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Do Americans truly understand 'redistribution of wealth'?
American Thinker ^ | 09/26/2012 | Virginia Prodan

Posted on 09/26/2012 6:14:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The recently uncovered tape of Obama addressing students at Loyola University in 1998 has produced an uproar. In the tape, Obama expressed his admiration for redistributive government programs:

"I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution, because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities?"

If he is re-elected, Obama's 1998 proposition will be reality in the next four years.

When he proposed to redistribute wealth, Ibama meant that the system has to find a "trick" way to transform your wealth into government's hands. Government will then distribute that wealth to others of its choosing.

Your work and your wealth will belong to the government "in the name of society"; in other words, it will belong to the collective. Actually, though, your work and your wealth will belong to the elite of the government, who will decide who and what is given your money. This is what "redistribution of wealth" means in Obama's philosophy; it is also the basic principle of communism. The meaning of the "redistribution" of wealth is official government stealing and the end of your freedom. It is the beginning of your forced sacrifices for your leader, your government, and your society. This leads to a permanent realignment of power in society, as has been seen in Europe, or the rise of a dictator, as has been seen frequently in communist society.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: obama; redistribution; socialism; wealth; welfare

1 posted on 09/26/2012 6:14:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
has produced an uproar.

No. It hasn't. It should have, but the water-carrying media isn't interested.

2 posted on 09/26/2012 6:20:10 AM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!r)
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To: SeekAndFind

Unfortunately, they sure do. “Gimme gimme gimme and make the rich pay for it.” Redistribution of wealth is not some social theory for most Americans. Its living the good life on someone else’s dime. 80 years of the Welfare State have conditioned people to think that is OK.


3 posted on 09/26/2012 6:20:18 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: SeekAndFind

What’s particularly ironic is that due to money being a pretty good barometer of a person’s attitudes, the wealth just distributes itself right back again, away from the fools who spend it all on nookie and beer, and back to the ones making the widgits and investing their profits.


4 posted on 09/26/2012 6:28:01 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: SeekAndFind

No, because we’ve never had to live through the horror of Stalin’s Russia or Castro’s Cuba or Mao’s Cultural Revolution. So large numbers of us think it’s a peachy-keen touchy-feelie idea.


5 posted on 09/26/2012 6:28:27 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
"Redistribution of wealth is not some social theory for most Americans. Its living the good life on someone else’s dime. 80 years of the Welfare State have conditioned people to think that is OK."

Not only that but these people (ie. the OWS crowd) truely believe that if we just take a big chunk of cash from big corporations and the "rich", they won't really feel the difference, and everybody can then live without want of any kind, doing whatever they want to do.

6 posted on 09/26/2012 6:28:34 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

“Communism is a dead letter...it’s the concession we make to the Slavic sense of morality...” Ortega y Gasset

Communism has worked NO WHERE ON EARTH. Why force it on the American people?


7 posted on 09/26/2012 6:29:25 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Usually the redistributors are coincidentally the redistributees. Castro is a prime example. Cubans are dirt poor, but the Castro brothers are billionaires.


8 posted on 09/26/2012 6:34:15 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: SeekAndFind
"The recently uncovered tape of Obama addressing students at Loyola University in 1998 has produced an uproar."

Where? I hear nothing.

9 posted on 09/26/2012 6:37:13 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, Americans do understand. But unfortunately most of them have been trained to think that redistribution is normal, noble and natural.


10 posted on 09/26/2012 6:38:57 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
“Gimme gimme gimme and make the rich pay for it.”

Soon there will be no "rich" and all of us will be equally poor.

In the meantime YOU will stop working so you can get YOUR FAIR SHARE of what is stolen from those "rich". Right?

11 posted on 09/26/2012 6:40:05 AM PDT by Rapscallion (If Obama wins he will be an evil tyrant over America.)
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To: SeekAndFind
>>> Do Americans truly understand 'redistribution of wealth'?

The right question should be -

"Do Americans truly understand CARE 'redistribution of wealth'?

12 posted on 09/26/2012 6:45:58 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, the term Communism is like a dead language. Nobody speaks it, nobody understands it. It has been replaced with the more noble term “Progressive”.

It walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck, it must be a kitten.
The brainwashing preparation is complete.


13 posted on 09/26/2012 6:47:37 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I think there is some truth in your post.

That is why the opinion of those who have lived under REAL repressive societies carries weight with me. A few years back, I spoke with a man who had immigrated from the Soviet Union and became an American citizen, and he was nearly frantic with anxiety and anger over the things he was seeing in our government.

He recognized all the ploys, the propaganda, the code words, the promises as the road to tyranny, because he had seen them all and lived through them all before.

Many of us see it, but we know there is a portion of the american electorate out there that doesn’t see it at all.

Hearing the vehemence in his voice greatly disturbed me.


14 posted on 09/26/2012 6:48:08 AM PDT by rlmorel ("It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong." Voltaire)
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To: SMARTY

It isn’t about whether or not Communism “works” or is “fair.” “working.”
It is about power and privilege for the rulers.


15 posted on 09/26/2012 6:50:40 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: vanilla swirl

Remember the prime motivator for your average sheeperal is to feel good about themselves as a “good person” through advocacy-based righteousness.

What and whom the support makes them “good”.

“Communist” and “communism” are overwhelmingly understood to be “bad” in our society and culture. You’ll never get a sheeperal to admit they support communist leaders or communism because those things are “bad”, and the sheeperal in question is “good” and would never support a “bad” person.

This is also why, when you point out the communist “quacking and walking”, they take it as a personal insult - because you are attacking their source of righteousness.


16 posted on 09/26/2012 6:51:59 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Little Ray
Of course ... WE know that.

That huge (and ever increasing) crowd of free loaders could care less about who is in possession of power or what they do with it....as long as their freebies continue uninterrupted.

17 posted on 09/26/2012 6:57:44 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: MrB
What and whom the support makes them “good”.

Yes and it is never about results. Even the lies told by Zero; "most open/transparent administration, no lobbyist, blah blah blah".

This did not hold true for 10 seconds into his reign of failure. But that didn't matter, it made his fans "feel good" that they supported it.

Just like it made them "feel good" that Zero is a peace luvin antiwar leader...

18 posted on 09/26/2012 7:00:02 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: SMARTY

Boy, are they going to be disappointed.
I don’t recall any REAL communist nation being big on “freebies.” I do recall them being big on forced labor, body counts, etc.


19 posted on 09/26/2012 7:16:00 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Little Ray

Fixed prices, fixed wages... wonderful.

You can go to work every day, arrive on time, do a good job and never be compensated any differently or any MORE than the guy next to you doing the same job but arriving late, drunk and sleeping on the job.

In the end, you will be producing crap products you can’t even sell at home...much less export.

It’s the sure road to a Micky Mouse economy, social instability, discord and grinding endless poverty!


20 posted on 09/26/2012 7:26:38 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SeekAndFind
the system has to find a "trick" way to transform your wealth into government's hands

And that trick's current form is called "Quantitative Easing". In a process akin to Hawking Radiation, the Federal Reserve observes that $0 = $1T - $1T, writes "+$1T" in its assets ledger, writes "-$1T" in its liabilities ledger, parks the debt, and injects the "new" trillion dollars into the economy. That injection is done by buying Treasury bonds, to wit giving it to the Federal Government. The mere existence of that "new" money instantly devalues all currency by creating more money to share total value covered by all dollars; there being about $15T in "money" (physical plus virtual/debt currency) now, another sudden trillion devalues all dollars by about 6.25%. By this trick, the government conjures $1 out of thin air, and that $1 in your pocket is now worth $0.94 ... effectively taking $1 from every $16 you had, without actually going thru the trouble of putting a gun to your head and taking that dollar.
Bingo: redistributed wealth.

Oh, someday the Federal Reserve will get around to reconciling that -$1T entry in the liabilities ledger. No rush. Annual real interest payments on an imaginary trillion dollars will do very nicely, thank you very much, they'll even settle for a paltry interest rate of 1.5%, the Fed can get by on a nominal income of $15,000,000,000 per year in return for a few minutes of creative paperwork.

Oh, and when people (individuals, organizations, governments...) stop buying Treasury bonds with real money (whatever currency) because the US inflation rate jumps to 6.25% and accelerates from there? The Fed just keeps rehashing "$0 = $1T - $1T" so the Left can keep printing checks to people who don't create value commensurate to the currency being created, creating an exponential-growth need for ever more currency to cover unfunded liabilities ... to wit hyperinflation.

If you want to keep your wealth, get it out of dollars and into real things with real inherent value.

21 posted on 09/26/2012 7:39:15 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: SeekAndFind
There is nothing very hard to understand about "redistribution of wealth," in the English speaking world. It is the tradition of the Highway Man: of people who used to be hung by Government, as the reward for such faux "idealism." Later, they were merely transported overseas, by still honest Government.

The difference, today, is that the Government has become the "Highway Man." The Government robs productive "Peter," to subsidize unproductive "Paul"; both turning public morality on its head, while usurping the role of religion in providing a safety net for the truly unfortunate.

Attention is again called to how Welfare was handled in Jefferson's Virginia. The contrast to the present, says it all: See section on subject in Reality.

William Flax

22 posted on 09/26/2012 8:31:04 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: SeekAndFind; MestaMachine; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; Godzilla; Domestic Church; Velveeta; Myrddin; ...

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TM Ping.

Article and comments.

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23 posted on 09/26/2012 6:41:00 PM PDT by LucyT (("Those who cannot learn from History are doomed to repeat it" — Santayana))
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To: rlmorel; Buckeye McFrog; ottbmare
That is why the opinion of those who have lived under REAL repressive societies carries weight with me. A few years back, I spoke with a man who had immigrated from the Soviet Union and became an American citizen, and he was nearly frantic with anxiety and anger over the things he was seeing in our government.

He recognized all the ploys, the propaganda, the code words, the promises as the road to tyranny, because he had seen them all and lived through them all before.

Many of us see it, but we know there is a portion of the american electorate out there that doesn’t see it at all.

Hearing the vehemence in his voice greatly disturbed me.

Ping to you, ottbmare. You posted once about some woman of your acquaintance, also an immigrant from Eastern Europe and a new American citizen, supposedly an educated woman, who (inexplicably) has expressed a desire to vote for BO. Do I remember correctly?

Buckeye McFrog: I've met someone with similar background who knew the old Soviet Union all too well and didn't want to return to those ways.

24 posted on 09/26/2012 7:37:35 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the ping.


25 posted on 09/26/2012 7:39:14 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: All

26 posted on 09/26/2012 7:40:19 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: thecodont

Let me correct what I said about that Eastern European woman. Her English is perfectly awful and I find it hard to understand, but with time I’ve come to comprehend more. It was quite interesting!

The other night, I said, “Obama is a communist.”
She replied, “Yes, communist. Yes, Muslim. But not important, eh? He only one percent of problem. Men behind him, they do all. They very strong. They do—” (she swept her hand around to indicate the whole region, or everything) “all this, they do. Very bad, yes?”

She speaks fluent Russian. Hates the Russians and all their doings. Hates communism. She will not be voting for Obama in this, her first US election. She apparently believes, as many conservatives do, that Obama is an agent for larger interests.


27 posted on 09/26/2012 8:22:54 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: SeekAndFind

From the Father of Communism, Karl Marx, the Democrats and RINOs have renamed his original text as any and all of the following: “re-distribution of wealth, progressive income tax schedule, spreading the wealth around, doing something about income inequality, fairness doctrine, making sure everyone has a fair shot, no child left behind, asking the rich to pay a little more, taxing the millionaires and billionaires, etc, etc, etc.

Original Marx text: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”


28 posted on 09/26/2012 8:26:06 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: ottbmare
She speaks fluent Russian. Hates the Russians and all their doings. Hates communism. She will not be voting for Obama in this, her first US election. She apparently believes, as many conservatives do, that Obama is an agent for larger interests.

Good, at least she understands BO is a communist, and she won't be voting for what she escaped.

29 posted on 09/26/2012 8:44:21 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the Ping.


30 posted on 09/26/2012 9:15:40 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: vanilla swirl

Not only that, but the actual definitions that they use for the terms Communism, and Socialism in today’s universities are almost the OPPOSITE of what we were taught as the official definition of these “-isms”. That is why many young liberals laugh and sneer when we mention those two words - their mis-education makes us look like idiots to them, like we have no clue what we’re talking about, when in actuality, it is them who have been taught wrongly. It’s extremely frustrating - if we can’t even get people to understand the proper definitions for the words, how can we possibly get them to understand the philosophies behind them, and competing philosophies and why they have proven to be better? They support something that isn’t even close to reality...

I guess what I’m trying to say is that I agree with your post. Almost an entire generation HAS been brainwashed. I thank God that at least I was old enough during the 80s to have witnessed the Soviet Union BEFORE it collapsed, and have friends and family who LIVED in and had to ESCAPE from the USSR. I doubt even some of the younger kids in Russia know how bad things really were just 2 short decades ago...


31 posted on 09/27/2012 3:00:57 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: SeekAndFind

Communism is a dead horse, has not worked anywhere, its an ideology that thrives only because of those that desire to be on top of it controlling the people.

America cannot accept communism, Islam, Marxism of any type or whitewashed hope changy name replacement.


32 posted on 09/27/2012 3:23:36 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: thecodont

But what I find interesting is that she sees that there are more powerful men backing Obama. That’s rather astute for someone who doesn’t have much English.

(Heaven help her, she is extremely intelligent and held an advanced degree in her home country. Now she has to work a truly exhausting and humbling job here in the US. But she is deeply glad to be here on any terms. I just wish I could figure out a way to help her advance.)


33 posted on 09/27/2012 8:01:39 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: LibertyRocks

“Communism: we pretend to work and the government pretends to pay us.”


34 posted on 09/27/2012 8:28:48 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: SeekAndFind

Two Cows:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/579796/posts

An instructive thread from 2001.


35 posted on 09/27/2012 8:30:38 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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