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Beyond Obamacare [former Obama official says we NEED death panels]
The New York Times ^ | September 16, 2012 | Steven Rattner

Posted on 09/26/2012 9:16:09 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction

WE need death panels.

Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget.

But in the pantheon of toxic issues — the famous “third rails” of American politics — none stands taller than overtly acknowledging that elderly Americans are not entitled to every conceivable medical procedure or pharmaceutical.

Most notably, President Obama’s estimable Affordable Care Act regrettably includes severe restrictions on any reduction in Medicare services or increase in fees to beneficiaries. In 2009, Sarah Palin’s rant about death panels even forced elimination from the bill of a provision to offer end-of-life consultations.

Now, three years on, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, Paul D. Ryan, has offered his latest ambitious plan for addressing the Medicare problem. But like Mr. Obama’s, it holds limited promise for containing the program’s escalating costs within sensible boundaries.

The Obama and Ryan plans are not without common ground; both propose an identical formula for capping the growth in Medicare spending per beneficiary. And both dip into the same toolbox (particularly lower payments to providers) to achieve a reduction of nearly $1 trillion in Medicare expenditures over the next decade from projected levels.

That’s where the agreement ends. Mr. Ryan believes that meeting the goal over the long term requires introducing more competition into Medicare through vouchers to purchase private insurance.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; healthcare; medicare; obamacare; palin; paulryan; rationing; rattner; ryan; sarahpalin; stevenrattner; steverattner; zerocare

1 posted on 09/26/2012 9:16:17 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: ConjunctionJunction
In 2009, Sarah Palin’s rant about death panels even forced elimination from the bill of a provision to offer end-of-life consultations.

It's amazing how inconsequential she is.

2 posted on 09/26/2012 9:21:40 AM PDT by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
Steven Rattner is eager to pass out the pills.
3 posted on 09/26/2012 9:22:34 AM PDT by JPG (Make it happen)
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To: ConjunctionJunction; vette6387; Nachum; Free ThinkerNY; Doogle; MamaDearest; bevperl; ...

One can be sure that their Death Panels won’t pertain to the Political Elites and their families just like other dictatorships throughout time! Big Bro and Big Sis’s Death Panels will be for We The People. Re-read your history books and pay attention to the Third Reich.


4 posted on 09/26/2012 9:23:41 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Get the Federal Government the “H” out of our business, our medical, everything other than what they were designed to do by the Founders. Problem resolved.


5 posted on 09/26/2012 9:26:51 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Dahoser
Sarah Palin: The Most important irrelevant figure in America today.

To this Ubama administration official: Where to you want your body dumped after you don't get that transplant you needed so bad? The Lake? In some Concrete under a new street?

Or how about you have a nice tall cup of STFU!


6 posted on 09/26/2012 9:30:34 AM PDT by KC_Lion ( Wherever I find myself standing, I forever stand with Israel.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Down a slippery slope to Logans Run.


7 posted on 09/26/2012 9:32:05 AM PDT by Gasshog
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To: ConjunctionJunction

I support euthanisia of all Liberals, by calling it late term abortions.


8 posted on 09/26/2012 9:32:19 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

If health care were not a government expense then the cost os caring for non productive folks would not be a problem for the budget and total costs to the economy would be far smaller. The answer, of course, is to end ALL government participation in and regulation of medicine and insurance beyond FDA type guarantees that what what it says on a label is what is in the product. That is part of the government guarantee of weights and measures.


9 posted on 09/26/2012 9:35:27 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

end-of-life consultations were not OFFERED .... they were mandatory

____ Geez, they can’t help themselves from lying even in an article that is overall trying to sort-of tell the truth.


10 posted on 09/26/2012 9:37:55 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

I don’t like the idea of some government employee deciding who gets what care. But I also know that 40 years ago people weren’t taking all kinds of pills to try to stay alive. I’m not sure dieing gracefully isn’t better than trying to beat the odds. But allow the individual to make that decision.

As for death panels, they already exist, more or less. I know a woman who was sent home from the hospital the other day because Medicare says she can only stay so many days.


11 posted on 09/26/2012 9:40:13 AM PDT by Terry Mross (The Clintons seem to be very afraid of obama. Do they owe him their souls?)
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To: Dahoser

In a perverse sort of way he is right. If they can’t control costs by rationing and limiting options the entire system comes apart.


12 posted on 09/26/2012 9:40:13 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ConjunctionJunction

end-of-life consultations were not OFFERED .... they were mandatory

____ Geez, they can’t help themselves from lying even in an article that is overall trying to sort-of tell the truth.


13 posted on 09/26/2012 9:46:17 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
former Obama official says we NEED death panels
I watched parts of a PBS show last night - Money & Medicine.
And without a doubt, that's the message I got from the show ... we need death panels.
14 posted on 09/26/2012 9:46:57 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Terry Mross
I sure do hope I can live long enough to see Steven Rattner beg for the opportunity to make his own end of life decisions. Liberals and young folks are likely to learn the hard way that if just a little life is all you have left, it's very, very precious.
15 posted on 09/26/2012 9:47:10 AM PDT by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
We need death panels let's start with the whole Obama family as a example and then we will go from there.
16 posted on 09/26/2012 9:50:21 AM PDT by angcat (ROMNEY/RYAN 2012)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

BUT BUT BUT

He said they were only pizza ovens.


17 posted on 09/26/2012 9:52:26 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: ConjunctionJunction
...but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently...

This is code for "making sure politicians and their families go to the head of the line."

18 posted on 09/26/2012 10:02:51 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: July4

I want to see the looks on lots of liberals’ faces when they’re told to go home and die.


19 posted on 09/26/2012 10:10:30 AM PDT by Terry Mross (The Clintons seem to be very afraid of obama. Do they owe him their souls?)
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To: onyx; STARWISE; SE Mom; hoosiermama; Nachum; maggief

Death panel admission ping!


20 posted on 09/26/2012 10:21:52 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

ARABs - Arbiter Resource Allocation Boards.

And no,we don’t need more Arabs.


21 posted on 09/26/2012 10:24:24 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: penelopesire

Thanks Pen.
All of this information has to get to the electorate.
Paul Ryan and Romney have all the ammo they need.


22 posted on 09/26/2012 10:28:18 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: KC_Lion


VOTE THEM ALL OUT!


23 posted on 09/26/2012 10:30:31 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Death panels are generally OK for the individuals who sit on it. ;)


24 posted on 09/26/2012 10:37:37 AM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Now that we know what was in the bill it's pretty clear they won't be able to control costs and it will come apart no matter what little tweaks they try. Has any government run program ever cost less than a private sector solution? The fraud alone in Medicare, Medicade and SSI are budget busting.

25 posted on 09/26/2012 10:40:38 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: onyx

26 posted on 09/26/2012 10:48:49 AM PDT by KC_Lion ( Wherever I find myself standing, I forever stand with Israel.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget.

Yet, why does this 'need' not apply to the numerous Federal/State entitlement programs?

Why do we not need to start allocating America's resources more prudently...as the exploding costs of entitlements ARE swamping the federal budget for decades.

Do adhere to a society's 'safety net' of a giving, benevolent, altruistic helping hand, an assistance for one to regain their health, their self-pride in regaining (or even initially attaining) a productive contribution to society. Do not adhere to the present evolving 'permanent hammock' wherein one becomes a drain on society's resources, negating all incentives for self worth, self satisfaction.

27 posted on 09/26/2012 11:10:18 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: ConjunctionJunction
Government has no incentive to be efficient, which is why it is not.

They use the word "efficiency" to help them be anything but.

28 posted on 09/26/2012 11:13:45 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: IMR 4350

Sebelius will call their camps Obama Hospice Centers instead of Auschwitz which sounds too foreign. Of course, Liberals haven’t read history books so they will remain clueless.


29 posted on 09/26/2012 12:58:38 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: KC_Lion

Sarah is so irrelevant that a Google search for “Sarah Palin” only gets “about 127,000,000 results”. I hope she’s doing what America needs over the next six weeks before the election. We need every living voter at the polls in each swing state, in each state with a competitive Senate race, and in every single competitive Congressional district. Sarah can do a lot, more than any other conservative, and I hope she will. That’s not bad for an irrelevant woman (amusing how much harsher liberals are on women than on men) who had her 15 minutes of fame.


30 posted on 09/26/2012 3:22:05 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: ConjunctionJunction

There was a call to Rush about this OpEd today.


31 posted on 09/28/2012 12:14:38 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Thanks! I’m glad the word is starting to get out there!


32 posted on 09/28/2012 4:25:35 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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