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Is China Burning?
Forbes ^ | 9/23/2012 | Gordon G. Chang

Posted on 09/24/2012 12:25:10 PM PDT by neverdem

Chinese streets were quiet today after anti-Japan protests, many of them violent, rocked more than a 100 cities last week. Large demonstrations continued through Tuesday, the 81st anniversary of Japan’s invasion of Manchuria.

The disturbances, triggered by a territorial dispute over the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea, are commonly described as the worst anti-Japan riots to hit the country since at least 2005, and they may have even been more destructive than that.

In any event, the damage to Japan’s business interests in China was substantial. More than a dozen Japanese companies halted operations in the country as fire bombings, sabotage, and looting took their toll. Manufacturers Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Yamaha, Komatsu, Hitachi, and Canon shuttered plants. Panasonic locked the doors of a factory after employees broke windows, ruined equipment, and set fires...

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Today, however, the Chinese economy is in obvious distress, with fewer analysts buying Beijing’s claims that the country is growing in the high single digits. Charles Dumas of Lombard Street Research, for example, thinks China’s growth rate is only 1.6%, and it could even be lower than that. In this environment, even minor disruptions could have a “tipping point” effect...

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In fact, Beijing officials have talked about taking the Ryukyus after they get the Senkakus. And we should not think the Chinese are limiting their anger to the Japanese. Last week’s events have been compared, in their intensity and their aims, to the anti-foreigner Boxer Rebellion, which began just at the end of the 19th century.

That, unfortunately, is a historical parallel we should remember. Rioters on Tuesday attacked and damaged the car of American ambassador Gary Locke while he was in it.

China at the moment is unstable, and that puts foreign businesses there—not to mention the Chinese economy—at risk.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Japan; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: china

1 posted on 09/24/2012 12:25:12 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

China
North Korea
Syria
Iran
Afghanistan
Egypt
Libya
Greece
Spain
Portugal

I cannot imagine that the powderkeg won’t find a match before the year is out. Most likely, before October is out.


2 posted on 09/24/2012 12:28:49 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: neverdem

excellent article


3 posted on 09/24/2012 12:31:36 PM PDT by traumer
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To: neverdem

I can’t believe that many protesters care that much about that jurisdiction.

Someone realized the USA is about to dump a weak leader, and there is just 4 months to fix both their economic & population problems thru war with minimal damage to the leadership.


4 posted on 09/24/2012 12:42:25 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem

China can just as easily nationalize our industry there and kick us out.

We have been the saps of all time for doing business with China. Look at the peace dividend now beginning to vaporize just as many of us predicted.

It’s breathtaking to watch what we have allowed China to get away with. And that’s just our dealings with it.

Our economy is in a shambles, in part to that policy. Slow growth, who could have seen this coming?

Shakes head...


5 posted on 09/24/2012 12:42:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Imagine how bad these global protests would be, if Obama hadn't won us so many new friends.)
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To: ctdonath2

They just discovered what weekends are for


6 posted on 09/24/2012 12:43:18 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“China
North Korea
Syria
Iran
Afghanistan
Egypt
Libya
Greece
Spain
Portugal”

You forgot one very important country on your list:

USA.


7 posted on 09/24/2012 12:50:50 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: DoughtyOne

Interesting that the article listed the Boxer Rebellion (no, not the stupid commie hag from California). You can also add the Opium War and the Cultural Revolution. Every generation or two the Chinese are swept up in a frenzy of xenophobia, and have their own internal version of “ethnic cleansing.” You won’t see a lasting movement for “diversity” or “multiculturalism” there.

I was wondering when the next wave would hit. Perhaps it just did.


8 posted on 09/24/2012 12:54:32 PM PDT by henkster (With Carter, the embassy staff was still alive.)
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To: neverdem

Distraction is what dictatorships do when something unpleasant looms —in this case it’s a lofty mountain of secret debt.

The Senkaku Island Dispute has been going on for DECADES yet magically only NOW does it bubble up and become pressing.

Just keep your eye on Chinese economic indicators —I think the PRC leadership will soon find a solution for all those tens of millions of young Chinese men who have NO HOPE AT ALL of getting married (too many girl abortions).

MANUFACTURED DISTRACTION.


9 posted on 09/24/2012 1:06:28 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin
Just keep your eye on Chinese economic indicators —I think the PRC leadership will soon find a solution for all those tens of millions of young Chinese men who have NO HOPE AT ALL of getting married (too many girl abortions).

An air and naval conflict over the East and South China Seas isn't much of a remedy for that population imbalance. They need something much worse, but suffering mass casualties could cause the Chicoms to lose the Mandate of Heaven.

10 posted on 09/24/2012 2:12:15 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

The other option is to inflict mass casualties on the enemy’s men and steal their women. That might work as motivation if there’s no hope of getting a woman back home.


11 posted on 09/24/2012 2:14:04 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: gaijin
The Senkaku Island Dispute has been going on for DECADES yet magically only NOW does it bubble up and become pressing.

Maybe someone made an offensive YouTube video about it.


12 posted on 09/24/2012 2:16:05 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: henkster
Interesting that the article listed the Boxer Rebellion (no, not the stupid commie hag from California).

The 2010 Boxer Rebellion failed to catch "Fiorina."

13 posted on 09/24/2012 2:17:29 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: neverdem
One of my best friends is Chinese. She is Republican. She has shared many stories with me about her childhood. These peoples’ entire lives are built on propaganda from cradle to grave.They are taught what to think, who to hate, and to idolize their leaders. They are very intelligent people and she says there is hope with the younger generation in the use of technology. It is at a point , she says, where knowledge of “the outside world” will be known to all and they love America and are beginning to despise the “old traditions.”
14 posted on 09/24/2012 2:47:21 PM PDT by lucky american (The Democrats will follow the big "D"even if it means going over a cliff.)
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To: neverdem
China at the moment is unstable, and that puts foreign businesses there—not to mention the Chinese economy—at risk.

I have been getting a couple investment letters from a company called Stansberry and associates and recently they have been telling it's subscribers to sell ALL investments in Chineese stocks.

15 posted on 09/24/2012 3:05:47 PM PDT by painter (Obamahood,"Steal from the working people and give to the worthless.")
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To: gaijin
Distraction is what dictatorships do when something unpleasant looms —in this case it’s a lofty mountain of secret debt.

From what I have been hearing the Chinese have been buying TONS of gold for the last few years.

16 posted on 09/24/2012 3:10:20 PM PDT by painter (Obamahood,"Steal from the working people and give to the worthless.")
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To: neverdem
This just in.. China delays ascension to number one super power originally scheduled for next Tuesday afternoon, at about tea time.

"Most likely it will be the following Saturday morning," said a Chinese Communist Central Committee representative. "Early."

American "free traders" remain apprehensive, "When? Please, please when?" they plead.

17 posted on 09/24/2012 3:22:55 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: gaijin

Bull’s Eye !


18 posted on 09/24/2012 3:57:23 PM PDT by traumer
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To: neverdem

In fact, Beijing officials have talked about taking the Ryukyus after they get the Senkakus


For the record, the Ryukyus is Okinawa, the home to Kadena Air Base and Marine Corps Base Camp Butler (along with the Army’s Torii Station and the Navy’s White beach).

I wonder when they plan to take Okinawa?


19 posted on 09/24/2012 3:58:02 PM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: OwenKellogg; Jeff Head
As I was telling someone earlier this evening, maybe it would be timely for some U.S. air formations and a carrier battle group to show up in the general area.

The Chinese keep adding small chips to their side of the table. Their new aircraft carrier just went to sea, n/w/s she has a long shakedown and air operations learning cycle to go through.

20 posted on 09/25/2012 2:15:02 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

The Chinese have no aircraft ready for that carrier yet. They have six Prototype J-15s which are a modernized indegenous version of the Russian SU-33...but they are not production aircraft.

it will be two years before they have enough aircraft to form an air wing. Then they have to get trained and proficient...which will be a long road. 3-4 years befoere they are ready to show the flag in any manner desiring to intimidate or threaten anyone with that vessel.

Now, I expect they will take a good will cruise to show the thing off...but they are not ready in the least for any military type ops for it yet.


21 posted on 09/25/2012 3:33:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
Thanks for the post, Jeff.

Sorta feels like 1937, doesn't it?

22 posted on 09/25/2012 6:38:01 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

That’s exactly what my Dad used to tell me in the early 2000s before he passed in 2004. He was a Combat Naval Officer vet of the PTO in WW II. Said what China was doing with their naval buildup reminded him of what Japan and then Germany did in the mid to late 1930s in the buildup to World War II.

I wrote a book about how it might go of it came to open Warfare:

Dragon’s Fury: World War against America and the West
http://www.dragonsfuryseries.com


23 posted on 09/25/2012 9:11:37 PM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: painter

And the smart money has been exporting its wealth and children to the West.


24 posted on 09/26/2012 11:10:47 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: neverdem
This is Taipei Taiwan Saturday 22 Sept 2013.

AIT issues safety notification to US citizens
"The American Institute in Taiwan (AIT) has issued a safety alert to U.S. citizens in Taiwan, warning them of possible violence during demonstrations in Taipei this weekend. Some U.S. citizens living in Taiwan said that it is the first time they have ever received such warnings from the AIT. The warning comes in the wake of widespread protests by Muslims against the United States over an anti-Islam film, and the Diaoyutais sovereignty dispute between Japan, China and Taiwan."

The Taiwan newspaper, China Post, refuses to allow comments on this article.
25 posted on 09/27/2012 1:16:42 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Tainan
>”This is Taipei Taiwan Saturday 22 Sept 2013”<

Wow, I must have had a heck of a Nap. Who's the President now?

26 posted on 09/27/2012 1:23:00 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (How do you insult an Obama Voter? Call them an Obama Voter.)
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To: Kickass Conservative
The KMT party president is Ma...Ma Ying-jeou (Ma ing joe). But this has little relevance to him. He is a very good guy. He is, unfortunately, trapped in a confederation of fools, ignorant crooks and self-serving political hacks.

Those individuals pictured are obviously not native Taiwan people. Thus, they are in direct violation of a number of immigration laws. Laws that someone has gave the order to ignore.
This kind of stuff has not happened here before. IMO, it is orchestrated by local immans and agitators.
27 posted on 09/27/2012 1:47:23 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Tainan
I appreciate the response. Islam is like Liberalism, it infects everything it touches.

I was originally just posting because of the (2013) date attached to the photo. If it's 2013, either Obama is still ruining, oops running things or President Romney is trying to clean up the mess. #;*)

28 posted on 09/27/2012 9:01:37 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (How do you insult an Obama Voter? Call them an Obama Voter.)
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To: Kickass Conservative
Uh Oh...the date thing would be the result of my clumsy fingers hitting the wrong key....still "2012" here.
My mistake.
29 posted on 09/27/2012 4:21:10 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“And nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom....”


30 posted on 09/27/2012 4:40:45 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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