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‘Gospel of Jesus’ Wife’ Fragment Is a Fake, Vatican Says
NYTimes ^ | September 28, 2012

Posted on 09/28/2012 8:38:33 AM PDT by Steelfish

‘Gospel of Jesus’ Wife’ Fragment Is a Fake, Vatican Says

September 28, 2012 VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - An ancient papyrus fragment which a Harvard scholar says contains the first recorded mention that Jesus may have had a wife is a fake, the Vatican said on Friday.

"Substantial reasons would lead one to conclude that the papyrus is indeed a clumsy forgery," the Vatican's newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, said in an editorial by its editor, Gian Maria Vian. "In any case, it's a fake."

Joining a highly charged academic debate over the authenticity of the text, written in ancient Egyptian Coptic, the newspaper published a lengthy analysis by expert Alberto Camplani of Rome's La Sapienza university, outlining doubts about the manuscript and urging extreme caution.

The fragment, which reads "Jesus said to them, my wife" was unveiled by Harvard Professor Karen King as a text from the 4th century at a congress of Coptic Studies in Rome last week.

Her study divided the academic community, with some hailing it as a landmark discovery while others rapidly expressed their doubts .

"It's really pretty unlikely that it's authentic," University of Durham Professor Francis Watson told Reuters after he published a paper arguing the words on the fragment were a rearrangement of phrases from a well known Coptic text.

Watson, who has previously worked on identifying forged gospels, said it was likely to be an ancient blank fragment that was written over in the 20th or 21st century by a forger seeking to make money.

Watson argues the words on the fragment do not fit grammatically into a larger text.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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1 posted on 09/28/2012 8:38:36 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Even if it’s not a fake, it makes no difference whatsoever. Jesus is still the Son of God, He died for our sins and rose again on the third day....................


2 posted on 09/28/2012 8:40:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: Steelfish

Even if it weren’t, it would simply be a text written by a gnostic or other heretic of the era.


3 posted on 09/28/2012 8:43:49 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to watch you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."--Del Shannon)
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To: Steelfish

Does anyone remember the Hitler diaries? Hugh Trevor-Roper, the most famous British historian, made a fool of himself by claiming that they were authentic. His reputation never recovered.


4 posted on 09/28/2012 8:44:30 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: Steelfish
Who gives a Obama! Silly waste of time. Distraction.

Was Jesus married?

Is Jesus your only way to salvation?

Let me think, which question is more important? Hmmmmmm....

5 posted on 09/28/2012 8:45:48 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Steelfish
Oh no! The whole history of the Gospels was going to be rewritten, cosmic shifts in our understanding of Christian belief, and...and perrydimes too!

Now the find of the century is shot down as a fake.

6 posted on 09/28/2012 8:47:32 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Red Badger

I knew it was a fake from day one, anyone who checked this gal’s background would have noticed she has a history of feminist activism.


7 posted on 09/28/2012 8:48:32 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Steelfish

This is “The Secret Gospel of Mark” all over again. A very poor forgery unveiled by a unscrupulous academic trying to make a name for themselves.


8 posted on 09/28/2012 8:48:49 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Steelfish

There would have to be a lot more to the story than the fragment tells to know what it means, if anything. It could be a fake, or it could be a Gnostic writing, or it could be some variation of Jesus discussing his Bride, the Church.


9 posted on 09/28/2012 8:52:54 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Steelfish

I seem to recall the Catholic church in the dark ages did believe Jesus was married. Something about the knights of Sion or some such? Isn’t that what the DaVinci Code was all about?


10 posted on 09/28/2012 8:53:01 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Steelfish

Whodathunk it?

An undestroyed fragment turns up after all these years in spite of the fact heaven and earth were turned over centuries ago to destroy all the evidence


11 posted on 09/28/2012 8:56:43 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: Steelfish

http://asspos.blogspot.com/2012/09/ancient-text-reveals-false-religion.html

This one wasn’t fake *snicker*


12 posted on 09/28/2012 8:57:00 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Steelfish

Apparently experts no long need to actually see a document to determine authenticity.


13 posted on 09/28/2012 8:59:22 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1347 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Steelfish

Dear Penthousious,

I know thee shall not believe it, but yea, verily, it happened to me...


14 posted on 09/28/2012 8:59:41 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Steelfish
Writing from the conference, early Christian scholar Christian Askeland said specialists there were divided between two-thirds who were extremely skeptical, and one-third convinced the fragment was false

That's some funny stuff.

15 posted on 09/28/2012 9:00:49 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: null and void
Apparently experts no long need to actually see a document to determine authenticity.

He's an editor. Editors are experts on everything.

16 posted on 09/28/2012 9:04:53 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Red Badger

Amen. But, have to say this, too. Given the credibility issue and vested interest the Catholic Church would have in this subject, would anyone expect them to react any differently? Fake! Heretic! Burn her at the stake! Hasn’t the world heard that before from the Vatican et al?

Wouldn’t matter to me. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Full stop. If He were married, I would think that would count as His support of the institution of marriage and another of HIs examples of how to live.


17 posted on 09/28/2012 9:04:53 AM PDT by RonInNaples
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To: null and void
Apparently experts no long need to actually see a document to determine authenticity.

He's an editor. Editors are experts on everything.

18 posted on 09/28/2012 9:04:53 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

Indeed! (And worth repeating!)


19 posted on 09/28/2012 9:08:37 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1347 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: dila813

Then I’m surprised she didn’t try to claim that Jesus beat his wife...........


20 posted on 09/28/2012 9:15:27 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is it just me, or is Hillary! starting to look like Benjamin Franklin?.................)
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To: New Jersey Realist
I seem to recall the Catholic church in the dark ages did believe Jesus was married. Something about the knights of Sion or some such? Isn’t that what the DaVinci Code was all about?

That is all a fabrication.

The book is a work of fiction and the supposed "historical facts" it discusses are entirely made up.

21 posted on 09/28/2012 9:21:17 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Steelfish

Well, you could knock me over with a feather. (sarc)


22 posted on 09/28/2012 9:33:06 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Steelfish
Christian tradition has long held that Jesus was not married

His spouse is spiritual - known as The Church, and He comes later to seek her as His bride.

23 posted on 09/28/2012 9:42:49 AM PDT by Slyfox
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The agenda is to cast doubt over the authenticity of the canon and thereby the Church.

Same as with the gnostic texts.


24 posted on 09/28/2012 9:57:58 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Steelfish
Writing from the conference, early Christian scholar Christian Askeland said specialists there were divided between two-thirds who were extremely skeptical, and one-third convinced the fragment was false

Looks like the gullible ivy league feministas were duped. Guess the discrediting of the church they hate will have to wait for another day.

25 posted on 09/28/2012 10:25:25 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Heck, she’s a Harvard scholar, she has to be right and taken seriously by the pink media /sarc


26 posted on 09/28/2012 10:28:06 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Red Badger
Then I’m surprised she didn’t try to claim that Jesus beat his wife...........

Only on Super Bowl Sunday.

27 posted on 09/28/2012 10:32:55 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: iowamark

Hitler Diaries. Of course. But this isn’t the first time, and it won’t be the last, antiquities “experts” will have been scammed along with their adherents. The Piltdown Man, for instance.

This, IMO, is just one more, albeit veiled, attempt at discrediting the Roman Church. Most Christians don’t really care whether Jesus was married or not, but Catholics do care; and God knows, the Church cares! How lovely for the agendae of dems and academics everywhere if the slander takes.


28 posted on 09/28/2012 10:35:08 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: RonInNaples

It doesn’t matter to you one way or the other? I does to me. My bible says absolutely nothing about Jesus having a girlfriend, or a wife.

A. If your Bible does say that he had a girlfriend, or wife, chapter and verse, please.

B. If you Bible says nothing about it, it is a lie to say that it does. Why are you not defending the word of God against this lie?


29 posted on 09/28/2012 10:53:22 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: Steelfish
Heck, she’s a Harvard scholar

Seems that I heard somewhere that Obama was also a Harvard something-or-other...

One could postulate therefore that all Harvard something-or-others are phonies. Won't pass the rules of logic test but it is well within the reasoning matrix of the mainstream meadianuts and therefore should warrant a front page above the fold exposure...

30 posted on 09/28/2012 12:40:13 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: faucetman
Is Jesus your only way to salvation?

Ummm.. Let me think...

I seem to remember that the answer to that question has something to do with my tagline...

31 posted on 09/28/2012 12:48:31 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: New Jersey Realist

You’re a dupe.


32 posted on 09/28/2012 2:17:15 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Mach9

Do you really think Catholics are the only ones who care about heresy? I do believe that’s how the Protestant church came into being....


33 posted on 09/28/2012 2:27:50 PM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Steelfish

It's a lie. Jesus is not married.

34 posted on 09/28/2012 7:42:03 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: sasportas

Geez, lighten up Frances. If I recall correctly, nowhere in MY Bible does it say Jesus had - or didn’t have - a wife or girlfriend. He did befriend Mary Magdalene who happened to be a girl, therefore she is a girl-friend.

While I’m on the subject, nowhere in MY Bible does it mention computers or the internet. Guess you better shut your off, huh? Not approved by God in a book written by, well, men only at the direction of God.

Is the ‘find’ a lie? Most likely but you have to admit that the Church, having based it’s dogma on Him being celibate certainly has a one-sided interest in perpetuating that view.

As for my belief? I believe in Jesus Christ and God Almighty. I think the Bible notes that Jesus was without sin and through His life, death, and resurrection purchased our forgiveness. Your rant indicates to me that you believe that had Jesus been married it would be a sin. Since marriage is defined and proscribed in the Bible, you explain to me how Him being married is sinful? No need to quote chapter and verse as you demanded from me, I don’t play that game.

My feelings for God and my Saviour aren’t dictated by something I read. Influenced but not dictated, mind you. I pray to God daily through Christ, not to the Holy Bible. A genuine relationship with the Lord seems to work for me rather than a regurgitation of quotes from the Bible.

And, go ahead and tell me I’m wrong because I don’t believe what you believe. Those pesky Muslims do it all the time to us infidels. See, I’ve had two strokes. The second one should have left me deaf and blind. I’m pretty sure I can still see and hear because of the intervention of my Lord and Saviour. In my mind, my lack of belief as you define it hasn’t precluded the love of God and Jesus from being showered upon me.

But, that’s just me. Unlike you, I don’t expect you to worship or believe as I do. You do it your way, I’ll do it mine. Here’s a quote from the Bible (or paraphrase): Judgement is mine, sayeth the Lord. Maybe you shouldn’t be so quick to judge others and leave God’s job to God.

May the Good Lord Bless and keep you. May He wrap His loving arms around you. May He walk with you to give you guidance and may He be your strength when yours fails. Amen.

Ron


35 posted on 09/29/2012 9:57:40 AM PDT by RonInNaples
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To: RonInNaples

Frances here. Apparently you have some sort of deaf and blind problem, I guess, you weren’t that clear about it. Sorry to hear that, I’ll pray for you.


36 posted on 09/29/2012 3:58:13 PM PDT by sasportas
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Note: this topic was posted 9/28/2012. Thanks Steelfish.

37 posted on 04/28/2014 5:02:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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