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NAACP claims discriminatory admission practices at [New York] city's elite high schools
New York Daily News ^ | SEPTEMBER 26, 2012 | BEN CHAPMAN

Posted on 09/27/2012 8:37:57 AM PDT by reaganaut1

The NAACP has filed a bombshell complaint with the U.S. Department of Education, alleging discriminatory admission practices at the city’s elite high schools.

In a blistering document delivered to the feds Thursday morning, the NAACP accused the city of barring black and Latino students from eight of its “best public schools,” including Stuyvesant High School in Manhattan, where only 1% of students are black. “Black and Latino students don’t see opportunity at places like Stuyvesant because of the admissions process,” said NAACP attorney Rachel Kleinman. “It’s not fair and it’s bad policy.”

The city’s Specialized High Schools Admissions Test is the only method that is used to judge students for admission to the eight elite high schools.

The NAACP believes the grueling exam is unfair to black and Latino students because they are denied admission “at rates far higher than other racial groups.” Nearly 31% of white students and 35% of Asian students who take the test are offered seats at the top schools, compared with just 5% of black students and 6.7% of Latinos.

The NAACP doesn’t specify how the test discriminates against blacks and Latinos, but Kleinman said those students may lack tutoring and other resources. Education officials hit back against the NAACP’s complaint, arguing the test is color-blind.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bellcurve; education; naacp; nyc; quotas
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The Bell Curve strikes again.
1 posted on 09/27/2012 8:38:03 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

How could this happen in New York, bastion of diversity? /s


2 posted on 09/27/2012 8:42:40 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (ZERO DARK THIRTY (coming soon to an embassy near you))
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To: reaganaut1

conforms with tagline ... got to hammer down excellence lest the mediocre look bad.


3 posted on 09/27/2012 8:42:40 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Obama gives us the gift of downward mobility)
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To: reaganaut1

I have an idea. Why does not the NAACP and La Raza
and the two “Reverends” start a fund raising campaign
to support the hiring of tutors for black and brown students.


4 posted on 09/27/2012 8:43:44 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: NonValueAdded
Go after the Liberal Elite's Kids

I love it

5 posted on 09/27/2012 8:44:23 AM PDT by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: scooby321

The liberal elite sends its kids to expensive NYC private schools. The public exam schools have many bright kids from middle and low-income families.


6 posted on 09/27/2012 8:47:40 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Sad to say, it does, and it doesn’t. That Asian rate ought to be up there well over 65% ~ so they are screwing with the results.


7 posted on 09/27/2012 8:48:56 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: reaganaut1

It’s “not fair” if you born to parents who are crack-head degenerates who consumed massive quantities of alcohol and smoked when they were pregnant. It’s “not fair” if you have a twisted DNA giving you a low IQ. It’s not fair!


8 posted on 09/27/2012 8:50:50 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: hal ogen
It’s not fair!

The fair is where you go to eat too much cotton candy and ride the tilt-a-whirl.

9 posted on 09/27/2012 8:52:38 AM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: reaganaut1

Stuy is an outstanding school, one of the best in the nation. It is very difficult to get in. Parents that can afford private school send their children to Stuy.

I got in during the early 80s, but I went to Regis instead. A private, all scholarship school also in nyc. And Stuyvesant’s superior. ;-)


10 posted on 09/27/2012 8:54:31 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: reaganaut1

The schools can shrug and say if the test is discriminatory, it is the city’s fault, since it’s their test, so sue Bloomberg. And good luck with that.

Bottom line, pick about any standardized test and black students will do poorer on it than other students. This is not the fault of the test. Nor does it mean that black students should get something they have not achieved.

Sorry. At some point, society has to put its foot down and accept that losers are losers, and deserve no support if they cannot or will not improve themselves.

While indeed there was discrimination in the past, it is almost entirely gone, so the rules to correct it need to be gone as well.


11 posted on 09/27/2012 8:55:48 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: reaganaut1

Senator Schumer sent his daughter to Stuyvesant.


12 posted on 09/27/2012 8:56:51 AM PDT by goldi
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To: reaganaut1
NAACP claims discriminatory admission practices at [New York] city's elite high schools

Lemme guess - - the tests and admissions criteria are exactly the same for everybody, and that's not fair to blacks?

13 posted on 09/27/2012 8:58:32 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: reaganaut1
Five black players and one white player. Shouldn't we `diversify' NCAA football?
14 posted on 09/27/2012 9:00:30 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: reaganaut1
Education officials hit back against the NAACP’s complaint, arguing the test is color-blind.

LMBO!!!
It's Ubamaworld now, and "color-blind" is not the way good Democrats are supposed to think. Quite the opposite, in fact.

15 posted on 09/27/2012 9:01:31 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: reaganaut1

Our public high schools in Rochester NY. Only 10% of the blacks graduate. These were the very best schools around in my day.


16 posted on 09/27/2012 9:02:05 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: reaganaut1

War is Peace
Ignorance in Strength
Freedom is Slavery
Colorblindness is Racism


17 posted on 09/27/2012 9:07:02 AM PDT by LaserJock
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To: Maine Mariner

Instead they want to put the black and hispanic kids into classes where they will do poorly, drop out and feel like losers.

Why do they want to do that to these poor kids?

Look at what happened up at Harvard. A bunch of their football and basketball players got expelled for cheating. Why? Because they were put into environments where they were competing with other kids with perfect SATs and IQs of 150.

Don’t these liberal do-gooders realize the suffering they cause?


18 posted on 09/27/2012 9:08:31 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: reaganaut1

I remember waaaay back in 1967, when NC finally intergrated its schools, I had a world history class. Most of the black students were failing the class and the teacher got the word that he must lighten up on the black students.


19 posted on 09/27/2012 9:08:41 AM PDT by Buddygirl (Just about all Democrats are (blank). You fill in the blank!)
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To: reaganaut1

” The NAACP believes the grueling exam is unfair to black and Latino students because they are denied admission “at rates far higher than other racial groups.””

So what?

Maybe they flunked the exam.....YEAH, I’ll bet they flunked the entrance exam.....dat’s de ticket!


20 posted on 09/27/2012 9:09:16 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: reaganaut1

I went to one of the NYC special high schools, and it’s true that in general a lot of the students were actually from very well-off families that could have afforded to send them to private schools, and that therefore these students had the advantage of private coaching, etc. for the exams and throughout their pre-high school educational careers. But that’s just how it is.

There are certainly many in the black upper middle class now in NYC who can do the same, but I suspect that a lot of them send their children to private school as a status thing, and therefore this reduces the number of available black students. Many of the brighter Hispanic students probably attend one of the good Catholic high schools (based on my casual observation).

So that leaves a pool of less well prepared minority students (thanks to a combination of some lousy NYC public schools and parents who don’t care). However, that said, I think there are also teachers in some of NYC’s junior high schools that have large minority populations who never encourage the kids to aim for one of these schools or even to take a chance and apply. NYC schools are full of burned-out union hacks who do nothing to inspire or encourage the kids.

If they were serious about this disparity, they should look at preparation or lack thereof in the lower grades; they should also look at encouragement and information given by the teachers regarding the special high schools. Unfortunately, I think what they really want to do is lower the standards for the schools. That’s what they did to City College, once a school considered comparable to the Ivies academically and after a few years of “open enrollment,” a joke that nobody even wanted to claim as their alma mater.


21 posted on 09/27/2012 9:10:20 AM PDT by livius
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To: Sacajaweau
Our public high schools in Rochester NY. Only 10% of the blacks graduate.

That's why the push to integrate schools -- artificially if necessary. Ya gotta hide that little stat in the averages. And, no matter how much I despise unions, you can't blame the teachers for a 10% graduation rate.

22 posted on 09/27/2012 9:11:17 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Without economic freedom, no other form of freedom can have material meaning.)
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To: reaganaut1

Well, yeah, they don’t allow stupid people in.........


23 posted on 09/27/2012 9:12:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: reaganaut1

I agree with the NAACP. If they want to have student enrollment in proportion to the racial makeup of the city it is not fair to expect black kids to pass a test.

The answer is quite simple, They cannot pass those tests in the proportions desired.

They cannot pass the Fire department tests, they cannot pass the police Departments tests. The Government has forced these agencies to hire under a quota system and it is only right to establish a quota system for blacks going to high School.’

It is a good thing that tests are not required for teachers or there would be few black teachers.They simply show their sheepskin and they are hired. Once in they are in for good.

The only answer to the problem of getting more black kids into this elite High School is to establish a quota system and allow those black students who could not pass the test to slow down the others. That’s the only fair way, it works for affirmative action jobs and it should work for affirmative action education.


24 posted on 09/27/2012 9:16:26 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: reaganaut1

I am surprised that schools have been able to admit by just testing. My question would be, how have they been able to get away with this? In New York City, no less. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.


25 posted on 09/27/2012 9:16:45 AM PDT by mom.mom
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To: goldi

Dick Morris, Eric Holder, David Axelrod, Jerry Nadler, Thelonius Monk, and my son are also Stuyvesant alums.


26 posted on 09/27/2012 9:22:45 AM PDT by map
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To: reaganaut1

I think they dont want to say the students did anything wrong it must be a test.

Responsibility is what is lacking in school. If you break the rules you get punished. If you get a bad grade you should get a bad grade.This is teachers and students and parents.

I say we open all information of schools as public record. Attendance, discipline actions, tests, SAT, and quizes. Why not have a facebook page for each teacher? Each student?

Life is hard and no one will help you if you dont help yourself.


27 posted on 09/27/2012 9:30:08 AM PDT by Baseballguy (If we knew what we know now in Oct would we do anything different?)
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To: reaganaut1

Seems to me the only people getting discriminated against anywhere is the middle aged white Christian male.


28 posted on 09/27/2012 9:49:46 AM PDT by crosshairs (America: Once the land of the free. Still the home of the brave.)
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To: reaganaut1
Here in Dayton the city has set up a STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Math) school. This should have been an elite school, with a test for admission. However, the funding source requires that the school take all applicants, first-come first-served, until enrollment is full. The only hope is that the word will get out, don't apply, this place is tough. If instead they water down the curriculum, it will be another waste.
29 posted on 09/27/2012 9:51:19 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: livius

There has been a study done of black male students in Prince George’s Co (bastion of the black “bourgoisie”) which showed that these black males from upper middle class two-parent families (often both parents holding higer degrees) still have lower SAT scores, higher drop-out rates, and higher crime rates than white male students from lower SES families. So the so-called “white privilege” (the alleged extra tutors, etc) is not the factor making a difference in scores or drop-out rates. But we can’t discuss other possibilities, we have to just continue to lower standards and throw money down the black hole. Kansas City SD blew literally billions of court-ordered dollars to achieve exactly nothing except, in the end, the closing of schools, and no narrowing of the “achievement gap”. Well, quite a few “administrators” got their shot at the trough, so there’s that.


30 posted on 09/27/2012 9:53:58 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: Baseballguy

That’s not going to happen. Obozo and the race industry have decided that the disparity in school discipline between whites and blacks is unfair, so he has enacted regulations that disciplinary actions must be equal. So if a black student is disciplined for fighting in school, some white kid chewing bubble gum in class must be found and “disciplined” in the same measure.


31 posted on 09/27/2012 9:59:09 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: reaganaut1

As Elmer Fudd says Waisim, Waisim, Waisim.


32 posted on 09/27/2012 10:04:46 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: mom.mom

I’d bet there’s a large percentage of students with liberal elite parents. They always expect the “diversity” measures they push to affect everyone but them. But now that we live in actual BRA, that’s coming back to bite them in the azz. Just like the NAACP protest regarding these schools, just like the gated communities protesting Section 8 vouchers being used in their communities. I don’t know what kind of stupidity made them believe that they’d remain immune from it-presumably they thought they’d get a “pass” because they were in the front lines of forcing it down everyone else’s throat. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out when they realise that they’re still considered the enemy too simply by virtue of being white, in actual BRA.


33 posted on 09/27/2012 10:05:51 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: reaganaut1

Sounds like some city needs a big dose of forced busing.


34 posted on 09/27/2012 10:32:57 AM PDT by Blogatron (Fire President Gilligan!!!)
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To: mrsmel

I actually think you’d find that the source of the problem with black male students is a cultural thing (since black females often seem to do as well as any other group).

They simply don’t value learning or take it seriously and will not make the effort because somehow they believe that everything must be made easy for them. Also they, much more than the girls, seem to believe that being black will suffice to open doors for them even if they are in no way qualified to get into those places.

I worked at a law firm where we interviewed candidates from the top law schools, and the black males were terrible: low grades coupled with a phenomenal sense of entitlement and a lack of any will to work. We had to hire a certain number of them, and they could virtually never pass the Bar exam even after several tries and special coaching. And on the job, they spent their time making passes at the female staffers, talking on the phone, and refusing to do work that they considered too menial for them (all associate’s work is menial!).

The black women, however, were an entirely different matter. They were prepared, hard-working, pleasant, and didn’t have a massive chip on their shoulders. So I don’t think the problem is blackness in itself.

I don’t know how one could analyze it, but I really think the development of the entitlement mentality among blacks (thanks to affirmative action and other programs) has had a disastrous effect on the mental attitude that anyone needs in order to study, work and achieve.

Men, in lower income black society, are never expected to be very responsible but at the same time are regarded as very special; some of these poor deluded baby-mommas consider themselves really fortunate to have a male around whose willing to bless them with his company in exchange for their welfare checks. And now we have a whole society that tells black males of any class that they really don’t have to work or do anything to get what they want, but that simply by breathing they’re “special” and deserve nothing but the best.

BTW, in many African tribal cultures, men also frequently do nothing except impregnate the women and occasionally hunt or fight with members of another tribe. It is the women who farm, run the markets, make the clothing, handle the money, etc. I one time heard women described as “the mule of Africa,” meaning that women were the ones who did all the hard work. So maybe this is an embedded cultural thing that has taken a new form.


35 posted on 09/27/2012 10:35:17 AM PDT by livius
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To: Maine Mariner
"I have an idea. Why does not the NAACP and La Raza and the two “Reverends” start a fund raising campaign to support the hiring of tutors for black and brown students."

Yup...investigate and correct the cause of their failure instead of forcing the schools to 'dumb down' the tests so that the low IQ idiots can pass.

36 posted on 09/27/2012 10:37:33 AM PDT by blam
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To: reaganaut1

The exam doesn’t see color, it sees the results of the test and if they were that great there would be 20% of them in there instead of the 1% they complain about.

This is another attempt to diplace hard working qualified kids in the name of racism.


37 posted on 09/27/2012 10:40:13 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: reaganaut1

you bet. it has to be unfair because the exam actually tests knowledge of useful things such as mathematics and ENglish and history. If only the exam asked about their Swahili names and Kwanzaa and how to sneak across a border so many more blacks and latinos (whatever the hell that is) would be admitted.


38 posted on 09/27/2012 10:42:40 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: livius

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing your experiences.


39 posted on 09/27/2012 11:27:05 AM PDT by floralamiss
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To: reaganaut1

A school for smart kids so they won’t get dragged down to the lowest common denominator is a good idea.

As long as the teachers are smart too.


40 posted on 09/27/2012 11:34:20 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: reaganaut1

Stuyvesant is, what, about 80% Asian? I went to a football game there a few weeks ago. 95% of their cheerleaders were Asian.


41 posted on 09/27/2012 11:38:15 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: reaganaut1

If you can’t pass the exam then you don’t belong in the school. They can’t dumb everything down just so you feel included a-holes.


42 posted on 09/27/2012 11:39:07 AM PDT by History Repeats (Drink plenty of TEA, but avoid the Koolaid.)
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To: LaserJock

Nice job.


43 posted on 09/27/2012 11:42:36 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: thefactor

I note that you did not mention the players or the crowd.


44 posted on 09/27/2012 11:44:21 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: thefactor

Mmmmmmmmm Asian Cheerleaders. lol


45 posted on 09/27/2012 11:52:32 AM PDT by History Repeats (Drink plenty of TEA, but avoid the Koolaid.)
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To: GeronL

Crowd? Not much of one. A few parents. Didn’t get a real good look at the players. They were on the field with helmets. I had to take off at halftime. Regardless, compared to the percent of the overall population, Asians are overrepresented in that school and all the other top schools in the city.


46 posted on 09/27/2012 11:55:30 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: reaganaut1

I presume that all these unfairly-rejected black students have performed wonderfully at the second-choice schools where they ended up, huh?


47 posted on 09/27/2012 12:02:41 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: reaganaut1

The Obama admin is using similar legal theories in housing and employment “discrimination” cases - it’s called “disparate impact” theory; meaning the policy is wrong NOT because anyone was directly, intentionally discriminated against, but simply because it does not produce “demographically diverse results”.

In other words “anti-discrimination policies” must not merely oppose discrimination, they may in fact need to discriminate in order to produce “non-discriminatory results” in the “demographic dispersement” of “equal justice”.

This leads to a perpetually balkanized society where “rights” and “economic justice” are group rights more than individual rights and where some individuals may in fact be discriminated against in order that each demograhic group receives “their fair share”. Just think of the politics of Lebanon.


48 posted on 09/27/2012 12:05:50 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: reaganaut1
I have 9 words:

Can't Pass The Test, Can't Get In. Tough Sh*t.

Life is a bitch, especially when all the baby-daddies take off and leave mom to work to feed those babies.

49 posted on 09/27/2012 12:11:24 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: thefactor
Regardless, compared to the percent of the overall population, Asians are over represented in that school and all the other top schools in the city.

Just out of curiosity, I noticed your use of "over represented", and wondered if you truly believe in racial quotas and affirmative action or if it was just a slip.

I guess you really meant to say something that meant they were better disciplined, had good study habits, and involved caring parents that lead them to objectively outperform other minority groups. Qualities I supposed are admired by conservatives.

50 posted on 09/27/2012 12:16:53 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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