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GOP outrage over Obamacare has fizzled out (Commentary)
WaPo via SILive.com ^ | September 30, 2012 | Juan Williams

Posted on 09/30/2012 9:22:59 AM PDT by Qbert

Edited on 09/30/2012 10:11:15 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

What ever happened to the political power of Republican anger over President Obama’s health-care reform?

GOP candidates used anxiety over changes to the nation’s health-care system - which they derisively called “Obamacare“ - to win big in the 2010 midterm elections. Earlier this year, it was conventional wisdom that Obama could not withstand the political rage against health-care reform in a general election.


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I hate to be forcing Juan Williams on you, but at the same time, he does have some very valid points about Republican apathy on this issue...
1 posted on 09/30/2012 9:23:09 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert
Please, someone disabuse me of the notion that Rino Dr. Frist is positioned to make a financial killing at one of the ObamaCare bureaucratic choke points.
I never trusted that goofy looking guy.
2 posted on 09/30/2012 9:29:59 AM PDT by Amagi (Chief Justice John Roberts is a traitorous weasel.)
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To: Qbert

There was a reason we fought so hard not to pass it, then to win the ne t election, then to get it struck down. Because this is exactly what always happens: the longer they’re in there the tougher they are to strike down. If ot ever actually goes into effect it’ll never leave. Lest we go bankrupt, which is evermore likely.

However unpopular a bill may be it is infinitely difficult to keep up a froth against it for years of buildup, a summer of town hall madness, a special election that turned out to be useless, a tooth and nail legislative fight, a midterm election, and a landmark (as they say) court case. Tucker’s me out to think of it.


3 posted on 09/30/2012 9:30:19 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Qbert

I this November is a loss, the GOP is dead. It was all there for the taking. Imwould be time for a new approach that doesn’t involve a milquetoast leadership in the party organization.


4 posted on 09/30/2012 9:31:24 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Qbert

Juan is not the sharpest spork in the lunch room.


5 posted on 09/30/2012 9:32:52 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Qbert

Apathy? Call it surrender. Instead of repeal, the new GOP-E speak is Obamcare reform, as in....we’ll accept it with some modifications. The government apparatus, regardless of party, never gives up on a source of power through control willingly.


6 posted on 09/30/2012 9:34:07 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: Qbert

Well, of course, since the GOP nominated it’s creator. If Romney wins, he’ll probably double down on it, expanding it greatly.


7 posted on 09/30/2012 9:34:57 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: ilgipper

Let me try that again:

If this November is a loss, the GOP is dead. It was all there for the taking. It would be time for a new approach that doesn’t involve a milquetoast leadership in the party organization.


8 posted on 09/30/2012 9:35:09 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Qbert; vette6387; justiceseeker93; freekitty

Death Panels, rationing, and the taxes will enrage We The People. The rage is brewing and it will be raging real when the IRS digs into their accounts. Count on it! When Americans realize they’re going to bend over and kiss their rears goodbye at the order of Big Bro’s Death Panels, the feces will hit the political fan.

Barry’s DeathCare = Holocaust II, IMO.


9 posted on 09/30/2012 9:35:12 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: TigersEye

Ohhhh, just wait until the Obamacare pain sets in and their focus gets slapped back.

Other than symbolic votes, what have they done???? If they do win the WH/Sen/House and they blow it, the GOP is dead.


10 posted on 09/30/2012 9:36:19 AM PDT by Kolath
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To: Qbert

No he doesn’t, you putz.


11 posted on 09/30/2012 9:36:54 AM PDT by richardtavor
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To: Qbert

No he doesn’t, you putz.


12 posted on 09/30/2012 9:36:56 AM PDT by richardtavor
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To: Qbert

The outrage is gone because Obama is gone... and everyone knows it.

When we all get out to vote in a little over a month the world will look alot better... optimism will return and Obama and his ilk can take the fortune they made off the taxpayer and retire to their big stinkin houses in Hawaii.


13 posted on 09/30/2012 9:37:27 AM PDT by mike_9958
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To: Qbert

Just wait until they start getting the bill - or the queue for basic services - or the notice that their cherished plan is ending - or that the physician they searched so hard to find has decided enough of this crap and has announced his retirement - or the inevitable death-panels.


14 posted on 09/30/2012 9:37:35 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Qbert

What happened to the political argument?

In a word, Romneycare.


15 posted on 09/30/2012 9:39:37 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tublecane

"However unpopular a bill may be it is infinitely difficult to keep up a froth against it for years of buildup, a summer of town hall madness, a special election that turned out to be useless, a tooth and nail legislative fight, a midterm election, and a landmark (as they say) court case. Tucker’s me out to think of it."

I know that's a common sentiment- and it's understandable, but we can certainly muster the strength back until November. This is the last chance, really.

Romney's not going to talk about it, or at least in a credible fashion. If we want to have any fighting chance, we're going to have to do it ourselves (yet again).

16 posted on 09/30/2012 9:41:21 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

“When Americans realize they’re going to bend over and kiss their rears goodbye at the order of Big Bro’s Death Panels, the feces will hit the political fan.”

I fear...you underestimate the sheepelness of the sheeple. The only things that outrages the american people is seems is a bad call by a replacement ref at a football game or someone they like being dropped from dancing with the stars...

We can survive a stupid leader we cannot survive a stupid electorate....


17 posted on 09/30/2012 9:41:39 AM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: Qbert

How many people really beleive obamacare will be overturned in congress or de-funded in the house or EOed out by Romney if he should win?
Romney and other Republicans have stated many times there are parts they like and will keep.
Many Republicans in congress say they can tweak it to make it better.
Many have said there is nothing they can do after the supreme court decision.
A few have said repeal and then replace.
I don’t hear anyone saying repeal period.
There are all sorts of reasons people are now claiming that obamacare is here to stay.
The people of the country still do not want it, that apparently means nothing.


18 posted on 09/30/2012 9:41:44 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet concidered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Qbert

Juan Williams? You people are so easy!


19 posted on 09/30/2012 9:43:26 AM PDT by McGruff (Support your local Republican candidates. They are our last line of defense.)
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To: Qbert

Who needs Juan Williams to say the obvious. When voters chose RomneyCare, father of ObamaCare, over Newt - I knew voters just didn’t give a flip anymore. Voters do not walk the talk - a bunch of wusses! Patriots they are NOT! America now will be like any other socialistic country - where it is not WeThePeople. The majority of voters are gutless.


20 posted on 09/30/2012 9:45:44 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Breto

I didn’t like the call, but was spared from outrage by being a Minnesotan. So I have plenty leftovers for Obamacare.


21 posted on 09/30/2012 9:47:35 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: richardtavor

"No he doesn’t, you putz."

Ha Ha. It's a lot better strategy to stop making excuses for lame Republicans and to stop putting a sunny face on everything... and to start pummeling your opponents. You'll thank me in the end.

22 posted on 09/30/2012 9:47:49 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

You can’t get rid of commiecare until you get rid of the commie..


23 posted on 09/30/2012 9:50:07 AM PDT by CMailBag
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To: Breto
We can survive a stupid leader we cannot survive a stupid electorate....

That's a solid gold money quote!

Regards,
GtG

24 posted on 09/30/2012 9:51:10 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Qbert

Dear Juan,

We are currently focused on defeating your president. The candidate who will win is going to repeal Obama care. We will debate and argue with him about what to replace it with, but OCare is history.

Your using Bill Frist as an example of conservative thought is, uhmm, errr, ahhh, LAUGHABLE.

Sincerely,
Screaming Eagle Mom


25 posted on 09/30/2012 9:51:26 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Qbert

There is still plenty of outrage.
But you can’t live every day of your life lashing out like an angry bull.

After Chief Justice Roberts’ abandonment of constitutional law to give Obama a win, the legal avenues available to change or eliminate ObamaKare have essentially been reduced to only one: win this election.

Romney has made it clear that he will shut down the implementation and work to overturn the law.

If he isn’t elected we will be stuck with ObamaKare until SHTF gets here.


26 posted on 09/30/2012 9:52:15 AM PDT by Iron Munro (US Embassies Come and Go But An Obama Apology Lasts Forever)
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To: presently no screen name

“Voters do not walk the talk - a bunch of wusses! Patriots they are NOT!”

People too lazy to vote could never be relied on to pick up a weapon to defend freedom if it really hit the fan.

This republic in its present form is pretty much done for.

Flame away with your rah-rah platitudes about how great America is (WAS).


27 posted on 09/30/2012 9:52:55 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: McGruff

Just what I was thinking, my outrage isn’t gone, but like most people (IMHO) we can’t do a thing until the election, and if we don’t take the Senate it won’t matter too much (for Obamacare anyway). But Obama has to go and I believe it will happen.


28 posted on 09/30/2012 9:53:49 AM PDT by WHBates
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To: presently no screen name

Funny you pick Newt, one of the early advocates of the mandate. It was one of those nutso pieces of backwards logic for conservatives convinced of the creeping socialism’s inevitability, just like Cap N Trade. “If they’re gonna have universal healthcare coverage let’s force everyone to pay! Yeah. Then there’ll be a little sliver of personal responsibility, even if it’s forced.”


29 posted on 09/30/2012 9:53:58 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Qbert

juan williams is equal to used toilet paper


30 posted on 09/30/2012 9:54:53 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
Death Panels, rationing, and the taxes will enrage We The People. The rage is brewing and it will be raging real when the IRS digs into their accounts.

16,500 new IRS agents are waiting to start enforcing the Obamanation about to take effect.

31 posted on 09/30/2012 9:55:31 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: MikeSteelBe

It’s not only those too lazy to vote and it’s the propaganda washed voters who do vote!


32 posted on 09/30/2012 9:55:44 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Qbert

“In fact, more Republicans are getting on board....
Meanwhile, insurance companies and hospitals are making the argument to state governments that repeal of the ACA is highly unlikely unless an incredible landslide occurs in November...”

And they have their Hillary man....RomneyHillary backing himshe all the way.

Fascism mandate MassachusettsRomney.

Bailing them out and their divisions in Life Insurance also.
Look up who’s backed up Joe Lieberman and Max Bacchus.


33 posted on 09/30/2012 9:59:35 AM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Iron Munro
After Chief Justice Roberts’ abandonment of constitutional law to give Obama a win, the legal avenues available to change or eliminate ObamaKare have essentially been reduced to only one: win this election.

Roberts was right about one thing; it is not up to the court to protect the public from the results of their foolish choices in elections.

34 posted on 09/30/2012 9:59:36 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Joe Boucher; Qbert
juan williams is equal to used toilet paper

Yes, and meant to be flushed and not to be considered something to be 'thought of'.

35 posted on 09/30/2012 9:59:48 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Iron Munro

"Romney has made it clear that he will shut down the implementation and work to overturn the law."

Yep. Just to clarify- my point here is not to pile on Romney- he's the horse we have going into November. My point is that we need big numbers in the Senate to repeal, and thus far, I haven't really seen candidates addressing this substantially. Candidates need to stop listening to dopey GOp-e consultants, and to start listening to We The People again.

36 posted on 09/30/2012 10:00:09 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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Can’t help but compare the fervor leading up to 2010 compared to now. The town-hall protests, the Tea Party, the Obamacare pushback, etc. A thousand people waiting out in freezing temps at a bookstore for a Palin book-signing. In my travels, I had total strangers confront me at restaurants and gift shops strike conversations and point at newspapers, expressing abject contempt with Obama.

There was a conservative-populist grassfire set alight back then. A ton of energy to be harnessed. But the GOP-E seemed to do everything it could to pour cold water on it, from the horrid lame-duck session to FoxNews veering left to all the brilliant GOP punditry pushing “moderation” and running away from the Tea party. Now six weeks to go to the election, and I see no fervor, and very little enthusiasm. From the astonishingly abysmal economy to the crony-esque sleaze and corruption to the foreign policy fiascos, the GOP has had a TON of ammo to go up against Obama with. But no one has really lit that grassfire anew.


37 posted on 09/30/2012 10:00:19 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Qbert

It is hard to feign outrage when we have a nominee (or his spokesperson) who brags on his own version of it every other week.


38 posted on 09/30/2012 10:02:43 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Iron Munro
But you can’t live every day of your life lashing out like an angry bull.

No, but you CAN speak the truth about them every day. Ignore the fact that truth to them is hate speech. The only thing libs hate more than that is when you tell them you're praying for them!

39 posted on 09/30/2012 10:03:48 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: greene66

"Can’t help but compare the fervor leading up to 2010 compared to now. The town-hall protests, the Tea Party, the Obamacare pushback, etc. A thousand people waiting out in freezing temps at a bookstore for a Palin book-signing. In my travels, I had total strangers confront me at restaurants and gift shops strike conversations and point at newspapers, expressing abject contempt with Obama."

On the on hand, that's natural, though. The Tea Party is focusing more on getting solid candidates elected, and a little less on rallies- and that's fine. The election is what counts in the end. I just think our candidates need to do more to turn the heat up.

40 posted on 09/30/2012 10:04:29 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: JimRed

Roberts is wrong. He was to decide if it was constitutional or not and nothing about an election or what side of the aisle it came from.

Either EVERYONE is under socialistic healthcare of NO ONE is.


41 posted on 09/30/2012 10:05:16 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Varsity Flight

Global funds/bank bailout fascist style. Right out of leverage shackle-citizens mandate.

Their cover.


42 posted on 09/30/2012 10:05:29 AM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Iron Munro
When did he do that?
He has also said he likes parts.
He has said republicans can fix it.
He has also repeal and replace.
His advisers have said he won't.
It will be hard for Romney to end the very thing he was the model for.
43 posted on 09/30/2012 10:07:14 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Qbert

The BS meter is completely overloaded. The issue is not that the anger has subsided in any way. The issue is a profoundly dishonest media that continues to ignore and suppress the will of the people. You can shout at a brick wall for just so long. Sometimes it takes a while to bring the heavy equipment necessary to solve the problem. They won’t like what happens when a wrecking ball is applied to the wall...


44 posted on 09/30/2012 10:17:09 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Qbert

45 posted on 09/30/2012 10:20:47 AM PDT by Brandonmark (2012: Our Hope IS Change!)
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To: Qbert
Does anyone believe for a second that this wasn't the liberals' plan all along? Just get the damned thing passed, then complacency will set in and we'll be entrenched forever.

It is the nature of an incremental enemy.

46 posted on 09/30/2012 10:22:21 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Qbert

BS from Juan Williams. I am more outraged than ever and so is everyone I know.


47 posted on 09/30/2012 10:24:40 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: ExTexasRedhead
When Americans realize they’re going to bend over and kiss their rears goodbye at the order of Big Bro’s Death Panels, the feces will hit the political fan.

Please pardon me for filing this under "When The Supreme Court Gets A Hold Of This They'll Slap It Down"; "But Of Course, The Campaign Finance Law Will Be Declared Unconstituional" and "Romney Will Really Listen To Us Because We'll Hold His Feet To The Fire".

In other words, if wishes were bicycles, beggars would ride.

48 posted on 09/30/2012 10:26:04 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: presently no screen name

RomneyCare, father of ObamaCare+

Well, the son is a bit overweight. Did Romneycare have over 2,000 pages of regulations that Obamacare has?????? I just heard on FOX that beginning this month, hospitals are fined 2,000 $ for every patient that is re-admitted within a thirty day period. This is great for those of us that have congestive heart failure (CHF), and those with relapses,. someone may pick up pneumonia after surgery-—these things may result in death.
Romney has promised to immediately give all states the option of getting out of Obamacare and says he will repeal it in toto and start over. You Juan Williams fans are doing nothing but helping this Muslim SOB get re-electer!


49 posted on 09/30/2012 10:27:45 AM PDT by RightLady (Take out the trash Nov 6th)
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To: IronJack

"Not a great plan!"

It cost them DEARLY, both Federally and locally, in 2010, and quite likely again in 2012.

50 posted on 09/30/2012 10:30:22 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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