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China's First Carrier Pointed At Japan Over Senkakus
IBD EDITORIALS ^ | September 27, 2012

Posted on 09/27/2012 1:09:09 PM PDT by raptor22

Far East: Wars have started over less weighty issues than the sovereignty of islands in the East China Sea called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China.

They are barely rocks above water, but they sit atop valuable resources and are rapidly becoming a flash point as a rising power confronts one whose sun has set.

These islands have become involved in a three-way tug of war between China, Taiwan and Japan with each sending fishing boats, even armed vessels, to the area. Private boats from Japan recently journeyed to the Senkakus to plant the Japanese flag one more time.

The Senkaku Islands are not only rich fishing areas. They also have significant oil deposits vital to a China scouring the world for energy for its growing economy.

Possession of these uninhabited rocks would be the basis for declaring an exclusive economic zone around the islands.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; carrier; china; ibd; japan; liaoning; senkakus; senkanu

1 posted on 09/27/2012 1:09:13 PM PDT by raptor22
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To: Jeff Head

Ping!


2 posted on 09/27/2012 1:16:37 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: raptor22

None of this is good.


3 posted on 09/27/2012 1:16:56 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: raptor22

Link bad.


4 posted on 09/27/2012 1:19:44 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("On the ascent of Olympus, what's a botched bar or two?" -Artur Schnabel)
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To: raptor22
I certainly hope the Chi-coms have perfected the carrier battle group, otherwise their brand spankin new carrier will be tilting toward the sky as she sinks to the bottom of the ocean.
5 posted on 09/27/2012 1:21:11 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: raptor22

That aircarft carrier is a threat to no one but her crew.


6 posted on 09/27/2012 1:22:37 PM PDT by MeganC (January 20, 2013: The end of an error.)
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To: raptor22

Don’t worry we back our allies!!

Errr.....

...Well, err, we used to back our allies. Now the leader of the current regime just bows to our enemies and our allies enemies.


7 posted on 09/27/2012 1:23:01 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: raptor22

Er ... Senkakus isn’t the son of Porkulus and grandson of Stimulus?


8 posted on 09/27/2012 1:24:37 PM PDT by x
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To: servantboy777

Dont count on that happening You are thinking of our LAST commander in chief.


9 posted on 09/27/2012 1:25:21 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: raptor22

What are they threatening to do, run it aground? Unless its being manned by Russians, it takes decades to master carrier operations from what understand.


10 posted on 09/27/2012 1:40:26 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: raptor22

If Chinese plastic is an indicator, I wouldn’t put too much faith in that Carrier, every glass or item in my home with Chinese plastic is fractured with hairline cracks, our politicians have replaced American and Japanese products with inferior junk, thanks Washington!


11 posted on 09/27/2012 1:49:20 PM PDT by IslamE (epiphany)
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To: raptor22

The issue of the Senkaku Islands has been bubbling away for 30 years but ONLY NOW does it bubble up fiercely.

It’s clearly designed to distract from some huge other (still) secret thing, which is probably a Mount Everest of DEBT.


12 posted on 09/27/2012 1:49:48 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: raptor22; Travis McGee; Jeff Head

Until it gets aircraft its just a really wide cruiser


13 posted on 09/27/2012 1:50:24 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: MeganC
"That aircarft carrier is a threat to no one but her crew."

It might make a great fish reef too. ;-)

14 posted on 09/27/2012 2:24:13 PM PDT by Average Al (The Democrat party is a free range zoo.)
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To: Average Al
"That aircarft carrier is a threat to no one but her crew."

An ex-navy relative of mine messaged me that his still active Navy Buddies wish to thank the Chi-coms for making a nice juicy live-fire target. They feel there is not much to shoot at now Russia's Military has been so decimated. (He tells me Russia is scuttling more ships then they are building these days.)

15 posted on 09/27/2012 2:29:28 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: GeronL

And apparently there are no aircraft capable of landing on a carrier. Not to mention pilots able to do so once there are. It’s for prestige, mostly.

Are these the same islands that Japan just bought back from private owners? That might have been the reason.


16 posted on 09/27/2012 2:36:00 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: Mad Dawgg

it is a navy cross waiting to happen.

also, I think they pulled the SSMs off it so it is not enen a really big cruiser right now.


17 posted on 09/27/2012 2:36:35 PM PDT by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: Mad Dawgg
"(He tells me Russia is scuttling more ships then they are building these days.)"

Are you sure they aren't just rusting and sinking in port? ;-)

18 posted on 09/27/2012 3:05:32 PM PDT by Average Al (The Democrat party is a free range zoo.)
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To: raptor22
“They also have significant oil deposits vital to a China scouring the world for energy for its growing economy.”

I say, it looks like Red China is acting the way Imperial Japan did in the years leading up to Pearl Harbor.

19 posted on 09/27/2012 5:45:19 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: raptor22
The new Chinese Carrier will not figure into this dispute at all for at least two, and probably closr to four years. They do not have the aircraft ready for it yet and will not have a full squadron ready for anouer 18-24 months...then they have to train.

So, right now, she will not come near such a disputed, potential combat area. she would be nothing but a big fat target.

20 posted on 09/27/2012 10:16:33 PM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Mad Dawgg
He tells me Russia is scuttling more ships then they are building these days.

I believe this is true of the United States as well.

21 posted on 09/27/2012 10:51:59 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
"I believe this is true of the United States as well."

A few years back that statement would have astonished me but since I've been living in this "Obamanation" for over three years it not only doesn't surprise me, I expect it.

And "that" is very scary and depressing when I think about it.

22 posted on 09/27/2012 11:02:51 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Average Al
He tells me Russia is scuttling more ships then they are building these days.

Are you sure they aren't just rusting and sinking in port?

That photo of four Russian warships that the Democrats accidentally displayed at their convention to back up one of their speeches, just happens to be the entire Russian Far East Fleet -- all four surface combatants left to answer Putin's call.

Four ships. That's it. No, really.

The rest are honey barges, harbor patrol craft, and such. The major ships are all gone, all but these four.

23 posted on 09/27/2012 11:28:14 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Jeff Head
They do not have the aircraft ready for it yet and will not have a full squadron ready for anouer 18-24 months...then they have to train.

The Japanese experience with trying to train up significant numbers of new naval aviation pilots in 1942-3 after their big losses in the battles of 1942 (when they lost almost their entire 1941 roster of experienced carrier-air flight crewmen and pilots) was dismal. Even with their acute need, they had to stop the practice landings on moored aircraft carriers -- they were just killing pilots.

They had plenty of experience with carrier operations. They just needed pilots -- they'd lost them all in combat. And they just couldn't train them properly under wartime conditions.

24 posted on 09/27/2012 11:34:03 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: raptor22
It's all ok because they now have the white paper, which will clear up everything.

White paper makes watertight case for China's Diaoyu claim

25 posted on 09/27/2012 11:36:48 PM PDT by MarMema (eh.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Wow that is amazing. I never heard that.


26 posted on 09/28/2012 2:45:36 AM PDT by Average Al
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To: hinckley buzzard; Mad Dawg
We were up until Bush's second term and he started on a modest ship building program. See my chart comparing our progress to China's on, THIS PAGE.

That trend has continues, but it is very slow growth. OBama though, is defunding future research needs. The ships we are building now are already funded by law.

Romney has insisted that he will revuild our military and I believe him. he has gone so far to state that the will restart the F-22 line...which would be great. We stopped building the best aircraft in the world...by far...at only 187 aircraft.

27 posted on 09/28/2012 6:48:37 AM PDT by Jeff Head ( Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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