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Blasphemy or democracy? Egypt cleric tears up, burns New Testament at US Embassy
NBC News ^ | September 28, 2012 | Ayman Mohyeldin

Posted on 09/28/2012 7:21:34 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

Updated at 3:49 a.m. ET: CAIRO – An ultra-conservative Islamist cleric in Egypt faces charges of blasphemy after he allegedly tore up and burned copies of the New Testament at a protest in front of the American Embassy in Cairo.

Ahmed Mohammed Mahmoud Abdallah, also known as Sheikh Abu Islam, is part owner of a private ultra-conservative Islamic TV station known as Al Uma and was participating in demonstrations against a U.S.-made movie denigrating the Prophet Muhammad that swept the Muslim world in the last month.

Egypt’s General Prosecutor accused Abu Islam and his son, the channel's executive director, of insulting religion – in this case Christianity.

The case is a rare example of the country’s often-criticized blasphemy laws being used against someone who allegedly insulted a religion that is not Islam. That trial is scheduled to begin September 30.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnews.nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: blasphemy; blasphemylaw; burnsnt; egypt; islam

1 posted on 09/28/2012 7:21:38 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Attention seeking.


2 posted on 09/28/2012 7:26:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Our God is not a book. Burn all you want and let God be the judge.

Free speech requires us to have thick skins. Any religion that can’t handle dissent or debate is a hate cult.


3 posted on 09/28/2012 7:26:43 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Oh snap.

Now I’m going to riot and find out where the Egyptian Embassy is in this town so that I can attack it with mortars and RPGs.

Or I can go on to the next thread after saying “What a jerk”.


4 posted on 09/28/2012 7:27:13 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

forgive him Lord, he knows not what he is doing


5 posted on 09/28/2012 7:28:24 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Angry Christians around the world swarm into the streets, destroying all in their path in 3, 2, 1...


6 posted on 09/28/2012 7:29:18 AM PDT by moovova (Hey buddy, can you spare a tagline?)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
How come these clowns never seem to learn a simple fact of life.

If they hadn't protested this film, it would have been viewed by maybe a hundred people. World wide.

Now that they have made it an issue, it has been played umpteen million times. World wide.

If this movie is insulting to your prophet, and your prophet is so dang sensitive to insults, then why, why, why did you cause him to be insulted umpteen million MORE TIMES ?

7 posted on 09/28/2012 7:30:03 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Matt 5:18 “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”


8 posted on 09/28/2012 7:30:08 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: glorgau
Now I’m going to riot and find out where the Egyptian Embassy is in this town so that I can attack it with mortars and RPGs.

You wanna go riot, or you wanna go bowling? I'm thinking I'll skip this riot.

9 posted on 09/28/2012 7:31:50 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

The Son of God is the Word of God.


10 posted on 09/28/2012 7:32:15 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: TigerClaws

AMEN!



It is what's IN the Book that matters, not the paper and ink.
11 posted on 09/28/2012 7:36:48 AM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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Except for perhaps Universalism, every religion blasphemes the others.

For example, a Christian or Jew would not say or recognize the “Prophet” Mohammed - blasphemy to Islam.

A muslim would not say Christ is Lord - blasphemy to Christianity.

You can’t have freedom of religion and anti-blasphemy laws at the same time.


12 posted on 09/28/2012 7:37:16 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: huldah1776

Yes, and that’s exactly why we don’t have to be worried by what they do to a book or even a symbol. It’s a sign of disrespect, certainly, but Jesus was well aware of what kind of treatment he and his followers would receive in the world, and he never ordered us to go out and kill others over it.

On the other hand, the Muslims know, deep down inside, that their “prophet” and their “god” are both false, and that’s why they feel that it is necessary to use violence to defend their fragility; nothing based on lies is ever strong.


13 posted on 09/28/2012 7:38:21 AM PDT by livius
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Waiting for a spontaneous protest of RPG carrying Christians at the Egyptian embassy in 3.2.1.....(sarc)


14 posted on 09/28/2012 7:40:24 AM PDT by MissH
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
For some reason I can't hear Obama’s or Hillary's outrage.
15 posted on 09/28/2012 7:41:54 AM PDT by Keen-Minded
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Muslims seem so juvenile.
16 posted on 09/28/2012 7:41:56 AM PDT by defconw (It's not about a video Dummycrats!)
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To: huldah1776
The Son of God is the Word of God.

The Son of God is the Son of God.

And he's already won the battle this cleric is attempting to wage, the poor fool.

17 posted on 09/28/2012 7:43:02 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: TigerClaws

“Burn all you want and let God be the judge.”

Indeed. I think God would probably rather have this loon burning Bibles than hurting people, because it seems like he is intent on destroying something one way or another.


18 posted on 09/28/2012 7:44:11 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

They’re using the word ‘conservative’ with them to try to equate us with crazy people like them.

Don’t fall for it.

Remember “words mean things?” They’re all about guilt by association.


19 posted on 09/28/2012 7:47:41 AM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

20 posted on 09/28/2012 7:47:57 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Gee can we Christians have him arrested like the “movie maker” was?


21 posted on 09/28/2012 7:48:04 AM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Get a hair cut and get a real job.
Their profet must be weak if he needs these waste products to do his? work.


22 posted on 09/28/2012 7:48:57 AM PDT by Leep
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I'm issuing a fatwa on Monty Python for “Life of Brian”.
23 posted on 09/28/2012 7:53:12 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
As a Christian knows:

Isaiah 35:4

Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.

Hebrews 10:30

For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

24 posted on 09/28/2012 7:53:21 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
"Ahmed Mohammed Mahmoud Abdallah, also known as Sheikh Abu Islam..."

And they wonder why we snigger. Sounds like something from Saturday Night Live.

25 posted on 09/28/2012 7:54:47 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Heard a good one on a local talk show this morning.

Guy suggested building an Islamic doomsday machine. This would be a printer generating pages of the Koran that are fed directly into an incinerator. Put a web cam on the doomsday machine.

In a couple of weeks ever radical muslim head will explode. Problem solved.

26 posted on 09/28/2012 7:54:59 AM PDT by DManA
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To: TigerClaws

It’s only paper and ink , I wonder if bought it or did he steal it


27 posted on 09/28/2012 7:59:45 AM PDT by molson209
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

We can print them faster than you can burn them, Bucko.


28 posted on 09/28/2012 8:06:25 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Why should anyone in the West be burdened with judging the actions of this kook as anything other than the actions of a kook? Every Muslim living is a blasphemy against the True God, reason, and liberty. Democracy has nothing to do with Islam. Here’s a question: What makes Muslims so ignorant they think silliness, like burning a New Testament, means anything to enlightened Christians who know how to print more of them? Even symbol enamored Christians are not so detached from reason that they confuse the person of Christ with things that represent him, including scripture. Jesus came to free us, not to enslave us in ignorance. Leave the ignorance up to Mohammad, his petty god, and the kooks who buy into symbolic oppression.


29 posted on 09/28/2012 8:10:32 AM PDT by pallis
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

the nerve of that guy. He’d better not burn Atlas Shrugged. Then all of us libertarians will have to riot.


30 posted on 09/28/2012 8:10:57 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

If anyone has access to Debka - they are running a story that Stevens knew his killers because he ran them as double agents.

http://www.debka.com/article/22386/


31 posted on 09/28/2012 8:12:57 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
That no Christian mobs incensed by this “blasphemy” will be storming and burning the embassies of Muslim countries, tearing down and burning their flags and murdering their ambassadors shows the stark contrast between Christianity and Islam. Jesus taught to pray for those who persecute you, to turn the other cheek and not seek vengeance. Islam is rooted in the 6th century with blood feuds, revenge, honor killings and the killing of "unbelievers".
32 posted on 09/28/2012 8:16:37 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I wonder if he READ the New Testament first...
... perhaps a side-by-side comparison with the Kooran?? No wait...

...never mind....

33 posted on 09/28/2012 8:22:36 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
This guy did this with an assumption that people would equate the Bible and Quran as the Holy Book for respective religion. They're not the same. Quran for Muslims is the relation from God. Every aspect of it is sacred since it's God's Word given to men on the 17th day of Ramadan. For Christian,Christ himself is the Word of God. The Bible is 'merely' a chronicle of his ministry in this world.

For this reason, Muslims go berserk if someone disrespect (the physical) Quran. Christians wouldn't be happy if someone disrespect the Bible, but not at the same level as Muslims do.

34 posted on 09/28/2012 8:26:47 AM PDT by paudio (Post-racial society: When we can legitimately hire and fire a Black man without feeling guilty.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia; TigerClaws; elpadre
Should be interesting. For Christians, this doesn't matter -- we don't worship a book. They can burn the Bible if they want, we won't behead people.

however, this is interesting as a test of Blasphemy laws. If in Egypt one is blaspheming by burning the Bible, then it should be very, very insteresting

35 posted on 09/28/2012 8:32:07 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

The only way I would get upset over this destruction of ink on paper is if the book he destroyed was a hand lettered on real parchment maybe 1400 years old and cost huge amounts of money to make.

I’ve seen modern bibles wore out from use thrown in the trash and new ones bought with no rioting.

If he really wanted to make a statement, try destroying an original Gutenberg bible or a 1st edition KJV.


36 posted on 09/28/2012 8:34:49 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: TigerClaws
Exactly - plus the prophets of the God of Israel were routinely insulted, stoned, beheaded, exiled, villified, chased, and more (even sawed in half, if you accept the traditional view of Isaiah's death). They all suffering great hardships in their roles. Never mind what was done to the Son of God Himself.

Islam's prophet was a war-mongering adulterous sexual predator who is honored and raised to near-deity status.

Interesting distinctions.

37 posted on 09/28/2012 8:36:52 AM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: cripplecreek

OMG! After reading this I began to foam at the mouth! Oh wait, that is slobber from smelling the BACON cooking in the kitchen.


38 posted on 09/28/2012 8:37:12 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

This highlihts yet another difference between the ROP and Christianity. They think the paper and ink are holy. We do not.

But it is EgypT where this is happening. Let them deal with it.


39 posted on 09/28/2012 8:39:00 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I wonder what the reaction would be if a flash mob of 500 mooned the Egyptian consulate...as a show of contempt
40 posted on 09/28/2012 8:53:11 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Kind of analogous to someone standing on dry ground and throwing a life preserver to someone who is thrashing around in the ocean, and on the verge of going under. The guy in the water grabs the life preserver, and in a rage promptly destroys it ... The life preserver doesn't care, and the person on dry ground can only feel sorry for the person who deliberately destroyed his chance for life. Maybe the raging thrasher will get another life preserver thrown his way before he goes completely under, but the only person he was harming by shunning his hope was himself.
41 posted on 09/28/2012 8:54:20 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Blasphemy or democracy?

Neither.

“Freedom”


42 posted on 09/28/2012 8:56:30 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny ("Allah" isn't a god. It's a mental disorder.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

NBC just reporting the false equivalency and trying to gain sympathy for the Muslim Brotherhood/Islamist rule of Egypt. We are not suppose to question why Obama has had the movie maker arrested in America against constitutional protections and we are suppose to now think that critiquing any religion maybe should be illegal. The article also has a video link to the crazy Muslim woman who was arrested in NY for defacing the pro Israel ad pontificating on what caused the recent violence. You would think that NBC would have distanced themselves from that witch ASAP....but no..she is still an esteemed fake reporter.


43 posted on 09/28/2012 9:04:50 AM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Islam is about idol worship, such as their “book” and that rock in Mecca.

Christianity is about God. Burn the NT, it’s just a copy.


44 posted on 09/28/2012 9:18:46 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Liberals get a big kick out of slandering Jesus and Christians even to the point of installing a cultural cleansing program referred to as political correctness and an overwhelming America with a third world foreign invasion.

But they have the nerve to pretend offense at less than flattering descriptions of Islam. It is like when feminazis were against sexual harassment of employees until BJ hit on his intern Monica. They they all wore knee pads and took up sluthood. Wonder when they will be forced to throw off their fake burkahs.


45 posted on 09/28/2012 9:45:24 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

What the cleric did is not blasphemy in Christianity.

1. He’s not a Christian; so he can say what he wants about Christianity; and besides,

2. If he were a Christian and if within his own Church what he did was blasphemy, that charge would have no effect whatsoever from the law as defined by government; and besides,

3. There is no Christian church today who would charge him, even as a member of their church, with blasphemy - they’d say he was stupid and just expell him from attending their particular church maybe but that would most likely be the worst of any “punishment” he would receive.

So, who arranged for this in Egypt?

It was probably arranged by the Muslim Brotherhood and it is nothing more than a stunt.

To the west it must be seen as a stunt and NOT reflective of any western standard of free speech.


46 posted on 09/28/2012 10:17:22 AM PDT by Wuli
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