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Fox News poll: Most voters want change, even as Obama holds edge (O 48 R 43 D+4)
FOX News ^ | 09/27/2012 | Dana Blanton

Posted on 09/27/2012 5:00:07 PM PDT by nhwingut

The latest Fox News poll finds the race for the White House holds steady, with 48 percent of likely voters backing the Obama-Biden ticket and 43 percent backing the Romney-Ryan ticket, if the election were held today. That’s unchanged from two weeks ago, after the Democratic convention.

Romney was preferred by one percentage point (45-44 percent) before the two conventions (August 19-21).

The president’s advantage is within the poll’s margin of sampling error.[SNIP]

In addition, even as Obama’s post-convention bounce holds, about a quarter of voters (24 percent) want the country to “mostly stay on the course it’s on,” while 73 percent say “many policies need to change.” Almost all Republicans (95 percent) and most independents (77 percent) think policies need to change, as do just over half of Democrats (51 percent).

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73% say "many policies need to change"... and Obama is winning. Makes absolutely no sense.
1 posted on 09/27/2012 5:00:12 PM PDT by nhwingut
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To: nhwingut

..he only holds the edge in the MSM....


2 posted on 09/27/2012 5:00:58 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: nhwingut

FOX has been wandering in the weeds on the Dark Side for a while now ......


3 posted on 09/27/2012 5:02:26 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: Doogle

I honestly think we are looking at the Bradley effect. Once inside the booth, they will vote Romney.

Every economic indicator is against Obama.


4 posted on 09/27/2012 5:03:33 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: nhwingut

Thing is Obama said he needs more time to implement his change. And even if you’re a died-in-the-wool commie supporter of his, that’s a true statement. If he can get control of the House and Senate again, or appoint more judges, he can implement a lot more communism.

Trouble is his argument is not only true for his ardent supporters, it is convincing to many general independent voters in its generic terms, even if they have no clue what it really means. The Romney campaign hasn’t come up with the right rhetoric to counter the successful arguments and convincing claims made at the DNC, as far as those ignorant “swing” voters are concerned. That’s why he’s running behind.


5 posted on 09/27/2012 5:05:13 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: nhwingut
The poll is conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R). For the total sample, it has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. The poll is weighted by age and race; it is not weighted by party identification. "Trust us! We're all doctors, we're using jargon you don't really understand and making unverifiable claims and assertions."
6 posted on 09/27/2012 5:07:47 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: MissMagnolia

It’s a D+4 poll. I think it’ll be closer to even.

A.) Obama is under 50%.

B.) Most undecideds are Romney voters, IMO. They are too scared to be thought of as a racist.

C.) They have Dem turnout at 41%. In record 2008 election Dems came in only at 39%. They won’t be at 41%. Once you reduce the number down to 36%, more indies head for Romney.

52-48, Romney.


7 posted on 09/27/2012 5:07:47 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: nhwingut

I don’t know about a Bradley effect but maybe the 1980 Reagan Democrat effect.

In a lot of places the Democrat Party is the local religion. You simply do NOT talk back to the Party. So in 1980 a whole lot of Democrats were out there carrying the party line about loving Carter then in the privacy of the voting booth pulled the lever for Reagan.


8 posted on 09/27/2012 5:07:56 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: nhwingut

“I honestly think we are looking at the Bradley effect. “

I honestly think you are right as the polls with Obama as a candidate have always been way off.


9 posted on 09/27/2012 5:08:23 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Uncle Slayton
I honestly think you are right as the polls with Obama as a candidate have always been way off.

In October of 2010, Obama was (supposedly) polling at 54%. two weeks later, Dems lost in the biggest landslide in history. Enough said.
10 posted on 09/27/2012 5:11:05 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: nhwingut

I wonder how many of those people who think that everyone should pay some income tax have a negative tax liability, but think that it’s just a refund that they deserve, without understanding what a negative tax liability is.


11 posted on 09/27/2012 5:11:28 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: nhwingut

D+4 and Obama leads by 5?? I don’t like the sound of that....


12 posted on 09/27/2012 5:14:46 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: MissMagnolia

“FOX has been wandering in the weeds on the Dark Side for a while now ......”

I believe the major stockholding owner of FOX is...a Saudi Arabian potentate.


13 posted on 09/27/2012 5:20:01 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: MissMagnolia

FOX has been wandering in the weeds on the Dark Side for a while now ......

They are starting to get under the sludge layer of a septic tank.....


14 posted on 09/27/2012 5:23:24 PM PDT by patriotspride
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To: ought-six

You guys should just really be embarrassed. Really. The lengths you go to bury your heads in the sand is beyond comprehension. He’s LOSING!!! Now Fox is in the tank too? And Rasmussen? Who else? There’s no one on your side because there are NO POLLS that show Romney leading.

This should be a blow out and Romney’s losing. Blame it on polls if you want. Blame it on whatever helps you sleep at night. We’re getting another 4 years of this guys, like it or not. The best we can hope for is that we keep the house to prevent any major policy changes.

Here’s to 2016!


15 posted on 09/27/2012 5:25:20 PM PDT by paul544
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To: ought-six
I believe the major stockholding owner of FOX is...a Saudi Arabian potentate.

FOX has been wandering in the weeds desert on the Dark Side for a while now ......

16 posted on 09/27/2012 5:25:20 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: nhwingut

OMG! It’s raining bullsh1t polls. And it’s getting deep.


17 posted on 09/27/2012 5:31:33 PM PDT by upchuck (I miss my dog Snoopy. May 16, 1997-September 24, 2012 -- 15 years, 4 months. Forever in my heart.)
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To: nhwingut

FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll

Polling was conducted by telephone October 30-31, 2004 during the day and in the evenings. The total sample is 1,400 registered voters (RV), with a subsample of 1,200 likely voters (LV) nationwide. For registered and likely voters there is a margin of error of ±3 percentage points.
Past results are of registered voters, unless otherwise noted.

CURRENT VOTE FOR PRESIDENT (OCT 30-31)
AMONG LIKELY VOTERS

Bush Kerry Nader (NS/Other)

Three-Way 46% 48 1 5

Two-Way 46% 48 na 6


18 posted on 09/27/2012 5:35:12 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: andyk

Fox polls are just as bad if not worse than CBS ,ny Slimes , abc , NBC...
I recall them being the worst overall .
Please note that they never apologize for their push polls after being proven wrong .


19 posted on 09/27/2012 5:37:14 PM PDT by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: paul544

ya haven’t mashed here yet have ya Pauli?

http://unskewedpolls.com/dailytrackingpoll.cfm


20 posted on 09/27/2012 5:37:56 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: tatown

Every poll has Romney winning with indies, keeps that up and barry will need that house in Hawaii lol


21 posted on 09/27/2012 5:38:00 PM PDT by italianquaker (The 47 pct need to pay their fair share)
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To: paul544

I agree. If the election were held today Romney would lose handily in the EC. I think that the problem for Romney is that guys like me who should be his base either won’t vote for him on principle or even if they will pull the lever for him aren’t at all fired up and ready to help. For the record, I’ll never vote for him. I’d rather have Zero. Screw the RINOs.


22 posted on 09/27/2012 5:38:36 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: paul544
Go read some of these threads and get an education.
23 posted on 09/27/2012 5:38:42 PM PDT by upchuck (I miss my dog Snoopy. May 16, 1997-September 24, 2012 -- 15 years, 4 months. Forever in my heart.)
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To: nhwingut

I didn’t see anywhere where it shows D+4.


24 posted on 09/27/2012 5:39:08 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: tatown

Actually it’s D+3 (gulp). But if you look at internals, nothing makes sense.

Obama is underwater in most every category - Stimulus, Middle East policy, Economy, Kept Promises, etc.

It’s one of two things. Voters are afraid of being called a racist (and will vote Romney once inside the booth). Or they feel bad for the first black prez and want to give him another shot. There is no other explanation. The internal numbers do not jive with someone who has 50% approval and amidst this economic train wreck.


25 posted on 09/27/2012 5:41:54 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: italianquaker

This poll has Obama winning indies.


26 posted on 09/27/2012 5:41:55 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: tatown

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/09/27/fox-news-poll-voters-want-change-president-to-stand-up-for-free-speech/


27 posted on 09/27/2012 5:42:56 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: nhwingut

The poll says 73% want change, but Obama is ahead?

This poll refutes itself.


28 posted on 09/27/2012 5:43:10 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: reasonisfaith

Exactly (see post above). The internals of the poll makes no sense. He gets low marks across this board.

Its almost like they feel okay disapproving of his policies but not him personally - for fear of race card.


29 posted on 09/27/2012 5:46:02 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: paul544

I said the major stockholder (not the majority stockholder) of FOX News is a Saudi, and you think I’m delusional? Sorry, friend. But polls are agenda-driven propaganda. It was ever thus. I put little to no stock in them.


30 posted on 09/27/2012 5:48:03 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: mo

I have and a +4 D skewing is right on. Don’t tell me... Broken Glass Republicans? Or the Bradley effect? Or whatever...


31 posted on 09/27/2012 5:54:24 PM PDT by paul544
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To: paul544; All

Funny, I haven’t seen you post till now..


32 posted on 09/27/2012 5:54:56 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Romney / Ryan 2012)
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To: paul544; Gluteus Maximus

When the truth seems hard to find, take it to the streets. That’s where you’ll find the truth.

Ask the local GOP chairmen, in counties of swing states. Donate five or ten bucks. Strike up a conversation with them.

Ask them what’s been coming down the grapevine from the Romney campaign. Your fears will be alleviated.


33 posted on 09/27/2012 5:56:43 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: tatown

One of few. Most have him up double digits with indies


34 posted on 09/27/2012 5:57:28 PM PDT by italianquaker (The 47 pct need to pay their fair share)
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To: MissMagnolia
Fox and Friends has been kick ass for a few weeks now even Gretchen does not get on my nerves she use to love Obama now she is on his case now.
35 posted on 09/27/2012 5:58:14 PM PDT by angcat (ROMNEY/RYAN 2012)
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To: nhwingut

In October of 2010, Obama was (supposedly) polling at 54%. two weeks later, Dems lost in the biggest landslide in history. Enough said.

That is because Democrats didn’t show up at the polls. Let’s hope they don’t in 2012 as well.


36 posted on 09/27/2012 5:58:24 PM PDT by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: italianquaker

At least they did.


37 posted on 09/27/2012 6:01:38 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: paul544

Oh boy. I HATE ROMNEY and still voting for his dumb ass. I just can’t see the next four years with Obama after the last month. He is dismal as heck. At least with Romney, we can clean up a little. Yes Romney sucks but Obama is worse. I hate the cheerleading for Romney the liberal creep but I am still voting for him God help me.


38 posted on 09/27/2012 6:02:21 PM PDT by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: angcat

Some are doing better than others .... :-)


39 posted on 09/27/2012 6:02:51 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: tatown

Double digit leads in indies is all gravy for Romney.

Now that the media is starting to ask barry people about the Libyan lies, Romneys indy lead might even grow


40 posted on 09/27/2012 6:04:27 PM PDT by italianquaker (The 47 pct need to pay their fair share)
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To: italianquaker

Hope so!


41 posted on 09/27/2012 6:05:45 PM PDT by tatown ( FUMD, FUAC, and FUGB)
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To: tatown

Yep they tried the same thing with Gov Walker. The internet is the fact checker on barrys msm buddies


42 posted on 09/27/2012 6:08:32 PM PDT by italianquaker (The 47 pct need to pay their fair share)
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To: upchuck
Don't bother with that poster.
He has been here regularly promoting the Axelrod Psych OPS strategy its over , give up .

Last night he was peddling a ABC interview was fact Romney is losing..

Very Obvious.

43 posted on 09/27/2012 6:08:58 PM PDT by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: nhwingut

This poll seems reasonable to me.

Obama has taken the lead, but is still under 50% and has not yet closed the deal.

If ony Romney could break through and give people something to vote FOR and be excited about. He is trying, but he still hasn’t got there yet.


44 posted on 09/27/2012 6:11:06 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: mo
The poster is a Paulbot too .
Peddling doom and gloom for Axelrod but won't admit to it.
45 posted on 09/27/2012 6:11:29 PM PDT by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: nhwingut
I honestly think we are looking at the Bradley effect. Once inside the booth, they will vote Romney.

You really have got to try to step away from that mirage. It didn't exist in 2008; it sure as hell won't be in play now.

46 posted on 09/27/2012 6:29:15 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Record high turnout is our hope for sending 0bama home. Pray hard!!!)
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To: paul544

Fox polls are always terrible. Every cycle. Rasmussen has Obama at 46 percent. If you consider that winning, go ahead. This race is tied right now, although Obama has a slight edge electorally at this moment head to head.

Either Romney’s holding back to make his push in October for the win, or his campaign team is inept. He’s raised a ton of money and hasn’t even made a major push yet since the convention. If he comes out strong, he wins. If he sits back like he’s done...and not even trying to win. I have I think the campaign team is comfortable where they sit right now,,or they’d be holding major policy speeches, and making more aggressive moves.


47 posted on 09/27/2012 6:33:21 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: ScottinVA
Agree the Bradley Effect didn't really play out much in 2008. On the other hand, several pollsters were predicting Obama by double digits and he only won by 7.

So, I wouldn't dismiss it completely. In a very close election, it might matter.

The key for Romney is to make sure it is indeed very close heading into election day. So far, there are a whole lot of people who just really don't like him.

48 posted on 09/27/2012 6:36:03 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: Gluteus Maximus
Ass seems like a good screen name for you. Most of us here are holding our collective noses and voting to get rid or the worst president this nation has ever seen.
I have a friend from Latin America. He has seen the real world of what Bambi holds for us. How principled will you be when they put a gun to the head of a family member? Far-fetched? He thought so also. At one time.
49 posted on 09/27/2012 6:36:49 PM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: nhwingut

I lost any faith in a so called ‘Bradley effect’ in 2008. All we kept hearing about was the ‘bradley effect’ from people here and there and ‘pumas’ from hillbuzz etc... All that amounted to SQUAT.
There is little if any of that that will play into this election.

America wins if we stay as eager to vote as we did in 2010
Otherwise the idea of America is dead. And the treasoncrats and the media of this country are to blame and should be held accountable and treated as and for such.

Vote vote vote vote vote so we can avoid that.


50 posted on 09/27/2012 6:39:11 PM PDT by JoshuaLawrenceChamberlain
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