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10 More Tungsten-Filled Gold Bars Discovered In Manhattan
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Posted on 09/25/2012 2:02:08 PM PDT by djf

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1 posted on 09/25/2012 2:02:10 PM PDT by djf
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To: Kartographer; blam; Travis McGee

Ping!


2 posted on 09/25/2012 2:03:30 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: djf

OOPS!........Better check Ft. Knox........................


3 posted on 09/25/2012 2:04:36 PM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: djf
The culprit?


4 posted on 09/25/2012 2:05:42 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: djf
He would not comment, though, on who sold him the bogus bars.

Hmmmm?....................

5 posted on 09/25/2012 2:06:37 PM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: djf

LoL, its only $160 Gs or so. Chump change.


6 posted on 09/25/2012 2:06:37 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: Red Badger

OOPS!........Better check Ft. Knox........................

Fort Knox , no gold just Obama college records


7 posted on 09/25/2012 2:07:28 PM PDT by molson209
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To: djf

A fool and his gold are soon parted....


8 posted on 09/25/2012 2:08:11 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: djf

I will bet you $1000 (US, non gold backed dollars that is) that the source was CHINA.


9 posted on 09/25/2012 2:08:11 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: djf
They came from Fort Knox.

</sarcasm>

10 posted on 09/25/2012 2:08:48 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: djf

Does 100 oz of tungsten weigh exactly what 100 oz of gold does?


11 posted on 09/25/2012 2:09:38 PM PDT by arrogantsob (The Disaster MUST Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: djf
Not being a physicist or a metallurgist I don't know the answer but it might still be a stupid question:could one of these phony bars have been detected through the use of X-Ray or some other kind of scan?
12 posted on 09/25/2012 2:10:15 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive!)
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To: djf
Fresh out of sympathy for anyone buying ten ounce gold bars off the streets of Newyork.
13 posted on 09/25/2012 2:11:13 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: djf
You just knew this was gonna happen.

Next we will find Silver bars faked as well.

14 posted on 09/25/2012 2:11:57 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: PGR88
I will bet you $1000 (US, non gold backed dollars that is) that the source was CHINA.

China's the prime suspect but not the only one...the USSR,North Korea,Mexico and maybe a few others.

15 posted on 09/25/2012 2:12:10 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive!)
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To: arrogantsob

Not exactly, but the difference is negligible enough to be impossible to detect without scientific equipment.


16 posted on 09/25/2012 2:12:33 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Red Badger

This could be amusing if it turns out to be more widespread.
A lot of people could be sweatin’ it!

Better check your bars, gold nuts!


17 posted on 09/25/2012 2:13:07 PM PDT by procrustes (You make Free Republic look bad!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Not sure. I dunno.


18 posted on 09/25/2012 2:13:36 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: procrustes

Just exactly how does on do that?....................


19 posted on 09/25/2012 2:14:03 PM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: djf

The W bars should sound different from gold when tapped by a hammer because it is stiffer. It rings. Just in case any of us were tempted to go out and buy a bar.

W density is 0.4% less dense than gold.

I have a large statue of a bird of prey cast in gold, covered with black paint to disguise it. It’s the stuff dreams are made of.


20 posted on 09/25/2012 2:14:19 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: arrogantsob

I think its pretty close


21 posted on 09/25/2012 2:15:13 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: arrogantsob

The density of tungsten is very close to that of gold. If both bars were exactly the same size, a pound of gold, the tungsten one would be about a half-gram lighter.

They are going to have to resort to other tests, than just weighing it.


22 posted on 09/25/2012 2:16:31 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Red Badger

Yep. Interesting timing on discovering what has been rumored for years.

QE3, a presidential election, a major war in the ME...


23 posted on 09/25/2012 2:16:30 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1344 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: djf

From Wikipedia:

“Gold-plated tungsten is available commercially from China (the main source of tungsten), both in jewelry and as bars.[58]”

What a surprise.


24 posted on 09/25/2012 2:17:10 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: djf; All

Check out this chinese company, via Zerohedge:

“Get Your Fake Tungsten-Filled Gold Coins Here”

From the website’s Tungsten Heavy Alloy Scan Gold Coin section:

Tungsten is the only lower value metal that has a specific density close enough to gold to fabricate passable counterfeit pieces of the same size and weight as genuine Pictures of tungsten fake gold coins and ingots. Over the years, there have been a few isolated reports of smaller tungsten fake gold coin found to have been drilled to remove some of the gold which was replaced with tungsten. However, tungsten fake gold coin is far more profitable to fabricate larger original bars of tungsten that are then scanning gold.

Because the existence of counterfeit tungsten fake gold coin could have such a huge impact on the financial markets, there is a huge potential for deception and misinformation to be passed around. Be very careful about automatically believing any story you may hear. For your own protection, tungsten fake gold coin would be better to take physical possession of the smaller sizes of tungsten fake gold coins and now, and know that what you own genuine solid tungsten fake gold coin. [ZH: reread that sentence: “genuine solid tungsten fake gold coin”]”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-09-24/get-your-fake-tungsten-filled-gold-coins-here


25 posted on 09/25/2012 2:17:24 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Gay State Conservative

http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/03/25/the-problem-of-fake-gold-bars/

Gold is far more conductive than tungsten and slightly denser.

X-ray crystallography requires making a powder of the sample, it is not non-destructive in the sense that the sample cannot retain its form.


26 posted on 09/25/2012 2:17:46 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What is more unseemly that the sight of Chris Matthews groveling before his own self image?)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Not sure of X-rays, but the Pawn Star dudes used a simple drill to determine whether the bar was real
27 posted on 09/25/2012 2:17:48 PM PDT by Bruce Kurtz
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To: arrogantsob

Does 100 oz of tungsten weigh exactly what 100 oz of gold does?

Of course they do!
And 100 oz of gold weighs exactly as much as 100 oz of cotton candy!

People seem to be having a little truble with this one...

;-)


28 posted on 09/25/2012 2:19:15 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: DBrow
"I have a large statue of a bird of prey cast "

and your address is

29 posted on 09/25/2012 2:19:36 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: arrogantsob
Does 100 oz of tungsten weigh exactly what 100 oz of gold does?

No. Tungsten is measured in avoirdupois ounces, gold is measured in troy ounces...

30 posted on 09/25/2012 2:19:35 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1344 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

31 posted on 09/25/2012 2:19:36 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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From what I can tell, ultrasound and volume resistivity are two tests that can be used. Also water immersion specific gravity.

32 posted on 09/25/2012 2:22:31 PM PDT by Rio (Tempis fugit.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

1941 Falcon St, Malta


33 posted on 09/25/2012 2:23:26 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Rio

On a pawn shop show on TV they drilled about 4 holes into it and tested the shavings to make sure it was real


34 posted on 09/25/2012 2:26:07 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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-—checking the handy periodic table—W (tungsten ) atomic weight 183.84-—Au (gold)-—— 196.97


35 posted on 09/25/2012 2:28:10 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Then we’ll learn our paper money is not worth that much either...


36 posted on 09/25/2012 2:28:18 PM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: DBrow

LOL, Thanks, I’m on my way


37 posted on 09/25/2012 2:28:35 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Rio

I agree.

Take your gold bars to you OGBYN and have them take a look.

No, really. Do it.


38 posted on 09/25/2012 2:30:32 PM PDT by super7man
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To: super7man

OGBYN = OBGYN

Sorry.


39 posted on 09/25/2012 2:31:11 PM PDT by super7man
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To: arrogantsob
Does 100 oz of tungsten weigh exactly what 100 oz of gold does?

Yes. Same with 100 oz of feathers, or 100 oz of lead or 100 oz of air.

:)

They all weigh the same.

40 posted on 09/25/2012 2:31:11 PM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: rellimpank
W (tungsten ) atomic weight 183.84-—Au (gold)-—— 196.97

That's a 5% difference. Should easily be able to detect by specific gravity test.

41 posted on 09/25/2012 2:35:42 PM PDT by super7man
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To: ├čudda├čudd
"Then we’ll learn our paper money is not worth that much either..."

If you shop for groceries or buy gas you've already learned that one.

42 posted on 09/25/2012 2:35:47 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Lol. Ya don't need much equipment. If ya can punch a large dent into the bar with a nail, in all likely its gold.

Ya don't get much harder than tungsten. Think Captain Americas shield, but in real life.

43 posted on 09/25/2012 2:36:25 PM PDT by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

So just connect some voltage to the Bar and see if it lights up....LOL


44 posted on 09/25/2012 2:37:45 PM PDT by Revel
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To: ├čudda├čudd
Then we’ll learn our paper money is not worth that much either...

I tried drilling out a few bills last week. Didn't find any gold or tungsten.

45 posted on 09/25/2012 2:38:38 PM PDT by super7man
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To: dynachrome

Yup... Another thing brought to you by China.


46 posted on 09/25/2012 2:38:50 PM PDT by Revel
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To: djf

And G. Gordon Liddy, that old convict, retired just last month!


47 posted on 09/25/2012 2:43:29 PM PDT by procrustes (You make Free Republic look bad!)
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To: djf

So how does one tell if his gold bars are fake or real? I got a few of these kicking around in my attic and I’m hoping they are for real. Because if we have a TEOTWAWKI event, I’m taking them down to the corner store to get a whole mess of milk and bread and I don’t want some smartass shopkeeper telling me they are fake!


48 posted on 09/25/2012 2:43:36 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: SamAdams76

drill into them - if tungstein shavings start coming out it’s fake. (That’s how Rick of the show “Pawn Stars” checked it on an episode where someone brought in a gold bar to sell. He was well aware of the old fake gold bar scam.)


49 posted on 09/25/2012 2:47:44 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: Gay State Conservative

Ultrasound testing.


50 posted on 09/25/2012 2:48:03 PM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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