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‘Killing Is The Solution,’ Gang Member Tells Walter Jacobson (Hope and Change in Obamaville)
CBS Chicago ^ | 9/27/2012

Posted on 09/29/2012 5:48:43 AM PDT by markomalley

Gangbangers in Chicago: What makes them tick, what are they thinking?

CBS 2’s Walter Jacobson sat down with gang members in Chicago’s troubled Englewood neighborhood to try to find some answers.

Some of the responses he received were not encouraging.

“There’s no solution to the violence,” one gang member tells him. “Killing, killing is the solution.”

Jacobson asked the young man if he would kill personally, if he had to.

“I’ve never killed before, but if I had a gun in my possession,” he said.

Jacobson says he has been walking the blocks for many years, but the state of despair never changes – poverty, sticks and stains.

The gang members do not like the state of affairs any more than anyone else.

“We’ve got to eat. We want to. We want money. We want to get fresh, we want fresh eggs almost every day. We want all that,” another young man said.

But where do they get the money they need? The young man answered bluntly.

“Rob, steal and kill. That’s the only way. We didn’t grow up in Beverly Hills. We don’t get it handed to us,” he said.

“We ain’t living in Hyde Park,” added a third young man. The home of the University of Chicago is only a couple of miles away from Englewood – geographically, at least.

But given the state of their impoverished Englewood neighborhood, where is the money they can get?

“Selling drugs,” a young man replied. “In our neighborhood, I ain’t going to lie to you. That’s where the money comes from.”

Some of the young men were brought into gangs as children. Isn’t that pretty young to play gang warfare?

A young man answered: “I chose the gang. I didn’t have to choose anything. I was only 10. My OG (old gangster) gave me everything. But I just went on my own and I chose to get in the gang. We was whipping everybody in the neighborhood. Respect. I was getting money.”

The gang members also said they are at war with the Chicago Police Department.

“The police hate us,” a young man said. “Every time they ride past us, they shoot us down and do all that. Do what you want to do, I don’t care about you all, keep riding. Who are you all? We’re not scare of you all. I’ll fight you too. Take that badge off.”

But he says the police cannot catch them or exact any consequences.

“I laugh at the police,” he said. “They’re a joke to me.”

And where would the young men like to be in 10 years?

One of them replied, “in a mansion, with a lot of cars, and a lot of women.”

Another said, “I just hope I’m still living.”


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This article angers me. It is a legacy of the progressive agenda. Government dependency and falling prey to the race-baiting hucksters that make these districts solid Demoncrap voting blocs.

I find it funny that he references "Hyde Park" in his comments. Isn't that the home of a couple of progressive leaders who are trying to "help" the poor? Like a certain Professor Bill Ayers and a certain former "professor" Barry Soetoro?

What these people need is to be freed of the bonds of government slavery.

1 posted on 09/29/2012 5:48:50 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
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2 posted on 09/29/2012 5:58:17 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: markomalley

Walter Jacobson himself is a flaming progressive. Decades ago he was teamed with Bill Kurtis on a nightly Chicago news show. Kurtis went on to do documentaries, Jacobson continues to do stories like this that do little but show the underbelly of democrat programs. They give no answers they only show the effects of the problem. The answers would upset Jacobson so he skirts around them.


3 posted on 09/29/2012 6:01:03 AM PDT by bcsco (Bourbon gets better with age...I age better with Bourbon.)
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To: markomalley
These people seem to see a world divided in two:

Some folks are born in Beverly Hills. Everything is handed to them. They live in mansions with lots of women.
Others are just born black.

Perhaps, through robbing and killing, some blacks may also live in mansions with lots of women. Hope and Change, man. Hope and Change.

4 posted on 09/29/2012 6:01:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: markomalley

If these thugs get their dream, they will create a Somalia in the US. They act like the warlords in 3rd world countries and that’s what their neighborhoods turn into. They are cesspools with little chance of getting better until the vermin is destroyed.


5 posted on 09/29/2012 6:05:08 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: markomalley

I can only imagine how proud Bill Ayers and the other Chicago reformers must feel when they hear and see the result of their policies.


6 posted on 09/29/2012 6:09:40 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: markomalley

There are members of this board who claim with a straight face that once the EBT cards no longer buy anything of value that these guys will give up their evil ways and become productive citizens.


7 posted on 09/29/2012 6:13:52 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Dutch Boy
They are cesspools with little chance of getting better until the vermin is destroyed.

By vermin, I assume you mean "community organizers" and progressive politicians.

8 posted on 09/29/2012 6:14:18 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
“Rob, steal and kill. That’s the only way. We didn’t grow up in Beverly Hills. We don’t get it handed to us,” he said.

Good Lord, it's like listening to a little girl hating on someone prettier than her....

9 posted on 09/29/2012 6:17:17 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: DuncanWaring
There are members of this board who claim with a straight face that once the EBT cards no longer buy anything of value that these guys will give up their evil ways and become productive citizens.

I am a member of this board who claim with a straight face that as long as the society of this area live through government dependence (a/k/a slavery), the problem will only get worse. The government programs that sustain and enslave these people are directly responsible for producing reprobates like the ones interviewed in this article.

Will these ones give up their evil ways and become productive citizens? I doubt it. Not because I think they are inherently evil, but because deprogramming a lifetime of experience is a virtual impossibility. And that's even if you managed to get rid of all the hucksters who programmed them.

10 posted on 09/29/2012 6:21:50 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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By vermin, I assume you mean "community organizers" and progressive politicians.

Do you see them robbing, raping, and killing their neighbors?

11 posted on 09/29/2012 6:22:57 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: markomalley

Today’s feral street ape owes much of his existence to LBJ’s ‘Great Society’, where central planning’s intended cure made conditions dramaticaly worse. Liberalism, if it is anything at all, is the shabby notion that you can collectively make life fair, while willfully ignoring the unintended consequences of economic and social mayhem.


12 posted on 09/29/2012 6:25:02 AM PDT by BillyBonebrake
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To: markomalley

—— “Rob, steal and kill. That’s the only way. -——

Good thing apprenticeships are illegal. Good thing for minimum age work restrictions. Good thing for the minimum wage. Good thing for compulsory attendance laws.

If you were a twelve year old kid born to a welfare mom, what would you do? School is nothing more than prison. And just like adult prisoners, kids learn the tools of the criminal trade there. Escape from the cycle requires a herculean effort.

I was a Big Brother to a welfare kid for over 10 years. Single welfare mother with live-in boyfriend working under the table.

Stop me if you’ve heard this one before.

His real father was an absolute degenerate. Trust me on that one.

I was very proud of my “little” when he got a job after graduating from trade school, where all but one of the girls in one of his senior classes was pregnant.

I hadn’t seen him in about 18 years when I bumped into a relative of his. He’s now divorced, with a restraining order on him.

I’ll always remember him as a really sweet kid.


13 posted on 09/29/2012 6:26:48 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: papertyger
Do you see them robbing, raping, and killing their neighbors?

No. But as the saying goes, "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

14 posted on 09/29/2012 6:26:48 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
No. But as the saying goes, "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

That man behind the curtain isn't committing the crimes, so why pay him any attention?

15 posted on 09/29/2012 6:31:36 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
"welfare kid"

But have liberals ever admitted the gigantic failure of the Great Society and perpetual welfare programs in general? Now Obama would like to gut welfare by eliminating work requirements again. Their failure to learn lessons never ceases to amaze me. The best thing that could happen for poor Black Americans is to have welfare virtually shut off. If Johnson's Great Society programs didn't underline the basic stupidity of all governmentally-directed methods to help poor people by shoveling a mountain of tax money on it , nothing did.

16 posted on 09/29/2012 6:36:14 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: markomalley
This could all stop relatively quickly. Wanna get subsidized housing? Be prepared to live - short term - in a gated, guarded facility that provides a cooktop, minifridge, bathroom and open room with beds. No cable outlet, no televisions, no swimming pools, and no basketball court. You will be uncomfortable in your poverty.

Wanna get free food? Be prepared to make a daily trip to the food distribution center where you will be provided with enough fresh food for you and your family for the day. You will not be given a EBT card, you will be given healthy nourishment.

You will also be required to attend on site training and if you fail to attend, you're out. No more 'idle hands'.

17 posted on 09/29/2012 6:49:18 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: markomalley
“We’ve got to eat. We want to. We want money. We want to get fresh, we want fresh eggs almost every day. We want all that,” another young man said.

Subtext: (But we don't want to work for it.)

18 posted on 09/29/2012 6:55:20 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: markomalley
kill-em all... works for me
19 posted on 09/29/2012 7:12:25 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ETL
I see trash like that every day on my way to work. Just hang out at the corner of LaSalle and Jackson and you'll see exactly what I mean.

They point their little gun-fingers at me and they won't like what they see back, that's for damn' sure!

20 posted on 09/29/2012 7:19:48 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: papertyger
That man behind the curtain isn't committing the crimes, so why pay him any attention?

Because if you somehow got those who commit the crimes to stop committing crimes, the man behind the curtain would create more people to commit crimes.

21 posted on 09/29/2012 7:21:05 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: driftless2

—— . Their failure to learn lessons never ceases to amaze me ——

The sentimental liberals who are governed by emotion are incapable of learning. They’re almost as dangerous as the Marxist ideologies bent on collapsing the system.

The ONLY immediate and politically feasible way to break the cycle is to voucherize the schools. Private schools CAN provide decent education to welfare kids, and point these children to the emergency exits.


22 posted on 09/29/2012 7:26:13 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: papertyger; Chode
PT: "That man behind the curtain isn't committing the crimes, so why pay him any attention? "

Chode: "kill-em all... works for me "

So I guess the solution you two would advocate would be to kill every man, woman, and child in those neighborhoods?

How would you suggest that this pogrom be performed? Cordon off the neighborhood and start a sweep from one end to the other?

23 posted on 09/29/2012 7:48:52 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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So I guess the solution you two would advocate would be to kill every man, woman, and child in those neighborhoods?

I'd just kill the first born in every household.

24 posted on 09/29/2012 7:50:37 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: markomalley

These geniuses don’t realize that they are the ones who will be killed.


25 posted on 09/29/2012 7:52:28 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ClearCase_guy

These people seem to see a world divided in two:

Some folks are born in Beverly Hills. Everything is handed to them. They live in mansions with lots of women.
Others are just born black.

Perhaps, through robbing and killing, some blacks may also live in mansions with lots of women. Hope and Change, man. Hope and Change.


And then they will be the targets of the “Poor, hungry, young turks” who want what you have and right now without having to put in the time working for it.


26 posted on 09/29/2012 7:54:59 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: ETL

“Rob, steal and kill. That’s the only way. We didn’t grow up in Beverly Hills. We don’t get it handed to us,” he said.”

...exactly what “The Great Society” had in mind. More importantly, this is what excites Obobo. What a mentailty.


27 posted on 09/29/2012 7:56:19 AM PDT by albie
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“Rob, steal and kill. That’s the only way. We didn’t grow up in Beverly Hills. We don’t get it handed to us,” he said.

Come on ClearCaseguy - you know all of us were born in Beverly Hills - you know it was all 'handed to us'. This kids got it right.

Our secret is out.

None of us ever - NOT EVER - had to work, or pick up the garbage in our own yards, or go to school, or sweat the first job. Nope, none of that crap for us. You and me ClearCase - it was all handed to us. On a platter - a big silver one. Remember? The one the butler used to put our allowances on ... all that cash... Ah, sweet memories. Our secret is out...

28 posted on 09/29/2012 7:56:28 AM PDT by GOPJ (You only establish a feel for the line by having crossed it. - - Freeper One Name)
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To: DuncanWaring

There are members of this board who claim with a straight face that once the EBT cards no longer buy anything of value that these guys will give up their evil ways and become productive citizens.


Possibly so, but most of the members here think the opposite. They think that the vermin will attempt to swarm out of their cesspools looking for food, women, bling and anything else they can get their hands on.


29 posted on 09/29/2012 7:57:27 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: markomalley
the gangbangers, not the civilians...
30 posted on 09/29/2012 7:58:28 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: markomalley; Chode
How would you suggest that this pogrom be performed? Cordon off the neighborhood and start a sweep from one end to the other?

Actually the most efficient way would probably be a siege. Just cordon off the neighborhood so nothing gets in or out. Then wait about 60 days and let nature take its course.

31 posted on 09/29/2012 8:09:04 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: markomalley

Read the comments at the CBS site.

It’s like a mirror-image of Freeper comments. I think even Chicago is fed up with the progressive spin!

BTW, you know who DOES live in Hyde Park? The guy that’s supposed to so “in touch” with minorities - Barack Obama - yet refuses to pay so much as 1 single visit to downtown Chicago.

Feel exploited yet, Black America??


32 posted on 09/29/2012 8:09:08 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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the gangbangers, not the civilians...

Oh, OK. But what about the future gangbangers that will be born of these women who get paid more depending upon how many bastards they can squeeze out?

That's what I'm getting at with the "man behind the curtain."

This will always exist when people think that everybody is "given" what they have and that some are just "given" more than others. Some will just whine and be resentful and some will decide that "killing is the only solution."

This attitude is so commonplace in poor neighborhoods, I think that the attitude will just continue to breed more gangbangers. You can kill every single last gangbanger and there will be more bred to replace them.

Progressives / Socialists like Jacobson will theorize that if you take more from the rich and give it to the poor in order to make everybody the same class, all will be good. That's his point in doing the piece for CBS. He couldn't be more wrong.

As a great Christian saint from the 5th Century AD mused:

Should we look to kings and princes to put right the inequalities between rich and poor? Should we require soldiers to come and seize the rich person's gold and distribute it among his destitute neighbors? Should we beg the emperor to impose a tax on the rich so great that it reduces them to the level of the poor and then to share the proceeds of that tax among everyone? Equality imposed by force would achieve nothing, and do much harm. Those who combined both cruel hearts and sharp minds would soon find ways of making themselves rich again. Worse still, the rich whose gold was taken away would feel bitter and resentful; while the poor who received the gold form the hands of soldiers would feel no gratitude, because no generosity would have prompted the gift. Far from bringing moral benefit to society, it would actually do moral harm…

For what it's worth.

33 posted on 09/29/2012 8:12:27 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: DuncanWaring
Because if you somehow got those who commit the crimes to stop committing crimes, the man behind the curtain would create more people to commit crimes.

I'd say you'd do better to solve the first before deigning to give predictions on the second.

34 posted on 09/29/2012 8:14:53 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: markomalley

They are no longer gang-bangers, but a terrorist organization, and should be treated as such. KOBK!


35 posted on 09/29/2012 8:15:07 AM PDT by getarope (I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I am all out of bubble gum!)
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To: markomalley
that is the larger question...
36 posted on 09/29/2012 8:16:10 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: markomalley
So I guess the solution you two would advocate would be to kill every man, woman, and child in those neighborhoods?

My, aren't you the petulant little social engineer?

37 posted on 09/29/2012 8:17:52 AM PDT by papertyger
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My, aren't you the petulant little social engineer?

Maybe a little reverse engineering.

38 posted on 09/29/2012 8:19:26 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
So I guess the solution you two would advocate would be to kill every man, woman, and child in those neighborhoods? How would you suggest that this pogrom be performed? Cordon off the neighborhood and start a sweep from one end to the other?

The Tokyo fire storm, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, etc did decisively remove interest in war from the Japanese psyche.

39 posted on 09/29/2012 8:19:29 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: markomalley

Why are you adding me to your “kill’em all” canards?


40 posted on 09/29/2012 8:24:16 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: DuncanWaring
There are members of this board who claim with a straight face that once the EBT cards no longer buy anything of value that these guys will give up their evil ways and become productive citizens.

Depends on how it's done. If they suddenly stop working, then yeah the cities will burn.

If benefits are gradually reduced to the point where being a welfare mom stops being viable, and being married to a guy with a steady job becomes more attractive, then you will see a gradual shift. When you need a steady job in order to get laid, then those young men will develop more of an interest in becoming qualified for employment.

41 posted on 09/29/2012 8:24:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: markomalley

.......“Killing, killing is the solution.” ........

sadly.....this may be the only solution......


42 posted on 09/29/2012 8:26:00 AM PDT by is_is (VP Dad of Sgt. G - My Hero - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: markomalley

“There’s no solution to the violence,” one gang member tells him. “Killing, killing is the solution.”
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
People should be careful what they ‘wish’ for.
OR, in this case, be thankful the ‘majority’ hasn’t started on this ‘grand plan’.


43 posted on 09/29/2012 8:26:18 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: markomalley
Maybe a little reverse engineering.

Clever gainsaying and cliches are not substantive arguments.

44 posted on 09/29/2012 8:27:16 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: markomalley

this is what happens when you take the father out of the home.
The older boys in the neighborhood gang become the father figures.
They’re doing a find job aren’t they?
They, themselves, were raised the same way.

And while this is real bad in the black community, look around you.
Fathers are disappearing from the family - everywhere now.


45 posted on 09/29/2012 8:27:21 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: markomalley
Oh, OK. But what about the future gangbangers that will be born of these women who get paid more depending upon how many bastards they can squeeze out?

...

This attitude is so commonplace in poor neighborhoods, I think that the attitude will just continue to breed more gangbangers. You can kill every single last gangbanger and there will be more bred to replace them.

That's why I keep saying that the only solution involves changing the attitudes of inner-city women, by changing the incentives offered to them.

Currently, they have an incentive to be the girlfriends of the most violent thugs, so that they will be protected from all the OTHER violent predators. They have no incentive to marry a guy with a steady working-class job, because he would need to have a middle-class income level before he could out-bid the set of benefits they have access to.

46 posted on 09/29/2012 8:31:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: papertyger

There was a time in this country when we didn’t have large numbers of people making their livlihood through robbery, murder and parasitism.

Now we do.

Courtesy of the man behind the curtain.


47 posted on 09/29/2012 8:34:07 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: papertyger
Why are you adding me to your “kill’em all” canards?

Because you, apparently, are interested in dealing solely with the individuals, not what taught the individuals to espouse their attitudes. Without dealing with the latter, no matter what you do to the perps now (even "kill'em all"), there will just be many, many more replacement perps bred in the future.

We all agree that the publick schools are nothing but indoctrination centers. How much more of an indoctrination center is the 'hood, where the government provides for every need (to include the EBT card, the subsidized housing slums, and so on? Along with partially funding community organizers who, although they live in Hyde Park, make it their business to go into the hood and rabble rouse these people into believing that they're being cheated out of their fair share? (Obama gave me a phone -- I'm voting Obama)

48 posted on 09/29/2012 8:36:37 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: SE Mom

They don’t see this as a result of their failed policies and will do everything wrong to fix it.


49 posted on 09/29/2012 8:53:44 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: liberalh8ter
I work in a city that has the worst crime rate in the Northwest. Fortunately we are no Chicago, but I have been to my share of gang related murders and mayhem. The thing that people do not seem to comprehend is that in these non-productive segments of society nearly all of the money comes from just two sources... the illegal drug trade and the government. The money for the illegal drugs actually comes mostly from the government. Surprisingly a relatively small amount actually comes from stealing from other segments of society. That is because they receive only a tiny fraction of the original value from stolen goods.

It is the money that fuels the violence. The top dogs do fairly well for themselves. Because of the limited perspective that those in these areas actually have... this is the way that they think that they are most likely to get ahead.

I like your solution... once you take the government money away and provide only the actual necessities of life... food, shelter, and plain clothing all in a well supervised bland, but safe setting... human creativity and perseverance would cause even these idiots to start pursuing more productive endeavors.

50 posted on 09/29/2012 9:05:04 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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