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United Way of Cleveland moves to pull funding in 13 for Boy Scouts over group's prohibition of gays
cleveland.com ^ | September 25, 2012 | Dave Davis

Posted on 09/26/2012 2:17:07 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave

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1 posted on 09/26/2012 2:17:11 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
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2 posted on 09/26/2012 2:19:17 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (".....All 57 states (or is it 58?) must stand together and defeat O'bozo!.....")
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I pulled funding for the turd-burgling United Way many years ago.


4 posted on 09/26/2012 2:19:40 PM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

So the United Way of Greater Cleveland supports pedophilia? Who knew?


5 posted on 09/26/2012 2:19:54 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democrat Party, the party of the KKK (tm))
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Ya know these big outfits like Intel and United Way are deep pockets. If some boy scout gets molested because of their pressure to give homosexuals access to children, I’d think that would make them liable in a civil suit.


6 posted on 09/26/2012 2:22:30 PM PDT by Varda
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Officials with United Way of Greater Cleveland announced Tuesday they are moving to pull their funding next year from the Boy Scouts of America

Make my Chik-Fil-A.

Not only is this an opportunity to support BSA in Cleveland—there's also the chance to damage United Way of Cleveland's ability to get donations by stigmatizing anyone who gives to it as a pedophile-enabler.

7 posted on 09/26/2012 2:23:36 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: MarineBrat

I stopped giving to this organization years ago too. There are simply too many good charities to give to.


8 posted on 09/26/2012 2:24:48 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Never gave a nickel to the united way. If you want to donate to a worthy cause, give to the Salvation Army, and the BSA directly.


9 posted on 09/26/2012 2:30:30 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Does the United Way provide funds to Big Brothers/Big Sisters? Does Big Brothers ban openly gay “mentors”? Just wondering.


10 posted on 09/26/2012 2:31:56 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I pulled funding of United Way years ago.


11 posted on 09/26/2012 2:32:10 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: MarineBrat

same here. still harangued at work to give to United Gays.


12 posted on 09/26/2012 2:33:25 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I stopped supporting United Way many years ago over this issue. Apparently, they prefer to cater to the far left, even though leftists don’t donate to charity (ignoring the immorality of their stance, which seems not to even be a consideration for UW leadership), and alienate the rest of us.


13 posted on 09/26/2012 2:35:36 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Stopped giving through the United Way long ago.

I prefer to give directly.

Actually, right now is the season in which the boys are out, selling their popcorn. I wish that they had something better to sell (they'll never match girl scout cookies) because I don't care for their popcorn. It does make a good Christmas present, though. Or you could just drop a few bucks into their hands as a donation without buying the popcorn.

14 posted on 09/26/2012 2:35:57 PM PDT by Washi
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Odds are very high they will lose way more donations than the cost of the scout aid.


15 posted on 09/26/2012 2:36:24 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Pollster1
I almost got conned into giving since you can choose your 501 c3 at work and they claim to "match" your giving. I found Taxpayers League of MN, but then found out the match goes to the charity of United Way's choice.
16 posted on 09/26/2012 2:38:03 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

IIRC, this all started with Levi’s pressuring United Way to stop funding the BSA. UW eventually relented under pressure. I stopped giving to UW and haven’t wore a pair of Levi’s or Dockers since. BTW, Wrangler has a line of slacks named Riata, the dye and the fabric is much better. They hold a crease and cost a lot less than a pair of Dockers.


17 posted on 09/26/2012 2:42:14 PM PDT by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Do people still contribute to United Way? Wow.

I stopped when I left active duty in the Navy in 1973. I started moving my meager contributions to the Boy Scouts when my son was a scout, about eighteen years ago. Indeed, he graduated an Eagle.

18 posted on 09/26/2012 2:42:24 PM PDT by stevem
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To: MarineBrat

I wonder if United Way acn survive with only the 1% of fags supporting them.

Like another poster said , my threat of not supporting them is no threat since I dumped them years ago.


19 posted on 09/26/2012 2:43:18 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Right Wing Assault
The Boy Scouts don't need the UW. Give them a buck or two when you see them selling popcorn, or selling Christmas trees. My son has never needed to pay for camping because of peoples generous donations, and the hard work the boys do.

I can't speak for the girl scouts, my girls want nothing to do with them.

20 posted on 09/26/2012 2:43:49 PM PDT by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: MarineBrat

Thus endeth my support of United Way.


21 posted on 09/26/2012 2:45:38 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (We can’t just leave it (food choice) up to the parents. -- moochele obozo 2/12/2012 (cnsnews))
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To: Las Vegas Dave

don’t know if THIS has been posted, but since it was three days ago..
INTEL pulls donations
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/chandler/article_b5c32564-05f5-11e2-9b19-001a4bcf887a.html

The Girl Scouts ban men from being leaders. Revoke funding next?


22 posted on 09/26/2012 2:49:18 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

i stopped giving to the united grab a long time ago more the 30 yrs now and will not ever give to them


23 posted on 09/26/2012 2:56:33 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: TurboZamboni
I almost got conned into giving since you can choose your 501 c3 at work and they claim to "match" your giving. I found Taxpayers League of MN, but then found out the match goes to the charity of United Way's choice.

Me too. I almost fell for the same one, until I read the same fine print. I hope conversations like these enlighten other Freepers.

24 posted on 09/26/2012 2:58:07 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Stop giving to the United Way.
Get involved and donate to a charity in YOUR community and check how its funds are spent.


25 posted on 09/26/2012 2:58:51 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Well, in this day and age, they can’t expect to be an exclusive outfit - ain’t American.

And that goes for The NAAWP and the CWC (National Assoc. for the Advancement of White People and the Congressional White Caucus - oh wait...


26 posted on 09/26/2012 2:59:09 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

UW means no harm. They are simply trying to increase the opportunities to diddle little boys.


27 posted on 09/26/2012 3:01:43 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

The reason I stopped donating to them back in the early ‘90’s.

In 1989 I got almost all of my department to participate. The only other department with a higher rate was personnel (4 people, big whoop).

My method “Give them a buck, get them off your back.” Make the lowest possible donation, one time only, and then you won’t have them nagging you.

It worked - and the UW for a whole $25-$30 buck (More than they deserved), but they had to report that my department (Maintenance, you know, the lowest of the low) got a higher % donation rate than the big time mucky-mucks. Yes, I had a good laugh over that.


28 posted on 09/26/2012 3:04:19 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: KosmicKitty

Companies get big accolades from employees “contributions”. In my experienced, forced contributions.


29 posted on 09/26/2012 3:06:26 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Haven’t given to those bastards in over 15 years . . . they subsidize abortions and feminazi organizations and they’ve been after the Boy Scouts for upholding God and the sanctity of family.

May United Way/Appeal/(or whatever they call themselves) go to HELL.


30 posted on 09/26/2012 3:06:34 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: Las Vegas Dave

..stopped giving to the very selective united way 20 years ago


31 posted on 09/26/2012 3:08:57 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Pollster1

United Way’s chosen fund is usually some crap no sober,freedom loving person would ever voluntarily donate to.


32 posted on 09/26/2012 3:13:52 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni
United Way’s chosen fund is usually some crap no sober,freedom loving person would ever voluntarily donate to.

Also, if you specify a decent charity, they reduce the amount they give that charity from their general fund and give the same amount from your designated donation. The places we choose do not actually get more money if we select them through UW. That disgusts me.

33 posted on 09/26/2012 3:16:11 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Pollster1

that’s United Gay.


34 posted on 09/26/2012 3:18:55 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

They will probably give it to the Jerry Sandusky Legal Defense Fund.

Don’t they have children of their own?

Or are they all “Progressive Thinkers” who actually want their children to be molested by queers?
That gives them bragging rights at the next Democrat party meeting.


35 posted on 09/26/2012 3:23:33 PM PDT by Iron Munro (US Embassies Come and Go But An Obama Apology Lasts Forever)
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To: factoryrat

Damn Right. I researched United Way years ago and found out that they were corrupt, never gave them a dime, never will.
I have personal experience with the charity of the Salvation Army. I have always given and will go out of my way to contribute to their good works.


36 posted on 09/26/2012 3:29:35 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: machogirl

Yes; the Girl Scouts do ban men from being troop leaders but in contrast to that ban, they do encourage fathers to be involved with their programs. Particularly the the field and wilderness events. Had a hell of a lot of fun with both my son and daughter. Taught them how to do things that their troop leaders didn’t particularly care for or think were very nice.


37 posted on 09/26/2012 3:41:47 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
The battlefield has shaped into 2 opposing lines consisting of ...

1. Christian denominations which stand by orthodox Christian teachings on sexuality and which charter Cub Packs and Boy Scout Troops, e.g., LDS Church, UMC (Methodist - they are becoming wobblely), and RCC.

2. Small private businesses with traditional values which continue to financially support BSA.

vs.

1. Christian denominations which oppose orthodox Christian teachings on sexuality and which charter Cub Packs and Boy Scout Troops, e.g., ELCA (Lutheran), PCUSA (Presbyterian), TEC (Episcopal), and UCC (United Church of Christ). It is probably only a matter of time before these denominations are directed to cancel their unit charters with BSA.

2. Corporate America which has rapidly adopted diversity/anti-discrimination employee/charitable donation rules. Two CEOs on the BSA national executive board, James Turly of Ernst & Young and Randall Stephenson of AT&T, pledged to work inside BSA to change its membership policy to include homosexuals. Stephenson is expected to be selected as the BSA national president in 2014.
http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9VCBA581%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=931

http://issuu.com/humanrightscampaign/docs/hrc-cei-2011-final
The Human Rights Campaign’s 9th annual (2011) Corporate Equality Index

http://nglcc.org/files/nglcc-splash/index.html
National Gay & Lesbian Chamber of Commerce

3. United Way chapters in the largest metro areas, on the left coast, north central mid-west, and northeast. One of the UW charity receiving agencies, Big Brothers/Big Sisters, implemented a policy in 2002 that bans discrimination against open homosexuals as volunteers and mentors of children at its 500 affiliates around the United States
http://www.bsa-discrimination.org/html/UnitedWay-Top.html
United Way BSA Chapters Deal w/ BSA

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/18/142725.shtml
Big Brothers Approves Homosexual Mentors

4. Hollywood, Madison Avenue, academia, MSM, and the Democrat Pary.

S Steven Spielberg, aged 65 – film-maker, mogul extraordinaire, 1 of the 3 founders of DreamWorks SKG which was launched in 1994. He was an Eagle Scout and a member of the Boy Scouts of America’s (BSA) national board of directors until he resigned in protest in 2001 because of BSA’s membership policy which excludes open homosexual members. (One cannot avoid making the connection between this action and his business relationship with DreamWorks SKG partner, David Geffen.)

K Jeffrey Katzenberg, aged 61 - film producer, 1 of the 3 founders of DreamWorks SKG which was launched in 1994. Currently CEO of DreamWorks Animation.

G David Geffen, aged 69 - record executive, film producer, theatrical producer and philanthropist. He is 1 of the 3 founders of DreamWorks SKG which launched in 1994. He is openly homosexual. In 2004, state senator Barack Hussein Obama (D-IL) delivered the keynote address at the Democrat Party Convention. Geffen told him afterwards that he would support him for President in 2008 and later made good on his word when he switched his support from Hillary Clinton to Obama in 2006.

Mitt Romney - 2012 GOP Presidential candidate
 Boy Scouts of America was founded in 1910.
 LDS Church adopted BSA as its official male youth program in 1913. It remains so to this day.
 LDS Church condemns active homosexuality.
 Mitt Romney’s family line goes back several generations in the Mormon Church. He is a lifelong Mormon and is very active in his church having served as a bishop and stake president.
 Mitt Romney’s 3 youngest sons are Eagle Scouts. (A Mormon in the White House?: 10 Things Every American Should Know about Mitt Romney, by Hugh Hewitt, © 2007, Regnery Publishing, Inc., Washington, D.C.)
 Mitt Romney served on the BSA national executive board of directors during the 1990s.
 Mitt Romney (R) ran for (and lost) the U.S. Senate seat in MA against Ted Kennedy (D). While campaigning in 1994 (and still sitting on the BSA national executive board) he publically stated that open homosexual youths and adults should be admitted as members into BSA. During the campaign he proclaimed his support of the homosexual agenda in MA (partner state benefits and civil unions).
 Boy Scouts from the Atlanta Area Council participated in large numbers at the 1996 Summer Olympic games in Atlanta. Cobb County, which is adjacent to Fulton County/Atlanta had previously passed anti-homosexual legislation. Homosexualist activists organized the "Olympics Out of Cobb County" campaign which successfully diverted the 1996 Summer Olympics torch relay (which preceded the start of the games by a few days) away from Cobb County, Georgia.
 Around 2000, the LDS Church surpassed the UMC Church as the denomination with the largest number of chartered Cub packs and Boy Scout troops. There are many allegations that many of the registered youth members are not active in the units, i.e., their families are members of the Wards but the boys do not participate in Scouting.  0n June 28, 2000 the SCOTUS ruled on Boy Scouts of America et al. v. Dale, 530 U.S. 640. It held that the BSA, with respect to the right of freedom of association, had the right to exclude a person from membership when "the presence of that person affected in a significant way the group's ability to advocate public or private viewpoints. The court ruled that opposition to homosexuality and atheists are part of BSA's "expressive message", and allowing homosexuals or atheists as adult leaders would interfere with that message. The documentation submitted during the case revealed that several local BSA councils were already implementing what essentially was a “Don’t Ask – Don’t Tell” membership policy during the early 1990s.
 LGBTQ activist groups vocally opposed Utah's 2002 Winter Olympic bid because of the Utah State Legislature's imposition of a ban on same-sex marriage in 1995. Utah has the largest concentration of Mormons within the United States. The Mormon Church headquarters is in Salt Lake City. The Olympics Out of Utah Committee staged protests on Interstate 15, which included the use of slow-driving cars to disrupt traffic.
 Mitt Romney was asked to take over as chairman of the financially plagued Salt Lake City Olympic Organizing Committee in 1999 He resigned his job as president of Bain Capital to do so. BSA’s Great Salt Lakes Council anticipated participating heavily with Scouting volunteers - youths and adults. The Olympic Organizing Committee, under Mitt Romney’s leadership, denied the Boy Scouts from participating. Olympic Organizing Committee spokesperson, Caroline Shaw, stated that the organizing committee had rules against involving under-age (<18 years of age) volunteers. Yet (1) adult Scouters were denied the opportunity to volunteer while wearing their uniforms, and (2) all Scouts and Scouters were permitted to volunteer individually out of uniform (many did so). It was seen clearly for the red herring that it was because of how the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta (which were much larger in size – the number of Olympic athletes competing, the number of events held, and the number of ticketholders to watch the different events) permitted involvement by the Boy Scouts. Mitt Romney refused to ever meet or talk with professional and volunteer Scouters from the Great Salt Lakes Council. Mitt Romney was roundly praised for turning around the troubled Olympic games in Salt Lake City into a successful business venture.
 Mitt Romney was elected governor (R) of MA in 2003. On his watch, MA becames the 1st state in the nation to approve homosexual marriage in 2004. It was done through the state government and not by ballot/public referendum. Romney was roundly criticized by social conservatives for how he mis-handled this issue.
 In 2006 Mitt Romney proclaimed that homosexual couples have legitimate interests in adopting children.  Romney spokesperson, Andrea Saul, wrote in an e-mail in AUG 2012 that Romney’s 1994 position for inclusion of open homosexual members in BSA remains his position today.

5. Rogue BSA councils whose Scout Executive and/or Executive Board openly defies BSA's national membership policy.
http://www.scoutsforequality.com/

As the article explains, if you currently donate your "fair share" to UW, you may check the UW form to direct your gift directly to the local BSA council which uses the $ for (1) salary of staff, (2) maintenance of council properties (e.g., service center and summer camp), (3) maintenance of the Scout Shop in the service center, and (4) funding local scouting events/programs. UW funding does not go to individual Scouting units. Of course, if your UW chapter does not support BSA, it will withold any previous funding it used to donate while honoring your direct gift. Of course, direct giving is nothing but a shell game. The UW chapter already has its allocation budget in place and will make every effort to stick to it.

Many in corporate America are heavily pressured to support the UW. Directing your giving to BSA may be your only option.

38 posted on 09/26/2012 3:52:52 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: 5th MEB

I did the leader thing for four years girl scouts and pack thing for four years boys. In our very large girl scout troop, there was only one father that was involved. (single dad). My ex-husband did very little for boy scouts and nothing for the girl scouts. I wish more parents had showed up for the meetings. We didn’t get very many. Kudos to you for doing that!


39 posted on 09/26/2012 3:57:44 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: DYngbld
20. The Boy Scouts don't need the UW. ...

Sadly, this statement is incorrect. The battlefield is shifting and BSA (national) is working hard to help its local councils to source much needed funding and make up for the decline in UW funding, which is only increasing.

There is much misinformation in the general public about BSA operating expenses and sources of funding. Basically, BSA works at 3 levels: (1) national council office in Irving, TX, (2) ~ 200 local councils, and (3) the individual youth units, i.e., Cub Packs, and Boy Scout troops chartered to various organizations - mainly churches.

The operating budgets of the local councils can range over ~ 25-60% dependent upon UW giving. There are ~ 1,300 UW chapters in the U.S. A council may have several UW chapters within its boundary. The council has to prepare detailed requests to the UW chapters to qualify for funding. Smaller councils may have to to take out short-term bank loans just to make payroll - I've witnessed that.

Most volunteers work/help at the unit level and make donations to help fund their unit(s). But $$$ is needed at the national and council levels to provide for (1) staff salaries, (2) property maintenance, (3) insurance needs, especially litigation, and (4) program development, e.g., all of the printed materials needed to guide volunteer adults and youth in achieving quality programs.

40 posted on 09/26/2012 4:02:04 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: Las Vegas Dave
This is exactly why I haven't given to UW in more than 30 years. It is also why I give directly to BSA, Salvation Army and Catholic Charities.

Eff the United Way.

41 posted on 09/26/2012 4:17:04 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I believe United Way will rue this action. The will see a drop in their donation receipts. Many people will stop giving to United Way.

Our United Way campaign is about to begin, in October, and I am sure the commitments will drop throughout the nation.


42 posted on 09/26/2012 4:31:46 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Geez, I thought United Way had parted company with the Boy Scouts decades ago. It was followed shortly thereafter by a campaign to not give to UW, and instead give to the Boy Scouts directly.

I recall it was a big success, with the Boy Scouts getting a lot more money than usual, and UW getting all whiny that their donations had plummeted.


43 posted on 09/26/2012 5:09:36 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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This happened in PA years ago. Husbands work insists donations to United Way. So we have designated directly to the local Boys Scouts. They have to send the money there if it is designated to a specific organization by the donor.


44 posted on 09/26/2012 5:37:01 PM PDT by Jenny217
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To: Las Vegas Dave


45 posted on 09/26/2012 5:42:29 PM PDT by Iron Munro (US Embassies Come and Go But An Obama Apology Lasts Forever)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

“Officials with United Way of Greater Cleveland announced Tuesday they are moving to pull their funding next year from the Boy Scouts of America...{

This isn’t rocket science; it’s war. Publish the pictures, addresses and telephone numbers of these traitors and make it known they will not be given water, gasoline, food or clothing by any business in Cleveland. Any business that breaks the boycott will be run out of business.


46 posted on 09/26/2012 6:35:32 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: MacNaughton

Both Romney and Obama support gays participating in the Boy Scout program.


47 posted on 09/26/2012 6:40:48 PM PDT by brightright
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To: brightright

And your point is?


48 posted on 09/26/2012 7:39:38 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: Right Wing Assault
Odds are very high they will lose way more donations than the cost of the scout aid.

I send all my money directly to places like BSA. Stopped giving to United Way because they support abortions.

49 posted on 09/26/2012 8:02:28 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: ohioman

Sorry to confuse you my point is that both Romney and Obama support gays participating in the Boy Scout program.


50 posted on 09/26/2012 8:51:22 PM PDT by brightright
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