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San Francisco To Vote On Apartments The Size Of Two Prison Cells [Hope and Change?]
NBCNews ^ | September 24, 2012

Posted on 09/24/2012 7:15:27 PM PDT by Steelfish

San Francisco To Vote On Apartments The Size Of Two Prison Cells

San Francisco may soon give new meaning to the word "downsizing." Supervisors are set to vote on Tuesday on a proposed change to the city's building code that would allow construction of among the tiniest apartments in the country.

Under the plan, new apartments could be as small as 220 square feet (a little more than double the size of some prison cells), including a kitchen, bathroom and closet, the Los Angeles Times reported. Current regulations require the living room alone to be that size.

Schematics for 300-square-foot units planned for San Francisco's South of Market neighborhood include window seats that turn into spare beds and beds that turn into tables.

Proponents say the smaller apartments would provide a cheaper option for the city's many single residents, who have been priced out of the rental market as the region experiences a resurgent technology industry.

San Francisco apartments rented for an average of $2,734 in June, up 13 percent from a year ago, according to the research firm, RealFacts. The micro-units, in contrast, are expected to rent for $1,200 to $1,700 a month, San Francisco Supervisor Scott Wiener told the Los Angeles Times. Wiener drafted the legislation for the smaller apartments.

It allows them to accommodate up to two people and requires an additional 100 square feet of space for each occupant above that number.

"Although in our fantasy world everyone would live in a single-family home or a huge spacious flat, the reality of life is that not everyone can afford that," Wiener said.

(Excerpt) Read more at bottomline.nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; downsizing; hypocrisy; occupysanfrancisco; sanfrancisco
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To: Sporke

Do you have urinary problems? 3 bedroom, 8.5 bath house lol


41 posted on 09/24/2012 8:23:02 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
I certainly meant no offense.

I have several friends that live in Manhattan. Well actually one did move to a cheaper area. I have gone to visit and they tell me availability of apartments is an issue. I guess do the area I live in, the prices seem exorbitant. Much like the west coast.

I see you didn't mention the location or monthly rental of the 1,000 ft apartment. I am genuinely curious...what is it if you don't mind sharing?

42 posted on 09/24/2012 8:23:19 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Steelfish

I recently read an article similar to this. For New York City.

Is this part of Agenda 21? Seems like it would fit.


43 posted on 09/24/2012 8:24:13 PM PDT by upchuck (If nobama is reelected and gets to choose more SCOTUS judges, this country is finished.)
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To: Steelfish
300 square feet? Sheesh, a veritable palace. San Fran has a long way to go to catch up to Tokyo...


44 posted on 09/24/2012 8:30:33 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: When do we get liberated?

lol


45 posted on 09/24/2012 8:41:17 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Steelfish

Movin on up, to the eastside!


46 posted on 09/24/2012 8:42:26 PM PDT by FishinTX (Barak Obama HATES you.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

The Little Government That Could

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXlMFWmotSU


47 posted on 09/24/2012 8:43:26 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Future prisons?


48 posted on 09/24/2012 8:47:57 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Steelfish

Had a friend who.lived in a place like that in Sunnyvale.


49 posted on 09/24/2012 8:49:07 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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90 sq feet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZSdrtEqcHU

450 sq feet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RbxkrmuQ5E

Living in a garbage truck: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxzBkz6a_g&feature=related

I agree with a previous poster that big cities used to have rooming houses where a single person could live at reasonable rates. Those are pretty much gone. Besides, no one has a gun to your head.


50 posted on 09/24/2012 8:59:30 PM PDT by radiohead (Buy ammo, store food, pray for the Republic.)
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To: Steelfish

Why not sell people campers which are about that size and more ingenious with the usage of space? Pluse they can easily move to where jobs are plentiful

These tiny apartments are not much different than in the old days people living in boarding houses or domitories. This was a living arrangement for people just getting started out in life where they could have a decent roof over their heads for a small cost while they worked to move up to better more spacious housing housing.

Boarding houses were a good free market solution to a housing problem that zoning made ILLEGAL.


51 posted on 09/24/2012 9:10:06 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Leaning Right

Most cities used zoning to ban boarding houses

Boarding houses were a smart free market solution to housing for people just starting out or who might be taking temporary work

My great grandfather lived in a boarding house when he was an apprentice machinist and he met his future wife who was living about a block away. They attended the same church which was about a block away from both.


52 posted on 09/24/2012 9:16:21 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Steelfish
Idea: Convert ISO shipping containers into modular apartments (it has been done for both living accommodations and offices). These containers are strong and standardized. The are meant to be stacked and have built-in lifting eyes.

Containers come in standard lengths of 20’, 40’, 48’, and 53’. Widths are 8’. Heights are 8’ (standard), 8.5’ (high cube), and 9.5’ (high cube). Using either the 48’x8’ or 53’x8' containers, one can have a 384 sq. ft. or 424 sq. ft. living area. If the 9.5’ high containers are used, this comes to 3,648 cu. ft. or 4,028 cu. ft. respectively.

Decommissioned containers are readily available and have been accumulating in many port facilities. Average cost of a decommissioned container is $5,000-$7,000. Containers can be trucked to a site, converted to an apartment with all amenities and conveniences added, then trucked to a build site where they are assembled into a very strong and secure apartment block.

53 posted on 09/24/2012 9:17:17 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: BobL

Thank you. People love zoning when it is enforcing what they think is good for other people.


54 posted on 09/24/2012 9:20:08 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Steelfish

S.F.s next space saving plan. Graves 4’ wide 7’ long and 2500’ deep.

Rack ‘em and stack ‘em.

Save bunches of room.


55 posted on 09/24/2012 9:32:18 PM PDT by Holly_P
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To: Steelfish

Too many rats in small spaces is disaster waiting to happen. I believe they know this and are just hoping violence starts so they can start clamping down.


56 posted on 09/24/2012 9:59:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Sporke

How many apartments have “adequate” noise protection?

None I have ever lived in. And the cheaper they are the more certain it is they won’t.


57 posted on 09/24/2012 10:00:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: 2111USMC

Our concepts of personal space are larger here as well. People here are a lot louder overall too. More obnoxious and not caring about disrupting others.


58 posted on 09/24/2012 10:02:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Seeing that this is their long term goal, you ought to oppose it now for that reason.


59 posted on 09/24/2012 10:04:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: rockinqsranch

$1700 a month for 200 sq ft isn’t my definition of cheap rent.


60 posted on 09/24/2012 10:05:32 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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