Skip to comments.NFL losing credibility with each blown call by replacement refs
Posted on 09/25/2012 12:43:15 AM PDT by Zakeet
Monday's debacle only crystallizes what was already clear: NFL's substitute officials are a joke, and it's time for Commissioner Roger Goodell to end lockout.
Hail Mary. Holy hell.
On the final play of the final game of one of the most shameful weekends in NFL history, a last-gasp pass from the Seattle Seahawks fell from the sky into the arms of the Green Bay Packers on Monday night.
Touchdown, Seattle. Chaos, NFL.
Three weeks of gross incompetence by unqualified replacement officials crystallized in two moments Monday night that pushed the league's integrity to the brink.
In one moment, Packers safety M.D. Jennings clearly intercepted a final-play pass while falling upon Seahawks receiver Golden Tate in the end zone, preserving an apparent 12-7 Green Bay win.
In the next moment, the replacement officials ruled that Tate had made the catch, and upheld that ruling after replay review, giving the Seahawks a 14-12 victory.
Said Packers Coach Mike McCarthy: "I've never seen anything like that in all my years in football."
Hall of Fame quarterback Troy Aikman tweeted: "These games are a joke."
It's finally happened. After three weeks of forgetting the rules, losing track of the ball, and haphazardly administering this country's national pastime as if they were salesmen on vacation from Foot Locker, the replacement officials have finally done serious, irrevocable damage. The arrogant NFL's middle-school and small-college substitutes for the locked-out regular officials have finally, actually, literally made one wrong call that decided the outcome of a game.
It was one of the worst calls in the history of the league, yet it might turn out to be one of the best calls if humiliated Commissioner Roger Goodell was listening to the message it sent.
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Even our guys aren't that bad ... probably ... if you ignore most of our mistakes ... and give us some more time to really screw things up!
This bad call was very high profile but there were others that went against Seattle and helped GB. Who knows how the game would have gone if everything was called properly? All the games I saw this weekend had bad calls and bad no calls in them. As much as I griped about the NFL refs last season, the NFL needs to get the regular refs back ASAP. If they do not, I can see a franchise player getting injured because these replacement refs cannot control the games. I wonder how happy the sports books are with this situation?
LOL. I haven't thought to check the betting lines against the outcomes of the games, have you?
No. I haven’t either.
I’m more concerned about the blown calls by our White House.
Florida chad counters ? ... is this whom the Democrats will hire to count the votes this year ?
I believe ref’s are graded after each game. How does the present grading compare with historic grading? If there really is a problem, it will be readily apparent.
Yeah it was a bad call, but I love it when Packer fans get screwed.
I don’t get it. The call was booth reviewed, and the refs in the booth are the same guys who’re always there. They’re not on strike. It had to slip last them, too.
I have a feeling people are connecting stray dots just to have something to jaw about. Every week every season is “craziest week ever,” and every blown call the stupidest reffing ever. Had scrub refs called Tom Brady’s Tuck Rule Game or that Calvin Johnson “complete the process” fiasco we’d say ut was because the real refs were missing.
Item (2) is particularly important because once that happens, the NFL has effectively become the equivalent of professional wrestling. Personally, I don't care all that much either way -- because I think the NFL game is so contrived that it may as well be WWF wrestling anyway.
OK, here is my view. Although it is a game, a high stakes one at that, it is still a game. After watching three weeks of as many games as I can, I made the statement to my wife last night that if and when the Professional Referees (which there are none) come back to the game, it will get boring.
I make that statement about the Professional Referees because whenever someone does a story about one, he does something else full time as his profession, or retired from a full time profession or has the liberties of that profession to be able to follow his passion for the game to call the games. Even at that, I do not say they don’t strive to do their job in a professional manner, which they and lots of other part time people do.
So there you have it, they are out on strike because they cannot get a pension for a part time job? Let’s get real now. Maybe some of them do nothing else, but I would wager they also have retied from a professional career just the same.
What we have here is some other refs of lesser experience of the quickness of the big leagues were called upon to keep the game going while the dispute is negotiated, and eventually it will be negotiated. Just as we do in racing, everyone loves to get the new guy official because he is not going to see or know all of the details that teams pull to gain the advantage. This is no different in that the players and the coaches are using the inexperience, and to some degree the intimidating factor, of all of a sudden being in the big leagues while not under the guidance and leadership to train under the “Professional Referees”.
The bottom line is that everyone is gaming the situation and it is mostly just the same as political theater and professionals just gaming the game. As I said, when they come back, it is going to be boring. What is the alternative, no games at all? What about all of the people who derive their livelihoods on the games going on? The players, coaches and staff will all get paid, the only ones who would suffer are the other part-timers, fans and advertisers and their employees. I’m sure there are more but that was just off the top of my pointed little head.
I see every coach and many players using their inexperience to intimidate these stand-ins because they know they can intimidate them. When these stand-ins are under the tremendous pressure they are, they will make mistakes and that is just human nature.
So I say to the NFL, get off the pot and negotiate in good faith with the regular refs and quit the stupid game of one upmanship. Good grief, if it is for the integrity of the game, you can afford it. The refs work extra hours to do the games because they love the game. The players and coaches love the game, the fans love the game as well as all those who profit monetarily. So do the right thing and cut the part timers in on the game as well. The brand of the NFL is suffering all the while you are nickel and dime stupid issue to begin with just to show how strong you are.
BS! The Union thug boss for the REFS is trying to negotiate $10,000 each ref, each game...no way are the owners going to concede to that!
These guys referee these games as a hobby in their own time. They all have other jobs, some quite lucrative. I say Goodell break the union, tell these jokers to take a hike!
So there you have it, they are out on strike because they cannot get a pension for a part time job?
Agree! Most of the union covered NFL refs have/or had other jobs. Why are they making an average of $70k a year for doing their work at 16 games (that’s $4-5k per game) and, if they are graded well, more games into the playoffs with an even higher pay per game.
The BIG question is: Why are NFL field officials even unionized? .......Doesn’t that just open the door to union corruption in the gambling industry, by impacting the games’ outcomes through crucial calls on the field?
Like Ref's have not on their own blown calls? ,p> How do you think the public demanded instant replay?
Ref's blew so many calls
It was bad enough for the end-of-game call to be made like it was.
It was even worse when it wasn’t overturned after review.
It was obvious that the GB player had control of the ball and the Seattle player only had his hands on the ball.
The ‘regular’ refs who are locked out are probably LTAO [laughing their rears off] and upping their demands with each blown call from the replacements.
Seriously?! “Everyone in a union is entitled to a pension.”
Just more entitlement mentality imho.
Jerry Austin explained that the review is to determine whether the pass was complete or incomplete. They do not review simultaneous possession or penalties (Pass Interference.)
“Yeah it was a bad call, but I love it when Packer fans get screwed.”
Come on, Texas - you guys are better than that comment.
I am an avid Packer fan and I was not amused with the refs last night. We played stinky during the first 1/2 and dominated the second 1/2. But we clearly intercepted that ball in the end zone. We’ll come back from this, because WE are the Pack!! Pack will come back!
I am a Lions fan and I was appalled at that call.
Russell Wilson made history by becoming the first quarterback ever to throw a game-winning interception.
Forget the sports books. What about all the Green Bay Packer DST owners in Fantasy Football? :-)
I like the rep refs. Reg refs screw up all the time also.
These guys will get better but the players have to stop “pushing” them around
Thanks !! I used to live in Michigan in a different life - 50’s early 60’s and was a Lions fan before I was a Packer fan. haa. You guys have come back from the dead.
Heck, I LIKE the refereeing!
Makes it seem like more of a game and less of a corporate process.
Refereeing has always been ‘iffy’ anyway.
I’m enjoying this season more than any in years (wish there were more shots of the cheerleaders though!).
8 sacks in the first half. No offense except 4 field goals. Being unable to get a 1st down after holding the opponents on 4th down with 2:00 to go.Blame the officials all you want, but Green Bay should be looking in a mirror as to why they lost, not the negotiation table.
The real story should be putting yourself in the position to lose the game on one play/blown call, not the officiating. Regular refs make mistakes all the time, but they're just briefly commented on and swept under the rug.
It was a regular ref who got the coin toss wrong in that playoff game a few years ago and it was regular refs who embarrassed the NFL in the Steelers/Seahawks Super Bowl.
Meanwhile, you have replay officials — not locked out or on strike — who are every bit as bad as those on the field. Evidently there was no NFL representative in replay booth on Sunday who could have told the referee in that game that San Francisco made two illegal challenges within a span of six plays.
Packer and Patriot fans are finally getting a taste of what the ‘lesser’ teams have had to put up with for years. Eye-opening, isn’t it?
Incompetence is rife in NFL officiating no matter who wears the stripes. So buckle your chin straps and play football or hold your breath till you turn blue, take your ball and go home.
Time to put the zebras back on the field and get rid of the JACKASSES.
The old refs sucked (but were only rarely called out on it). The new refs are trying, but they are clearly looking overwhelmed and under-trained.
Best solution I’ve seen to date: make do, for now, with the replacements and ditch the “regular” refs altogether. Recruit a new generation of younger, fitter refs, as full-time employees, paying them year-round and putting them through rigorous training to gain certification, plus annual off-season re-certification and pshyical evaluation. As full-time employees, pay them a full-time salary, benefits, etc.
Even if they “graduate” more refs than they need for their games, these guys will likely be in demand by top college conferences due to their training (and more so for the ones who have proven themselves in the league).
One particular official was working to throw the game to Seattle. That official made the ‘short of the first down marker’ at the goal line when Rogers reached and got the first down; that official called defensive pass interference when it was clearly offensive pass interference on the last drive by Seattle; that official ignored the offensive pass interference by the Seattle receive who was ‘awarded’ the final touchdown; that official called the interception by Green Bay a touchdown for Seattle. That official is crooked/criminal/a liar and a disgrace to the NFL. The game should be reviewed by the NFL and corrected, to remove the crooked official’s effect on that game.
4 field goals? You didn’t even watch the game! What a maroon! GB had two field goals, one touchdown and a missed two point try.
OK, here is my take. I am a fan of football, all football. I watch it, attend games when I can and I read about the games I cannot attend. When it comes to the NFL, I lean towards the Steelers. There, full disclosure.
So, IMO if and when the bookmakers get irritated enough, and if and when the owners (who are by the way, Godell’s bosses)get enough flack from the media, and fans THEN the problem will get solved and quickly. It boils down to money, and on every side.
It depends on who is your dog in the fight: Seattle, Green Bay or the union. As an impartial observer (except for the union), I think they actually made the right call on the simultaneous catch. It was a hard call to go against the expectations of a play like that, but both guys put their hands on it at virtually the same time (Seattle maybe touched first) and both didn’t let go.
Excellent post, onyx.
Las Vegas, bookies, and the mob are anonymously calling NFL executives and reminding them to carefully check their cars before turning over the engine.
Sports pundits are not going to push Goodell, the betting world sure will though.
No, I didn’t watch the game, at least not the second half, as I get up up early in the morning. The important thing to note, though, is that Green Bay put themselves in position to lose the game by not winning it when they had the chance. Anytime you do that, you are subject to getting beat by a bad call or a single lucky play.
I’d love to see the “regular” refs put under the same microscope as the replacement guys if/when they come back. I mean, some Seahawks fans are still whining about “blown calls” in the Super Bowl a few years back, while coincidentally ignoring the bad calls that favored Seattle in that game. I remember multiple occasions where the refs lost count of the downs and let people score on 5th and goal. And don’t even get me started on the whole “tuck rule” nonsense and ridiculous “roughing” calls that protect prima donna QBs from mistakes or physical play.
As for why offensive pass interference wasn’t called on that last play, how many times have you ever seen the “regular” refs call offensive pass interference (except for receivers blocking downfield too early on short passes)? I’ve seen more offensive pass interference calls by the replacement guys in 3 weeks than I’d see normally in a whole season.
Being a referee is more than just making the right calls, it’s about having control of a game, and when the coaches know more about the rules than the refs, that’s bad.
Sure judgement calls will always be with us, even with the regular refs. But these referees do not have the respect of the players and coaches, and when that happens, players needlessly will get hurt. That’s my biggest problem with the replacement referees.
Don't forget the Steelers. I thought I was the only one who noticed that notoriously dirty teams (ahem, Patriots) are now suddenly getting penalties that they would never have been called for under the regular refs. Personally, I think it's made the game more exciting.
The only thing different about the "quality" of the officiating this season is the fact that you have to listen to every sportscaster, talking head, lib journ-o-list, etc. whine on and on incessantly about it. That's the only reason anyone has noticed it and noted that it seems soooooo bad. Take that away, and you just have the normal NFL with botched calls all over the place.
It's the Lib Media supporting their union brethren.
That's kind of a self-sustaining loop, though, isn't it? The refs can't control the game because they get no respect, and they get no respect because they can't control the game.
Coaches and players have been trying to bully these guys for three (regular season) weeks now, and to express shock and dismay because the guys getting bullied are getting frazzled and making mistakes isn't helping the situation.
The person who really needs to get things under control is Goodell. He needs to state in flat-out terms that there will be no pensions for referees, and that until the refs are willing to accept that, there will be no deal. In the meantime, he himself will review tapes from every game each week, and any player or coach found to be harassing or bullying a referee will be fined and suspended.
Bud Grant advocated for this for years. It was a great idea then; it's a great idea now.
And, of course, the Steelers. Good catch.
What you have in the NFL now is genuine unpredictability. It may not necessarily be for the right reasons, but Roger Goodell is probably smiling. Everyone is talking about his league. For those who say that all publicity is good publicity, you're laughing all the way to the bank.
Call me jaded but I'd spend Sundays in past years wondering what the 'big' teams were going to do to get the big call they needed and would always seem to get. It's hard to dispute that this isn't happening at the present time.
I can see a possible playoff implication:
Suppose Chicago (11-5) and San Francisco (12-4) win their divisions outright.
The NY Giants and Dallas Cowboys both go 11-5.
Seattle and Green Bay go 10-6.
With the Giants and Cowboys getting a division title and one of the wild card spots, that leaves one wild card left.
The first tie-breaker for the wild card between two teams is head-to-head, if applicable.
Chaos and screaming ensues. Mwuahaha.
As a Lions fan...you should just be...appalled.
(says another unfortunate Lions fan ; )
Seriously, after watching the Lions for decades get flagged when their DB's farted within 5 yards of a receiver...I'm rather amused at the "darlings of the league" getting pwned.
Also, just think of how many more people are tuning in just to watch a potential clown show... Goodell may have accidentally created one of the greatest marketing gimmicks evah!
The guys in the booth aren’t replacement refs are they?
They reviewed this and did not overturn it.