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Tom on the California 2012 Propositions (McClintock recommendations)
tommcclintock.com ^ | 20 September 2012 | Tom McClintock

Posted on 09/24/2012 12:28:54 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

Prop 30: Your Wallet or Your Kids. NO

Either approve $36 billion in higher sales and income taxes or else Gov. Brown threatens to shoot the schools. Don't worry, the income taxes are only on the "very wealthy," but it turns out the "very wealthy" include many small businesses filing under sub-chapter S, meaning lower wages, higher prices and fewer jobs. California already has one of the highest overall tax burdens in the country and yet has just approved a budget to spend $8 billion dollars more than it's taking in. Moral of the story: it's the spending stupid.

Prop 31: Rotting Mackerel by Moonlight. NO

This one shines and stinks. On the shiny side, it moves us toward performance-based budgeting, restores certain powers to the governor to make mid-year spending reductions and requires new spending to be paid for. On the stinky side, it provides a two-year budget cycle that makes fiscal gimmickry all the easier and locks into the Constitution an incredibly anal process for local communities to adopt "Strategic Action Plans" serving such open-ended new age objectives as "community equity" and nudges them into establishing regional governments to push this agenda. The purpose of local governments is to provide basic services, not to pursue utopian four-year plans.

Prop 32: Cutting The Piggies Off From The Trough. YES

In the "It's About Time" category, this measure would finally prohibit unions, corporations, government contractors, and state and local governments from deducting money from employees' paychecks for political purposes without their express written consent. As Jefferson wrote, "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." This puts an end to this despotic practice.

Prop 33: Rewarding Responsible Drivers. YES

Here's a no-brainer: should car insurance companies be allowed to offer a discount to drivers who maintain continuous coverage? No, it's not a trick question. Under California's convoluted law, if you switch auto insurers you can't qualify for the continuous coverage discount. This measure says you can.

Prop 34: Lifetime Room and Board (and Sex-Change Operations, too) for Murderers. NO

This abolishes the death penalty for first-degree murder. Enough said.

Prop 35: Red Light on Human Trafficking. YES

Prop 35 greatly expands the definition of "Human Trafficking" (already illegal), and greatly increases existing penalties. The problem is real and growing and needs stronger sanctions, although there are some provisions in Prop 35 that make it ripe for prosecutorial abuse, including limiting the ability of defendants to cross-examine witnesses and broadening the definition of trafficking to include those who never had contact with the victim. On balance, though, the good outweighs the bad.

Prop 36: Gutting Three Strikes. NO

After many years of rising crime rates, Californians finally struck back with the three-strikes law. It is actually a two-strikes law: after two serious or violent felonies - in which one has murdered, assaulted, raped, robbed or pillaged his fellow citizens - he is on notice that any further misconduct will remove him from polite society. Prop 36 would require that the third strike also be a serious or violent crime, giving dangerous criminals yet one more opportunity at atrocity. The Left predicted that "Three Strikes" would have no effect on crime - in fact, crime rates have plummeted. When it ain't broke, don't try and fix it.

Prop 37: Spit it Out. NO

This is the latest effort of the Nanny Left to tell us what to eat. It requires foods that contain any ingredients resulting from biotechnology advances to carry the scary warning: "GENETICALLY ENGINEERED." There is not a shred of evidence that biotechnology is the least bit dangerous - it often reduces the need for pesticides. To avoid branding their products with the Scarlet Warning, food processors would have to prove that every scrap and crumb in their fare is devoid of biotechnology or face crushing lawsuits. Grocery prices high enough yet?

Prop 38: Pay More, Get Less. NO

Not to be outdone by Prop. 30, this measure heaps $120 BILLION of new income taxes on those earning more than $7,316 (the new millionaires and billionaires of California's impoverished economy). It's for the schools, of course. No doubt these dollars (which families would just waste on necessities) will be as well spent as the staggering fortune that we're already shoveling into the sclerotic school system.

Prop 39: Tax Us Before We Hire Again. NO

This is a $1 billion per year tax increase on California businesses to subsidize a whole new generation of Solyndra scams. But remember, businesses don't pay business taxes; they only collect them from employees through lower wages, from consumers through higher prices, or from investors through lower earnings. Prop 39 might be bad news for California's employees, consumers and investors, but it's great news for the Nevada Chamber of Commerce.

Prop 40: Your GOP Donations At Work. YES

This is a monument to the stupidity of some Republican Party leaders, who spent nearly $2 million of party funds to qualify - and then drop - this referendum to overturn the Senate reapportionment because several state senators didn't like their new districts. They had hoped to run in their old seats, but after qualifying the initiative found out they couldn't anyway. A "Yes" vote affirms that the new non-partisan Citizens Redistricting Commission works.


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From one of the few decent Congressmen. Haven't made up my mind on all the propositions, but the ones I have, I definitely agree with Tom.

Related thread:
California: November 2012 Statewide Ballot Measures

1 posted on 09/24/2012 12:29:03 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Which is the Molly Munger new school tax?


2 posted on 09/24/2012 12:37:40 PM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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Proposition 38
3 posted on 09/24/2012 12:40:44 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture
This is the latest effort of the Nanny Left to tell us what to eat.

He blew that one big time. Whatever one thinks about it, this is an effort to tell us what we are eating, not an effort to tell us what to eat.

Big difference. It's just an effort to give consumers information about what is in a product so they can decide whether or not to spend their money on the product. Imagine that!

And no matter how hard some try to twist and distort that reality, giving the consumer the necessary information to make a purchasing decision is the conservative position.

4 posted on 09/24/2012 12:41:20 PM PDT by Will88
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To: CounterCounterCulture
How does a democratic republic get turned into a tyranny lickety-split? My question, not Mr. Kurtz, see article. California’s Awful Prop. 31: Is This Your Future?

"The regionalist transformation now being quietly pressed on California is exactly [what] President Obama has in mind for America should he win a second term. In California and America both, the 2012 election could open the door for a regionalist movement in hot pursuit of a redistributionist remaking of American life."

5 posted on 09/24/2012 12:45:53 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Tom’s got it right, especially about sleeper #31.


6 posted on 09/24/2012 12:46:08 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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bookmark.


7 posted on 09/24/2012 12:51:50 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: CounterCounterCulture

I concur with tom.

ThomasThomas


8 posted on 09/24/2012 12:56:19 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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Prop 31 hangs out a carrot to hide the bad stuff.

The PROP 25 that said no pay for congress till the budget is passed also gave them a simple majority to pass a budget. Now the dems have no reason to even talk to republicans about the budget. They know how to write props for suckers in this state and their targets are uninformed conservatives.


9 posted on 09/24/2012 1:05:28 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Bump


10 posted on 09/24/2012 1:12:18 PM PDT by Argus
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To: CounterCounterCulture
"(McClintock recommendations)"


11 posted on 09/24/2012 1:18:21 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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Election bookmark.


12 posted on 09/24/2012 1:31:50 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Thank you for posting.


13 posted on 09/24/2012 1:59:23 PM PDT by brightright
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To: CounterCounterCulture

I agree on all except #37 (the labelling GM foods). That said, I am of such a fury at the stupidity of California voters over the years (as a former resident of the state who escaped last year) that I almost think the state deserves its punishment and the worst outcomes possible. My one demand is that the federal government never bail out California and make it abide its own choices.


14 posted on 09/24/2012 1:59:23 PM PDT by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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To: Will88
Did Prop 65 truly tell you what is toxic?

Sheesh.

If you want non-GM food, go to your grocery store, demand it, and then don't bitch about the prices.

15 posted on 09/24/2012 4:28:19 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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Did Prop 65 truly tell you what is toxic?

Sheesh.

Sheesh is right, when someone who claims to be a conservative can't grasp the concept that in a free society, consumers have a right to know what sort of product is being offered for sale. And they have right to spend their money on the product of their choice, for whatever reasons they make their buying decisions.

Really weird to see all these so-called conservatives assume the role of Big Brother and say: we know what's best. Don't ask questions; just take what we've decided is fine for you to consume. That's how Stalin and Mao did it in their time.

16 posted on 09/24/2012 7:12:54 PM PDT by Will88
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Sheesh is right, when someone who claims to be a conservative can't grasp the concept that in a free society, consumers have a right to know what sort of product is being offered for sale.

Oh really? Well there's a problem with your thesis, "conservative."

In a free society, process and formulary information is private property. It is the discretion of the OWNER to tell you about what he owns that you want to buy. Until you pay for both the product and that information, there is no sale and the product remains the property of the vendor. You can ask the vendor to tell you that information, and refuse to buy it if they don't. If there are enough customers like you, you can watch him go out of business if he won't. That's how liberty works.

Instead, you want the all powerful State to force the producer to tell you everything about his product whether it matters to your safety or not and whether you choose to buy it or not.

You had options you choose not to exercise. You could have hired a third party you trusted to assess that information, a business possessing a record of keeping trade secrets while accurately assessing concerns about product safety. You've been doing the same for decades with everything from lightbulbs to computers, including appliances that could kill you if they were unsafe. Somehow, you didn't need a schematic. The reason is that you hired Underwriters Labs to go in there and check out the product. It's a VOLUNTARY system that works fine and has for nearly a century, but now it's not good enough for you.

Really weird to see all these so-called conservatives assume the role of Big Brother and say: we know what's best.

You are the one playing Big Brother here, because you want the government to pry into everybody's business because you don't trust their products, you don't accept their guarantees, and you don't take their insurance despite the waters boiling with lawyers all around them. Nope. You want the State to enter their laboratories, steal their proprietary information and tell it you, whether the differences are material or not, whether you understand them or not.

I have done more than anyone on this forum toward replacing regulatory government with private property free enterprise solutions. Seriously. You'd better check my FR page before shooting off your mouth, as I own the first patent for a business method in free market environmental management. I've put my job on the line to force my employer to obtain environmental permits, despite having two new babies and a new house in the midst of a recession. I have been engaged in native plant habitat restoration for 23 years, starting before a single university ever offered the specialty. I've given up over $1.5 million in salary to do that work.

I tell you now, you quite clearly have no idea how free enterprise works, much less what "conservative" even means.

I don't even know why I bother with power freaks like you.

17 posted on 09/24/2012 7:43:19 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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Until you pay for both the product and that information, there is no sale and the product remains the property of the vendor.

You're talking nonsense and using a lot of words to do it. A couple of the requirements of a free market are that both the sellers and buyers have perfect knowledge as to product and price. Information must be available to all participants.

That's a requirement of a free market along with many others. To the extent that participants choose to deviate from it, they are moving towards some sort of market rigged to the advantage of some participants at the expense of others.

Unreal that you can't grasp the simple, free market concept that all buyers and sellers should have knowledge of the product and price, and that they either agree on a deal, or they don't. You're advocating something, but you're not advocating a free market. You want to restrict access to the knowledge of the products offered, and so do the big ag corporations. They want to withhold certain information because they know some consumers will not buy GMO food.

This from Wiki on Free Markets:

Perfect information - All consumers and producers are assumed to have perfect knowledge of price, utility, quality and production methods of products.

And it's not just in Wiki. I learned it a few decades back in college econ courses.

18 posted on 09/24/2012 8:18:46 PM PDT by Will88
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Until you pay for both the product and that information, there is no sale and the product remains the property of the vendor.

And you've not only aligned yourself with Stalin and Mao, but also with Nancy Pelosi. Remember: "You'll have to pass the bill to find out what's in it"?

19 posted on 09/24/2012 8:27:26 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88; Dragonspirit; Carry_Okie

The U.S. Department of Agriculture as well as the California Department of Public Health already have the responsibility of assuring that food is healthy and safe. Voters don’t need to adopt additional oversight when there are existing public agencies funded to do that.

Consumers will be forced to bear the costs of the new requirements including costs of litigation brought on by lawyers lined up at the courthouse doors.

Half of all food products in the grocery store already contain genetically modified ingredients to no demonstrable ill effect on consumers.

If you want unmodified products you should shop at a natural foods market and spare the rest of us the expense of your purchasing decisions.


20 posted on 09/24/2012 8:38:33 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: CounterCounterCulture

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21 posted on 09/24/2012 9:55:08 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Will88
A couple of the requirements of a free market are that both the sellers and buyers have perfect knowledge as to product and price.

That is not a free market. In economics, it is a "perfect competition" model, a progressivist idea. Nice try.

That's a requirement of a free market along with many others.

Nonsense. You don't know what the paint formulation in your car is. You don't know what the plasticizers are. Nor do you know about how the accelerometers for your airbags work. You are full of it. You don't know how a free market works.

To the extent that participants choose to deviate from it, they are moving towards some sort of market rigged to the advantage of some participants at the expense of others.

Now you're sounding like a full blown Marxist instead of the Fabian socialist. You do know that your hero Teddy Roosevelt brought in his trustbusting game to the benefit of JP Morgan at the expense of Rockefeller? You do know that regulations exist to benefit the big players at the expense of their smaller competition? As I said, in a free enterprise system, there are plenty of ways to assure whatever you want to pay for.

Unreal that you can't grasp the simple, free market concept that all buyers and sellers should have knowledge of the product and price,

What you are talking about is physically impossible in practice, which is why it's called "perfect." In other words, what you are proposing as normal is in fact "unreal."

Perfect information - All consumers and producers are assumed to have perfect knowledge of price, utility, quality and production methods of products.

You just contradicted yourself, BTW, see if you can figure out why. And who enforces this wondrous idea if it isn't the almighty collective? That's why it is a socialist idea, and not at all conservative. Go peddle it where it will be appreciated.

22 posted on 09/24/2012 10:04:09 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: concentric circles; Will88
The U.S. Department of Agriculture as well as the California Department of Public Health already have the responsibility of assuring that food is healthy and safe.

That's the claim, but it is not a fact. What the USDA assures is that the producers have gone through the USDA hoops, and nothing more, and if you have ever qualified a product with them as I have, you'd really understand the distinction.

Worse, there is nothing in Article I Section 8 that empowers the Congress to assume that police power.

If you want unmodified products you should shop at a natural foods market and spare the rest of us the expense of your purchasing decisions.

He wants the service but doesn't want to pay for that extra cost, typical of the nanny state liberal he claims not to be.

23 posted on 09/24/2012 10:10:09 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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You’re posting such a mish mash of nonsense that it’s comical. You can’t see, or refuse to see, that the government intervention in the free market has already taken place. It took place, and often takes place, when producers of consumer products go to DC and buy and pay for enough representatives and senators to avoid reasonable labeling requirements about the products they sell.

You’ve gone off on all sorts of irrelevant tangents when all that is required is a simple disclosure about how food products were produced. We’re not talking about car paint formulations, but mostly about whether the corn used to make the tortilla chips was GMO or not.

Producers spend millions lobbying to escape any labeling requirement they think might cause some group of consumers to refrain from buying their products. That goes on all the time and this is just one of the more recent examples. The Big Government, Big Brother intervention in the free market has already taken place, and in this case it was an intervention to deny consumers perfectly reasonable information about products offered for sale.

And, yes, food producers know whether they are using GMO ingredients in foods that contain many ingredients.

Nothing could be simpler: put the simple disclosure on foods and let the consumers decide what they want to purchase. It’s called freedom. What you want is Big Brother style government intervention in the free market, which has already taken place where GMO foods are concerned.

And, no how much you dissemble and deny, perfect knowledge as to product and price are requirements of a free market.
And disclosures about paint formulations are probably available at some point in the distribution chain.


24 posted on 09/25/2012 5:35:40 AM PDT by Will88
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Nobody else is laughing here. Some are telling you to desist with your tyrannical preferences.

You can’t see, or refuse to see, that the government intervention in the free market has already taken place.

I wrote a whole book about it, idiot, because I SEE where it leads, long before you ever will. You're braiding the rope to wrap around your neck. So get used to crawling on all fours serf.

You’ve gone off on all sorts of irrelevant tangents when all that is required is a simple disclosure about how food products were produced.

I'll bet you are perfectly happy to buy a great many food products that you have no idea how they are made. Ever heard of a "secret recipe"?

We’re not talking about car paint formulations, but mostly about whether the corn used to make the tortilla chips was GMO or not.

Paint can kill or injure you, just like bad food can. You can't see what is in it. That GMO is likely to be a proprietary product.

Producers spend millions lobbying to escape any labeling requirement they think might cause some group of consumers to refrain from buying their products.

So what? They paid many more millions to produce those products and don't want people to steal them. Your option is to pay them what it is worth to tell you what you want to know about the product when you buy it. You want to get government to take that information by force and give it to you for free.

And, yes, food producers know whether they are using GMO ingredients in foods that contain many ingredients.

Insipid comment.

And, no how much you dissemble and deny, perfect knowledge as to product and price are requirements of a free market.

No, it isn't. Trade secrets are part of any free market because they are a matter of PROPERTY RIGHTS. You don't like private property rights, so you build a government capable of forcing you to tell them everything about what you do and where you go and who you do business with and how you do it. Then you sell yourself as a "conservative."

Pathetic.

25 posted on 09/25/2012 7:24:06 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

bttt


26 posted on 09/25/2012 8:16:18 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Also on the California ballot:

http://www.americaspartynews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=24433&posts=5&start=1


27 posted on 09/25/2012 8:22:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (If your only choice is evil, you've either died and gone to hell, or you're a Republican.)
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I wrote a whole book about it, idiot, because I SEE where it leads, long before you ever will. You're braiding the rope to wrap around your neck. So get used to crawling on all fours serf.

Lol, now you resort to childish name calling. And there have been countless books published that are filled with nonsense. So what if you wrote a book.

You are one of the most illogical posters I've encountered here. You constantly take off on irrelevant tangents. I'll say it one more time and end this pointless exchange:

Knowledge as to price and product are requirements of a free market. Accurately describe the product and let the potential consumers decide what they want to buy, or not.

Some folks just can't stand freedom.

28 posted on 09/25/2012 8:55:35 AM PDT by Will88
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“Some folks just can’t stand freedom.”

LOL. You have drunk the Koolaid and come out the other side of Orwell professing that slavery is freedom.


29 posted on 09/25/2012 10:25:54 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (How humanitarian are "leaders" who back Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases?)
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LOL. You have drunk the Koolaid and come out the other side of Orwell professing that slavery is freedom.

You describe yourself. Buyers and sellers in a free market with information about the price and quality of the products is freedom. Free to sell or not sell. Free to buy or not buy.

What you call freedom is nothing but crony capitalism, with government meddling in the market to protect the interests of those making the biggest campaign contributions, allowing them to withhold basic information about the products they offer for sale, information which they know would cause some potential buyers to refrain from buying their products.

But, hey, they sure fooled you.

30 posted on 09/25/2012 10:39:26 AM PDT by Will88
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You said all that already. Don’t bother repeating yourself further. But I see low likelihood you’ll take that advice. Parrots can hardly be held accountable for how their owners trained them.


31 posted on 09/25/2012 1:46:11 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (How humanitarian are "leaders" who back Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases?)
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Lol, and you’ve done nothing but dish out cliches and childish insults.


32 posted on 09/26/2012 4:55:07 AM PDT by Will88
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33 posted on 09/27/2012 2:48:12 AM PDT by ChowChowFace
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Thanks!!!


34 posted on 09/27/2012 9:58:36 AM PDT by twistedwrench
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Una Mas bump.....McClintock’s judgement is generally among the best.


35 posted on 09/27/2012 5:31:18 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (No tagline until JR gets the snail out of this site....as he promised moons ago.)
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To: concentric circles

I don’t trust the government to assure me things are safe.

I want to see the bottom line and labelling requirements ensure that so I support them. “No demonstratable ill effects”? That is trusting nanny government to make sure things are fine rather than letting me.


36 posted on 09/27/2012 6:52:10 PM PDT by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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To: Dragonspirit

Do you really think a label assures accuracy? Do you honestly believe that a product is pure because a label says so? Do you really want all your friends and neighbors to foot the bill so you can indulge your quest for the grail of purity. I urge you to find a market or co-op that takes the time to investigate the producers it buys from and leave the rest of us alone to make our own purchasing decisions.


37 posted on 09/27/2012 7:34:25 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: concentric circles

I am fine with you being free to purchase as you wish, it is you that is trying to dissuade me from having full information on what I wish to purchase. If you don’t care that you may be deceived as to what you purchase or you simply put your faith in government agencies over objective labelling to protect you, then that is your business/problem. I however require honest and unobscured information. I trust my individual judgment over a nanny government agency.


38 posted on 10/02/2012 4:42:44 PM PDT by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

bttt


39 posted on 10/04/2012 9:18:15 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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40 posted on 10/05/2012 6:30:52 PM PDT by 444Flyer
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41 posted on 10/07/2012 3:08:56 PM PDT by EveningStar
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Thanks so much for this, I will print this out and take it with me on election day!


42 posted on 10/07/2012 3:12:16 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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43 posted on 10/07/2012 7:35:22 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

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44 posted on 10/30/2012 8:52:58 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Thanks for posting. Tom is from my home town so I’ve followed him for years. If California were sane, he would be our governor instead of the last two idiots we’ve had, especially Brown.

Used this list to fill out Sample Ballot for ME and my family — four voters in all.


45 posted on 11/02/2012 8:33:54 AM PDT by Bon of Babble (The Road to Ruin is Always Kept in Good Repair)
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46 posted on 11/05/2012 7:35:24 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

BUMP for today!


47 posted on 11/06/2012 7:35:51 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

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48 posted on 11/06/2012 11:17:29 AM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I voted NO on proposition 35 human trafficking.

I don't have anything against harsher penalties for human traffickers. I just resent having to vote on something like this.

If people want harsher penalties, then introduce a bill in the Legislature, debate it, and vote on it.

Why do I have to do it?

-PJ

49 posted on 11/06/2012 11:36:04 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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BUMP for TODAY’S VOTING


50 posted on 11/06/2012 12:41:05 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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