Posted on 09/25/2012 10:25:51 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
BEIJING — In a ceremony attended by the country’s top leaders, China put its first aircraft carrier into service on Tuesday, a move intended to signal its growing military might as tensions escalate between Beijing and its neighbors over islands in nearby seas.
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The mark “16” on the carrier’s side indicates that it is limited to training, Chinese and other military experts said. China does not have planes capable of landing on the carrier and so far training for such landings has been carried out on land, they said. . .
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There will still be a need for carriers - lift into space is still too expensive. But they will be carrying UAVs.
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PLAN (((((PING)))))
Underestimate the Chinese at our own peril. This re-furbished carrier, which was purchased under false pretenses by a front company, now gives the Red Chinese a couple of acres of sovereign territory anywhere on the world's oceans.
Moreover, it's not designed to go head-to-head with the U.S. 7th Fleet...the Chinese have nice quiet diesel subs to take out our ships....
Anyone ever wonder why the price of scrap metal has been soooooo high recently? Wanna guess where that scrap metal is going? Sure isn’t into making bridges here in the U.S.
Anyone ever wonder why the price of scrap metal has been soooooo high recently? Wanna guess where that scrap metal is going? Sure isn’t into making bridges here in the U.S.
Somebody with the ability (and, more importantly, the WILLINGNESS) to engage in unrestricted warfare against any commercial shipping bringing supplies (particularly oil) to China, or bringing export products out, would bring China to their knees within months.
The ship is labeled 16, for training. The learning curve for carrier operations is pretty steep. The ship in question was bought and put in service to learn hands on about carrier design and operations.
Merely by reading it can be learned that the Japanese who launched several highly successful strikes were done in by poor carrier design and operational procedures at Midway. That happened even though they had the most experienced carrier operations officers and pilots and best planes in the world.
The battle was lost to inexperienced American pilots largely because of poor operational procedures and vessel design.
Prudence dictates hands on practice to learn the trade
There, all fixed.p> Agreed on your second point, though.
Cheers!
There, all fixed.
Agreed on your second point, though.
Cheers!
I actually think we may want to create a number of ‘drone’ carriers that are small, destroyer sized flat decked with missle compartments and small landing decks for large drones that can carry missle payloads - increase delivery vectors, spread out the risk, overload the defenses. Maybe even some disposable sub versions with vtol capability. Still keep the manned carriers but only 8 - 4 pac/3 lant-med/1 io-me on slower roation with 1 pac/1 lant in dock...in the meantime 6 destroyer sized drone carriers/ocean moving - always moving....
Personally, I think we need to start building Star Destroyers (Death Stars can wait a little longer.)
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>>The ChiCom’s should have named it the “Bentonville”.
Or the “Crinton” — named after the best president the ChiComs ever had.
Surprised they didn’t build the thing in Long Beach.
We should take some old Destroyers we have and convert them into Drone Carriers. Maybe use wooden decks? The conversions shouldn’t be too hard or expensive—It would use this new weapon well and add to our naval power.
No evidence that that is the case. While it will obviously be engaged in training, it's got too extensive a radar and weapons fit to be just a training carrier.
-——The mark “16” on the carrier’s side indicates that it is limited to training, Chinese -——
That’s what the article said. I merely reported what I read.
All the stuff you noted is worthless if the crew is not able to make it work within the battle group. Before becoming a threat, they must first learn what they can and cannot do
Yeah. They were wild mass guessing.
The training numbers are in the 80s. The next training vessel would have been 83.
They used 16 and 16 is a number for a full combatant.
This carrier is fangless right now because their new J-15 strike aircraft are not availabe in enough numbers ot outfit an airwing. but in 18-24 months they will have enough aircraft, and two years after that, after they perform intinsive air ops training, they will be.
They alreayd have very strong surface combatants...new, modern, AEGIS-Like destroyers and very high quality, modern muli-mission guided missile firgates to escort this carrier.
So, outside the US, they will field the momst potent group in the Western Pacific.
It has Japan, India, and Australia all worried enough to be building carriers of their won and the high end escorts to accompany them.
The Rising Sea Dragon in Asia
http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/
The Chinese Carrier, CV-16, Liao Ning
http://www.jeffhead.com/worldwideaircraftcarriers/varyag.htm
PLAN’s Lanzhou Class AEGIS-Like DDG
http://www.jeffhead.com/aegisvesselsoftheworld/lanzhou.htm
Good point. The claim that all two digit numbers were training ships looked a bit suss to me.
The reason for choosing a two digit number over three for a carrier (apart from simplicity) may be as simple as two digits meant they could paint a bigger flight deck number and do it without intersecting the aircraft launch track lines.
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Torpedo and Cruise Missile bait.
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