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A SARS-like Virus Has Been Detected In The Middle East
TBI ^ | 9-24-2012 | Joshua Berlinger

Posted on 09/24/2012 2:45:26 PM PDT by blam

A SARS-like Virus Has Been Detected In The Middle East

Joshua Berlinger
September 24, 2012

Health experts are monitoring a SARS-like virus that has killed one individual and hospitalized another in the Middle East.

The World Health Organization (WHO) said on Monday that the 49-year-old Qatari man was admitted to an intensive care unit in Doha on September 7, suffering from "acute respiratory infection and kidney failure" after traveling to Saudi Arabia. He was transferred to Britain by air ambulance on September 11.

The British Health Protection Agency also released a statement on Sunday addressing the infections.

The WHO said virus samples from the patient in the UK are almost identical to those of a 60-year-old Saudi Arabian man who was infected — and died — earlier this year, according to the AP.

Like SARS, the virus in question is of the coronavirus family, but "this new virus, however, is different from any that have previously been identified in humans," according to the HPA.

“It’s still very early days,” said Gregory Hartl, a WHO spokesman, told Time . “At the moment we have two sporadic cases and there are still a lot of holes to be filled in.”

The AP also reports: "Health officials don't know yet whether the virus could spread as rapidly as SARS did or if it might kill as many people."

The 2003 SARS epidemic killed approximately 800 people, mostly in Asia.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: diseases; microbiology; sars; virology; virus; who
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1 posted on 09/24/2012 2:45:34 PM PDT by blam
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To: Smokin' Joe; SunkenCiv

Ping.


2 posted on 09/24/2012 2:46:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Is it endemic in goats?

Just askin’.....


3 posted on 09/24/2012 2:51:00 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (You didn't build that. The private sector is doing fine. We tried our plan and it worked.)
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To: blam
Be sure to tell them that all antibiotics, pain medications, and medial procedures that will keep them alive were developed by Jews.
4 posted on 09/24/2012 2:57:40 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: blam

It’s in the Muslim world. They will need to be quarantined for the next 100 years.


5 posted on 09/24/2012 3:04:03 PM PDT by lurk
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To: blam

We had to try something since our foreign aids program in the muzzies is a failure.


6 posted on 09/24/2012 3:05:37 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: blam
“At the moment we have two sporadic cases and there are still a lot of holes to be filled in.”

Watch your language!

7 posted on 09/24/2012 3:34:56 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: bigheadfred
A series of great hanta virus epidemics started up in the Americas maybe a full decade ~ maybe two ~ before Columbus arrived. Within 150 years the native American Indian population was reduced by about 95%.

And, the immigrant European and African populations were cut down just as bad ~ once the plague stopped the Europeans and Africans swarmed over both continents with ease since they had bulging populations back home that could relocate here and fill the gap.

Eventually something like that will happen to the Middle Eastern urban populations proving one more time why all succeeding empires in the region have brought with them peculiar beliefs and customs typical of a couple of tribes of Bedouin.

It's good to hang around the goats and sheep apparently.

Now, a good question ~ will this interrupt the flow of gas and oil? The answer is, of course, no, because the Western world has invented a successful environmental safety suit which will allow a limited number of trusted people to go in and repair the valves as needed.

8 posted on 09/24/2012 3:37:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

Ping...(Thanks, blam!)


9 posted on 09/24/2012 3:40:16 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: lurk

It appears million of Muslims are afflicted with some disease called Murderitis where they seek to kill everyone who isn’t a Muslim. Many times even if they’re Muslims. These murderous fiends either have to be quarantined or erased from the surface of the earth.


10 posted on 09/24/2012 3:52:58 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: muawiyah

Sooo... The ME has a burgeoning vermin population that will wipe them all out?

And if some plague hits it will really wipe them out?

I like it.


11 posted on 09/24/2012 4:50:12 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: blam; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

?coronavirus family? I thought alcohol was banned. Thanks blam.


12 posted on 09/24/2012 4:58:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

“Like SARS, the virus in question is of the coronavirus family, but “this new virus, however, is different from any that have previously been identified in humans,” according to the HPA.”

Quite frankly, Muslims are inhuman, so that must explain it.


13 posted on 09/24/2012 5:02:19 PM PDT by dforest
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To: SunkenCiv
Stellllllaaaa...


14 posted on 09/24/2012 5:09:02 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: muawiyah
"A series of great hanta virus epidemics started up in the Americas maybe a full decade ~ maybe two ~ before Columbus arrived. Within 150 years the native American Indian population was reduced by about 95%."

Historical Review: Megadrought And Megadeath In 16th Century Mexico (Hemorrhagic Fever)

15 posted on 09/24/2012 5:43:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

Ping...(Thanks, blam!)


16 posted on 09/24/2012 5:50:23 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: bigheadfred

That’s gotta be the best drunk-bellow name, ever — “Stellllaaaaaah!” Can’t really count Wilma (Flintstone), because afawk, Fred never got drunk.

I wonder if Bishop’s Finger is more, or less, popular over there?


17 posted on 09/24/2012 6:55:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam; All

Probably ought to fire this up to post to everybody ~ http://article.wn.com/view/2012/09/07/West_Virginia_resident_latest_death_linked_to_Yosemite_hanta/ ~ and, tonight, on the local CBS affiliate the news was a Fairfax County resident was among the current number of fatalities ~ and that’s America’s RICHEST COUNTY so if it can kill those people it can kill anybody. Kill all chipmonks BTW.


18 posted on 09/24/2012 8:10:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: YHAOS

LOL!

But this is a serious story. There are reports of such a virus in England as well.


19 posted on 09/24/2012 10:21:48 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: blam

They already have to deal with another virus, Islam.


20 posted on 09/24/2012 10:22:40 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: Smokin' Joe; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Global2010; Battle Axe; null and void; ...
Washington state’s first ‘zombie bees’ reported; parasite causes bees to fly erratically, die

FReepmail me if you want on or off my combined microbiology/immunology ping list.

21 posted on 09/24/2012 11:08:36 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

I bet they still vote Democrat...


22 posted on 09/24/2012 11:31:46 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

...the zombie bees, that is...


23 posted on 09/24/2012 11:32:39 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: blam; Smokin' Joe; SunkenCiv; James Oscar

Here is an old thread on SARS, HIV, etc. “Mother Abigal posted a long time ago (2003?) about SARS. This thread is a history and interviews of her by a Freeper “James Oscar”. It starts off a bit disjointed, but as it continues you get into the flow of the interview. Post 91 has her chilling remarks about “how will we know?”

Paraphrased: “It will come out of Egypt. When you hear leave to your refuge - self-service gas, no contact with others.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2820204/posts

THE COMING WAVE
(An Interview With Mother Abigail)
posted by James Oscar

Some excerpts:

It was the Ides of March, late in the night - on the hottest conservative forum on the Internet - that she appeared.

In an obscure section of that web site she posted a cryptically titled thread, made a comment about Ebola, a comment about God and then posted an advisory about a “worldwide health threat.”

In a section that had seen only seven threads in the past seven days, she wove a strange, exotic and haunting thread for two days.

Then on the 17th of March she posted the first of 20 highly technical medical threads about the SARS outbreak - and over the next eleven days guided both lay and professionals, transformed the web site, crushed the paradigm and changed the way we interface with breaking news forever.

Oh, and there is that strange aspect of her name.

Every literate person on the Web knew and understood, not only what it meant, but the endless nuances that lay associated with that name, in this context.

She signed on as Mother Abigail.
*********************

Post 55: Q: MA I know that you don’t like to talk about the SARS threads, but I have so many emails since I wrote the original article several years ago that I feel obligated to try and relay a few of those questions to you. Would you mind?

MA: Oh, I suppose not.

Q: Mostly people want to know about your original post “Precognition” where you originally alerted the Internet about the unexplained pneumonia cases in China.

Why did you choose to use Free Republic as the vehicle to post that thread?

MA: Well it is not as complicated as it may seem. I do not have a computer and use WebTv on my TV to read the Internet. And Free Republic is one of the few sites that is workable on WebTv. Most of the others have too much junk and are really not compatible.

Q: And you chose to post on SARS because?

MA: Fear son. It is hard to imagine how little we knew and how exponentially this threat grew in the first few days. I doubt anyone realizes just how mobilized and cooperative the scientific community was during that first week. I felt everyone needed to know what was transpiring in real time. And for an epidemiologist this was one very bad bug with a ticket to ride right into our West Coast.

***************************

MA: Just about, the only addition I would add is that once the new bug creates this “soup” in the lungs - with each cough or sneeze this deadly pathogen is sent on an airborne journey looking for a healthy lung to infect..

Q: OK, I see all that and I understand why you have been so concerned about doing anything that might increase the chance of the virus mutating.

But, what I don’t really see is this - Say it happens as you say, somewhere in Russia or China the virus is successful in breaking out and infecting a patient, his family and even some health care workers - wouldn’t it quickly be quarantined and controlled? Even SARS can be contained.

MA: Yes were there to be an isolated breakout and the proper barrier nursing techniques could be initiated, then the prognosis would be for containment. But that is not to be the case.

Q: I don’t understand what you mean.

MA: There is a very unusual phenomena in the world of Virology called “coincidental spontaneous mutation”. We use this term to describe an event where the same mutation breaks out in multiple locations in the same time frame.

The causality of this event is highly debated but the phenomena is well documented.

Q: Recently?

87 posted on Friday, December 16, 2011 6:43:21 AM by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar
Page #63

MA: Very recently. In 2009 there was an event that occurred concerning the H1N1 novel virus that should have sounded the alarm bells for all those who are watching these pandemics.

There was a mutation of the H1N1 virus that occurred in Brazil, China, Japan, Mexico, Ukraine, and the United States. The mutation is called H1N1/D225G.
.......

What we experienced was soon repeated again when clusters of Tamiflu resistance patients appeared in Wales and North Carolina. These patients all acquired an identical change in the H1N1 virus - yet lived a world apart.

It is not a new phenomena. There have been many reports, historically, about bugs acquiring resistance seemingly overnight. Again, the mechanism for this type of event are completely unknown to us. There are so many things that occur in our physical world that seem bewildering - yet commonplace.

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POST 89:

Q: Well yes, there is something in your tale that seems, to me, believable. I am forced, for the first time, to ask myself “could it really happen?” And viewing your past history of remarkable calls in the field of Virology - I would prefer not to answer that question. It is the knowledge that I would rather avoid that question that frightens me.

MA: I can understand your concern. There is a certain rhythm to life and many times it seems to telegraph the direction that it is moving in.

We are often just passengers on this cosmic train and that knowledge can be a bit unsettling.

Let’s have a drink and take a break for a moment.

Q: She must have seen that I was not quite all there. My mind was going over this new revelation. I had no idea that organisms could change so quickly and in concert of all things. It was the piece of the puzzle that never seemed quite right.

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Q: MA, are you saying that there are to be multiple simultaneous mutations worldwide?

MA: Yes.

Q: And I assume this large scale outbreak is what overpowers the health care systems?

MA: There will never be a real opportunity for containment. This is not Hollywood. No hero will develop a magical antidote just in time to save the beautiful woman. No, this event is of such a consequence that, by the time the scale is apparent, the issue will be settled.

Because the virus is airborne the first three days of outbreaks will saturate such a large population that all the wheels will rapidly come off even the best health care systems. The first task will be to understand what is happening and it will, all to rapidly, become apparent that it is a very hot bug and that it is pandemic.

But by the time the extent of what has happened is well known - there will be no recourse.

Child, there is no recourse even now. We cannot kill this creature. We have only kept it at bay for these many years and that era of detente is rapidly ending.

Q: But MA, you make it sound so hopeless. How could you believe such a thing?

MA: There are things that I believe and things that I know. This virus and its coming change are something I know. I know in detail and specificity that defies all common understanding - yet my knowledge remains.

And now you know.

89 posted on Friday, December 16, 2011 6:45:52 AM by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar
This outbreak is of a different scale. The penetration of the virus into human culture and population, the speed of the spread of the airborne variant, and the closeness of human contact in our modern age are all factors that, except for a few isolated pockets, mark the end of the rise of Homo Sapien Sapien.

It is very close to an extinction event.

Q: You say isolated pockets?

MA: Yes, there will be those few who, at first report of the strange deaths, will depart immediately to a place they have chosen and stocked with provisions. This will not be groups but the next step down - families.

This place will have ample water and be so removed from human contact that the virus will burn through our species without finding them in their place of refuge.

It will be these families that must carry on with our hopes and dreams of better days.

This is not an easy concept to understand but in all this trauma and tragedy - there is transformation. A sort of genetic winnowing and even, in the macro sense, a choosing.

For those who are awaiting this event, and child do not be deceived, they are many in many lands. These coming events are not unknown. They have a feeling, a premonition, a precognition of what lies ahead. It is growing in their hearts and they will not hesitate to flee at that crucial moment when flight and isolation are still possible.

Q: Precognition?

MA: Yes. We have spent a very long time discussing how in our species there is a range of abilities in the area of perception. Perception will be the only determinant in this bottleneck.

The time is so close that most of the staging for the refuge will have started long ago. They have chosen their spot, they are stocking the larder and they only wait. For they also know.

It is our time and as difficult as it may be, this is what we will do.

Q: Will you go to the lake?

MA: No, I am a doctor and I will serve in that capacity as best I can. This is my home and I am happy with my life’s work and I am at peace with my Lord. In this small town we will do what we can against a foe that carries only darkness and finality.

90 posted on Friday, December 16, 2011 6:47:12 AM by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar
Page #66

Q: But the towns will fail?

MA: All groups, towns, villages and cites will fail. There is no refuge in these places. Only death.

Q: Do you mean that there are other people who believe this is coming and are ready to flee to some place out in the boonies and just wait for it all to pass?

MA: Yes, exactly that.

Q: We just looked at each other for a bit. I saw in her both relief and contentment. She seemed very much at peace on the cold November night.

You are glad to have told me, aren’t you?

MA: Very glad. It has come full circle now and what you write will give comfort and hope to so many folks who often wonder if their thoughts are dark because of an emptiness in their heart or because the future is dark.

To them your words will be a soothing balm.

Q: Well MA that is a lot to ask from a guy like me, I will certainly do my best to represent your thoughts accurately, but I just don’t know about all that other stuff.

MA: I am certain that you will do your best. This is your calling. You have come a long way from my garden at the lake and I am very proud of you. Do not worry, just write it as you remember.

Q: I have one last question before I go, how will these folks know. Are you going to write, or will it be on the news or what?

MA: That is to be easy. All the systems are now in place. The Internet is here, the pandemic blogs are all up and watching and we only wait. It will be out of Egypt, because of the powerful infrastructure watching for H5N1 outbreaks, where most people will hear the first news. When you hear of the sudden outbreak in Egypt, leave immediately. Use only self service gas pumps, do not stop and do not have any human contact from that point on.

If you are alone, or with your family run to a refuge. Wait for it to burn out. Be patient and then patient some more. Let the darkness pass over the earth. It will be quicker than any Hollywood disaster movie could ever portray. But it will pass.

Q: Well that is pretty clear. Egypt huh?

MA: That is where you will first know.

Q: I looked at my drink and the ice had all melted. I was not sure what time it was or how long we had been talking, but I was mentally and physically exhausted. I let out a big sigh.

MA: Would you like a drink?

Q: No thank you. I am about done. It has been such a long day and there is so much to consider that I best get back to the hotel and rest. I leave for the coast tomorrow and right now the bed sounds very appealing.

MA: Are you satisfied that we have covered your questions?

Q: Absolutely, it was important to have this day. All the hard things needed to be said and understood. You have laid it out for me in the most basic way possible. Now I can write the ending knowing I am being true to what you believe. I think that is what I really wanted.

MA: I do as well.

Q: I can never thank you enough for spending all the time with me and giving my readers an opportunity to share in your vision and thoughts. You have been very kind to me.

MA: It was my great pleasure.

Q: I rose and gathered my coat walking to the door. As we stood at that door, I felt I might never see her again and it pained me in a very deep place. She took my hand in her badly shaped right hand and held it for a moment smiling. We only said good night, and I was gone.

Out on the street I walked. without thoughts, to my car in the dark. It was bitterly cold.

91 posted on Friday, December 16, 2011 6:48:42 AM by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

THE COMING WAVE

HISTORICAL URLS

MARCH 14, 2003 - MOTHER ABIGAIL’S FAMOUS POST “PRECOGNITION”

LINK

MARCH 17, 2003 - THE FIRST OF MA’s 20 MEDICAL THREADS ON SARS

LINK

MARCH 26, 2003 - MOTHER ABIGAIL SIGNS OFF ON THE SARS THREADS

LINK

April 26, 2004 - MOTHER ABIGAIL POINTS THE FINGER AT FRUIT BATS AS THE EBOLA HOST RESERVOIR

LINK

JANUARY 9, 2007 - MY FIRST POST OF THE ARTICLE “EXPLORING THE NEW MEDIA’S EVOLUTIONARY PATH - BIRTH OF THE FLU BLOG” ON THE WEB

LINK

OCTOBER 9, 2007 - MOTHER ABIGAIL POSTS HER THEORY THAT “R. AEGYPTIACUS” IS THE HOST RESERVOIR FOR EBOLA

LINK

OCTOBER 2, 2009 - SCIENTISTS PROVE MOTHER ABIGAIL’S THEORY ON R. AEGYPTIACUS IS CORRECT

LINK

JULY 2009 - DISCUSSION THREAD WITH LOTS OF ILLUSTRATIONS AND DETAILS ABOUT MY INTERVIEWS WITH MOTHER ABIGAIL

LINK

92 posted on Friday, December 16, 2011 6:51:27 AM by James Oscar
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24 posted on 09/24/2012 11:35:09 PM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: BlackVeil

see my post 24. A sort of odd story, but very readable once you get into it. “Mother Abigal” (freeper) in the original thread talks about how in the past, the really bad viruses pop up in different parts of the world at the same time - yet unrelated by transmission.


25 posted on 09/24/2012 11:38:20 PM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: blam
I pray this gentleman does not have the same problem...Prayer needed for a Soldier
26 posted on 09/24/2012 11:41:38 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: blam; James Oscar

http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=1277

Site mentioned in old thread by James Oscar on tracking flu in Egypt. 4000 recently hospitalized.


27 posted on 09/24/2012 11:43:31 PM PDT by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: Nailbiter

bflr


28 posted on 09/24/2012 11:51:10 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: neverdem; blam; 21twelve

Thanks for the ping; thread; posts.

life/health BUMP!


29 posted on 09/25/2012 12:05:55 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: 21twelve

Monsanto has for decades been attempting to spread genetically modified organisms in the food crops. To me, it is only natural that we should have genetically modified viruses appear also. It takes time for the human system to build up auto-immunities against these type of for lack of a better word, ‘bacterias’.


30 posted on 09/25/2012 7:36:23 AM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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To: BlackVeil

Yes. It is a serious story.


31 posted on 09/25/2012 9:07:37 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: PGalt

Are there actual links to any of these threads? Or somewhere they can still be read?


32 posted on 09/25/2012 4:21:17 PM PDT by FrogMom (Chicken Little is coming, and he's right!)
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To: FrogMom
Here are a couple of links:

PANDEMIC FLU INFORMATION FORUM

THE COMING WAVE
33 posted on 09/25/2012 6:46:44 PM PDT by PA Engineer (What if the rabbit hole is endless?)
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To: PA Engineer; FrogMom; All

Thanks PA Engineer. I hadn’t seen any links to the conversation with Oscar/Abigail, FrogMom.

Health/life BUMP!


34 posted on 09/25/2012 7:11:33 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: PA Engineer

Thanks, PA E. I’m STILL reading!


35 posted on 09/28/2012 6:20:25 AM PDT by FrogMom (Chicken Little is coming, and he's right!)
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