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EDITORIAL: Rigging the polls
Washington Times ^ | 09/27/2012 | Editorial Board

Posted on 09/27/2012 3:56:58 AM PDT by nhwingut

Last week New York Times polling guru Nate Silver tweeted, “The. Polls. Have. Stopped. Making. Any. Sense.” They do make a lot of sense if the objective is to help President Obama win a second term — or so Democrats think.

Major election surveys in the last few months have shown Mr. Obama either in the lead or tied for the win, despite an economic record of massive unemployment and astronomical debt. With that kind of baggage, the current Oval Office occupant ought to be trailing by at least 10 points.[SNIP]

Another way to avoid the pitfalls of subjective partisan sampling is to look at the political middle. No candidate has been elected president in the modern era without winning middle-class voters and independents. According to the latest Politico/George Washington University battleground poll, Mr. Romney has a commanding 14-point advantage among middle-class families. According to Gallup, the “pure independents,” those without partisan or ideological affiliation, give Mr. Obama a 37 percent approval rating. Mr. Obama may believe that those who live on government handouts represent a “majority coalition,” but if he loses Middle America he will be off to Hawaii in January.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: mediabias; polls

1 posted on 09/27/2012 3:57:01 AM PDT by nhwingut
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To: nhwingut

Polls are propaganda sheep herders.


2 posted on 09/27/2012 4:06:48 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: nhwingut
Here is why I no longer waste time on Fox unless something serious is going on... last night the dark stars were lamenting the polls and Mitt's demise... they all said, “All of these polls can;t be wrong”. I said, “They are not all wrong... Rasmussen... the most accurate over the last 4 elections... does not show what these other media polls show... the difference... the bias to dim voters". I do not think that they heard me... they went on praising obama like they did in 2007.

LLS

3 posted on 09/27/2012 4:26:52 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: Eye of Unk

Rush talks about this in his recent article titled, “Dont Let Bogus Polls Depress You”. Good read!

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/09/26/don_t_let_bogus_polls_depress_you

Dickie Morris was on O’Reilly yesterday with a great explanation of how pollsters massage poll numbers to ascertain a trend or to get the result they want. Fascinating! I had no idea. Bottom line: polls have definite limitations and can be easily manipulated to fool the stupid people.


4 posted on 09/27/2012 4:36:25 AM PDT by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: nhwingut
A new meme is that not reelecting Obama is racist.

So, "Once you vote black, you can never go back." is not a racist statement?

5 posted on 09/27/2012 4:36:34 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (All Y'all White Peoples is racist!)
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To: nhwingut

Just like the liberal media, polling firms are not concerned about credibility.

What they both seek is relevance, and the pollsters get that only by helping the media distort the reality that America is extremely angry with Barack Obama, and will summarily give him the hook in November.

The polls completely missed the 2010 mid-terms, in hundreds of races. They missed the Wisconsin recall by 6 to 8 points, yet the liberal media asks us to believe them.

Polls have value only to the extent that they help bolster the liberal media’s goal here, to prevent the exposure of the absolute meltdown liberalism and the Democratic Party is currently experiencing.


6 posted on 09/27/2012 4:36:57 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: wayoverontheright

Well put.


7 posted on 09/27/2012 4:38:31 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The pundits have forgotten the 2010 elections.)
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To: nhwingut

This election would be a great time to sink the polling organizations, so discrediting them that it would take them years to recover. Surely inventive conservatives will think of their own ways of doing this when they are contacted by polling businesses.


8 posted on 09/27/2012 4:42:07 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: LibLieSlayer

Fox has been in the tank for the Democrat nominee each of the last three cycles. If you remember, they were nearly cheerleading for Kerry in 2004. They heaped praise on his speech at the convention and in the debates. In 2008, they ignored Obama’s record and even guys like Krauthammer (who had previously warned of Obama’s lefism) fell under the spell of his speeches. They gave Obama airtime DURING the RNC convention. Their polls are also awful.

Fox is not much different than the rest during presidential election cycles.


9 posted on 09/27/2012 4:42:50 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: nhwingut

Maybe these outrageous numbers will make some dumbocrats stay home because he already “won” the election. Just the opposite of what the pollsters want. Ah, poetic justice.


10 posted on 09/27/2012 4:47:00 AM PDT by CPOSharky (zero slogan: Expect less, pay more. (apologies to Target))
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To: CPOSharky

Yeah, I’m thinking the same thing now. A lot of Dem voters are lazy. Yet I know those of us voting against Obama will walk over broken glass to cast a vote for Romney and Ryan,

Could be wishful thinking, but at least I can rationalize that these polls will take the edge off the community organizers trying to get out the O vote.


11 posted on 09/27/2012 4:50:28 AM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: LibLieSlayer

Yep. I no longer watch FOX at all. I used to watch regularly (other than Shep) - from 4pm on — Cavuto, Five (Beck before), Special Report, OReilly, etc. Now I only watch Hannity and sometimes Greta. The TV is turned to History Channel now most of the time, with a little King of Queens for some laughs.

They go out of their way to get the liberal point of view. I find myself muting the button too much. Not worth my blood pressure.


12 posted on 09/27/2012 4:57:33 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: nhwingut

I think Romney will win but not by as much as he should given Obama’s awful record. Obama has been a rank failure at everything he’s tried except for being the president when Bin-Laden got killed. And he’s trying to milk that one to death. One or two millions votes.


13 posted on 09/27/2012 5:02:59 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: nhwingut

Yes, I just cannot see how anyone that goes to the store or the gas pump is still drooling for the re-election of Obama. The man has been and will continue to be a disaster for this country, in many different facets.


14 posted on 09/27/2012 5:04:23 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
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To: bopdowah

I actually watched Morris yesterday (irritating voice and all) The explanation was a good one.

Unfortunately, you can’t fix stupid...and the uninformed will believe it as much as a 30 second ad.

All that aside, I still think this will be the mother of all upsets on 11.6.2012

I wish for once I could have a wall of TV screens tuned to lieral channels to watch their collective heads explode.


15 posted on 09/27/2012 5:07:52 AM PDT by SueRae (See it? Hell, I can TASTE November from my house!)
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To: ilgipper

100% agree.

LLS


16 posted on 09/27/2012 5:17:39 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: nhwingut
Same here... fox was on 24/7 for years... now only when something big is breaking... and cnn has better breaking news. How pathetic is that?! I have been watching The Big Bang Theory.

LLS

17 posted on 09/27/2012 5:19:38 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

There’s an easy out for people who elected Obama in 2008 so as to not appear racist but don’t want to re-elect him, and I’ll bet they know it. They can claim to have been “unable to decide and left it blank.” Even if they vote Romney in the privacy of the voting booth, that little white lie to their friends is a free “Immune From Racist Charge” card.


18 posted on 09/27/2012 5:23:13 AM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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sfl


19 posted on 09/27/2012 5:41:00 AM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: nhwingut

We have polls showing Romney ahead among middle class voters by 15%, they show him with an 11% lead among independents yet these same pollsters expect us to believe that he trails odumbo overall? The audacity of Propoganda!


20 posted on 09/27/2012 5:42:33 AM PDT by pgkdan (A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for obama. GO MITT!!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Well, having AB Stoddard, the smoking queen, as well as Powers on with only that wuss, Hayes, as a counter weight really was - ahem - skewing things last night. Even Baier is contorting to try to make the biased polls look legit because his producer is making him report on them...as illegit as they are...so I’m with you...I watch Gerri Willis on Fox Business after watching the Special Report opening...only if polls or Rove are not mentioned.


21 posted on 09/27/2012 6:12:01 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: ilgipper

Oddly, I recall they were in the tank big time for Romney during the primary...
Shades of Colin Powell?


22 posted on 09/27/2012 6:13:55 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: nhwingut

Their little tricks with the poll numbers will bite them in the butt.

Their own constituents are so lazy and ignorant that they will see the phony polls and not bother to show up on election day....


23 posted on 09/27/2012 6:30:47 AM PDT by Red Badger (Anyone who thinks wisdom comes with age is either too young or too stupid to know the difference....)
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To: nhwingut
Unskewed Polls
24 posted on 09/27/2012 6:38:08 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: matginzac

Indeed... that is the way that I see it too.

LLS


25 posted on 09/27/2012 8:25:39 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: nhwingut

The article says the following at the end:

“Committed anti-Obama voters will show up to cast their ballots no matter what, but this is not the case with smug, self-satisfied Obama supporters who have been told they cannot lose.”

This is an interesting point. GOP voters are usually more dedicated to voting, so I think there’s some truth in this observation. However, I don’t think it will be an issue. Unless something happens to really change the race in Obama’s favor, polls around election time will either show a close race or Romney ahead.


26 posted on 09/27/2012 8:44:19 AM PDT by TomEwall
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