked out ok.
All though the mom and pop pd in my town Laud by Sea didnt like it,they had to perform like cops.No more sleeping at 5am behind certain bldgs.


5 posted on 09/24/2012 8:51:55 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: ClearCase_guy
That being said, I think that police are largely useless. Cities may end up realizing that the money going to LEOs is not really well spent.

Back in the 1970's, the police in Albuquerque, New Mexico went on strike. Crime went down. Why? The citizens armed themselves and patrolled their own neighborhoods. The criminals realized that if they were caught in the commission of a crime, they would not be arrested, they would be shot on the spot.

6 posted on 09/24/2012 8:56:09 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You wrote “What a terrible article. You really have to work to figure out that “this city” is Camden, New Jersey.”

Well, a “journalist” couldn’t come right out and say it’s Camden. That might hurt the self-esteem of the Camden democrat politicians and union leaders.


7 posted on 09/24/2012 8:59:02 AM PDT by duckworth (Perhaps instant karma's going to get you. Perhaps not.)
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To: Kartographer

What city? What nation? Have to click thru to find out?


8 posted on 09/24/2012 8:59:17 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Kartographer

Cities that Liberal politics and their “government plantation society” have destroyed are not able to be “rescued” by government. Every government-run attempt at rescue, like foreign aid, fails, increases dependency and increases local corruption - New Jersey has tried and failed in Camden for decades. It would be cheaper and quicker to condemn the whole area, offer “resettlemnt” funds to the residents to areas of the country with the highest rates of employment, and then start selling it lot-by-lot and at no more cost than what the government actually spent on the program. Then a whole new Camden and a whole new Detroit could gradually be born.


9 posted on 09/24/2012 8:59:33 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: JimRed

...or read the following comments!

8^)


10 posted on 09/24/2012 9:00:49 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Kartographer

The murder rate is incomprehensible- the town of 70,000 has the same number of homicides that my city of 3 million has.


11 posted on 09/24/2012 9:01:16 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: JimRed

It says Camden right in the URL


12 posted on 09/24/2012 9:02:59 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kartographer

I didn’t need to click thru the article to know what city they are talking about.

We moved out of Camden in 1997, drug deals were going down right in front of my house. I would stand on my porch with my phone and call in the license plate numbers. Police did not respond. My husband made me stop doing that, he thought either one of us would get shot.


13 posted on 09/24/2012 9:07:19 AM PDT by siamesecats (God closes one door, and opens another, to protect us.)
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To: Kartographer

Actually, let the city burn to the ground and start over!


14 posted on 09/24/2012 9:08:24 AM PDT by siamesecats (God closes one door, and opens another, to protect us.)
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To: Kartographer

Is journalism so bad now that they can’t even name the city in the title or the opening paragraph?


15 posted on 09/24/2012 9:11:14 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Kartographer

There has to be some money to be made in tearing down those old buildings and selling materials for salvage. Have the welfare recipients sort the stuff out. Then they’re working and learning something useful. Those empty buildings just look like defeat to me. Tear them down. An empty lot would be better.


16 posted on 09/24/2012 9:18:29 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ClearCase_guy
What a terrible article. You really have to work to figure out that “this city” is Camden, New Jersey.

The Journ-O-List wanted readers in Grosse Point and Beverly Hills to think it might possibly be about THEM (damned Republicans and their friggin' austerity...)


17 posted on 09/24/2012 9:21:13 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Squawk 8888

A somewhat low-blow coming from the north. :)

At first glance, Toronto is a different kettle of fish (at least I am assuming TO). Moreover, it seems even worse when one realizes that within TO most of the murders fall into a couple of categories—and if you stay out of the drug/prostitution culture and stay on good terms with your family members, your chances of being murder drop to near zero. I suspect that the same is true in Camden—it is just that the drug/prostitution culture and family difficulties are much higher on a per capita basis.


18 posted on 09/24/2012 9:33:07 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Kartographer

As long as the animals don’t learn to swim across the Delaware, just let Camden be Camden.


19 posted on 09/24/2012 9:33:22 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Squawk 8888
The murder rate is incomprehensible- the town of 70,000 has the same number of homicides that my city of 3 million has.

Ironically, all those murder victims result in an increase in Democrat voters.
Go figure.

20 posted on 09/24/2012 9:36:29 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Kartographer

21 posted on 09/24/2012 9:54:19 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Monarchy is the one system of government where power is exercised for the good of all - Aristotle)
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To: Hieronymus

Your Assumption is correct, and your observation that most of the murders here are criminals killing each other. What has us worried is that there have been a couple of shootouts recently (one in a busy downtown mall) in which innocents were caught in the crossfire.


22 posted on 09/24/2012 9:56:16 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: Kartographer

There is no development in Camden, and the homes that are there are falling into shambles. It’s pretty bad in most parts. I would think that left to continue, Camden will simply disappear within a generation, since there won’t be anywhere left to live and nobody will develop there. Perhaps this move will speed up the process.


23 posted on 09/24/2012 9:58:53 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: duckworth; ClearCase_guy

OTOH, it might be that in order to drive traffic to the original site, burying below the excerpt, depending on how far down it is, is the equivalent of putting all the details of a headline inside a newspaper so that you have to purchase it to achieve “closure”.


24 posted on 09/24/2012 10:00:05 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: ClearCase_guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_preventive_patrol_experiment
25 posted on 09/24/2012 10:05:21 AM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: pepsi_junkie
Years ago, when I was young and naive, I watched a 60 Minutes piece on Camden. I remember a middle-aged Catholic priest arguing against the siting of a new waste treatment facility in Camdem - "And all I see is everybody flushing toilets, sending it all down to here to us in Camden..."
26 posted on 09/24/2012 10:05:52 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: MasterGunner01

Here is an idea: pull in the patrols and make the city a free fire zone:

Go ahead Adam 12:

Central, Fire mission. Grid 734536, Direction 4800...ten urban outdoorsman in the open. Fire for effect.


27 posted on 09/24/2012 10:35:36 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Kartographer

This is the first sign that Camden can no longer afford the Union corruption. If they can see it in Camden Maybe the rest of America see it and end Union tyranny. They could start with Teachers and follow up with a big dump on SEIU.


28 posted on 09/24/2012 10:51:05 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Steamburg

Camden is already Nj’s Detroit; if you visit the battleship New Jersey you’re driving through blocks upon blocks of a ghost town to get there.

On the east side of NJ, Asbury Park has the distinction of already earning a place on “ghosttowns.com” (for the same reason Camden is dead - but we’re not allowed to speak of it).


29 posted on 09/24/2012 10:55:33 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: pepsi_junkie

I drove through Camden years ago and was shocked at how many buildings were vacant; you’d drive for blocks and not see a single person.

Since the “white flight” years ago, these cities have been unable to pay their own bills; our recent layoffs in NJ of thousands of cops, firemen, and teachers were decades overdue. In the meantime, they chased out countless businesses and taxpayers by trying to keep the bloated gubmint workforce in place. Soon all that will be left will be the multi-generational welfare paraistes, illegal aliens (I know there is some overlap there), and the gubmint workers to “administer” them.


30 posted on 09/24/2012 10:58:55 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Mouton
Works for me. Let's use 155mm with cluster munitions for maximum effect. It will be difficult to spot the fall of shot because so much of Camden already looks like an artillery impact area.
31 posted on 09/24/2012 11:39:47 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: Squawk 8888

I was more worried by the Scarborough Bluffs shooting—in part because my wife is from Scarburbia so we make it down there one in a while (we live four hours north of the city which is about right) and in part because I hate the Eaton Centre—any reason not to go there is a good one in my opinion.


32 posted on 09/24/2012 11:44:33 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Kartographer

How long before all the cop haters of FR move there, I wonder?

(Not that I’m a big fan door-kicking, dog killing type cops, but they’re likely to be more help than hippies or gangsters...)


33 posted on 09/24/2012 11:52:45 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Hieronymus

I agree about Eaton Centre; I live four blocks away from it but last time I went in was two months ago, and that was to stay out of the rain while walking elsewhere.


34 posted on 09/24/2012 12:30:11 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: MasterGunner01

Yeah, but just think of all the secondary projectiles afforded by streets and brick buildings. Every flat is a ready made Claymore.

Collateral damage becomes synonymous with urban renewal.


35 posted on 09/24/2012 1:11:28 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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