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Montana governor sees big savings with new state health clinic
Reuters ^ | Sat Sep 29, 2012 | By Dan Boyce

Posted on 09/30/2012 9:47:49 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

* State to save $20 million over five years - governor

* Aim is to reduce duplicate testing for patients

* Doctors paid by the hour rather than by procedure

* Employees pay neither a co-pay nor a deductible

HELENA, Mont., Sept 29 (Reuters) - Montana, looking to cut down on state healthcare costs, has opened the nation's first government-run clinic for state employees in a program the Rocky Mountain state's governor says could ultimately cover a much broader range of people.

Democratic Governor Brian Schweitzer says the primary care clinic in the state capital Helena will keep the area's 11,000 state workers and their dependents healthier while saving the state $20 million over five years. . .

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1 posted on 09/30/2012 9:47:56 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

So the state set up an HMO for it’s Helena employees? State employees are not the problem. Paying doctors an hourly wage should make them more productive. /sarc


2 posted on 09/30/2012 10:03:06 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Take two Aspirin and call me in November - Obama for Hindmost.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Sure sounds like a good idea....Taking the insurance money normally paid as a benefit and spending it on actual care.

How many people used their "sick time" for shopping, golfing etc.....It was really abused where I worked...which was in government at the time.

3 posted on 09/30/2012 10:06:00 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Brad from Tennessee

So, a physician would get the same amount of money whether he performs an intricate brain surgery, or he writes out a prescription for aspirin... yeah, that’ll lead to better patient care.


4 posted on 09/30/2012 10:20:44 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Good luck with that. Another liberal utopian dream.

Who wants their doctor paid like a Wal Mart employee?


5 posted on 09/30/2012 10:20:56 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: exDemMom

Oops, I should have specified “per hour.”


6 posted on 09/30/2012 10:21:30 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Mike Darancette
If you wonder how efficient salaried government healthcare can be, check out the productivity at the nearest VA Medical Center. If you are anywhere near the exit at 4:30pm, better stand back.
7 posted on 09/30/2012 10:31:54 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

I’m a patient of Togus (Maine) VA faiity.

I’ve never received better care.


8 posted on 09/30/2012 10:38:13 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: Brad from Tennessee; All

Interesting..since this is what businesses did years ago to provide health care for their employees...before the days of Big Government and Globalism

If done properly, it will decrease insurance costs. Funny, but the biggest detractors to the Montana state government doing this will be private insurers and Private corporate medical facilities...who rely on the government for their business


9 posted on 09/30/2012 10:48:44 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: exDemMom

Well if its good enough for my car......

NOT


10 posted on 09/30/2012 10:50:17 AM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: Sacajaweau
Sure sounds like a good idea...

It's a horrible idea. It's one government solution to fix a previous problem directly caused by government action. The idiot Marxist FDR and his Statist minions imposed wage controls in WWII. To get around it companies started offering to pay for health care. That was the start of third party payer.

.Taking the insurance money normally paid as a benefit and spending it on actual care.

Only those who don't think through the unintended consequences would conclude such. Hazlitt, Bastiat, Friedman have written extensively on the fallacy of "government solutions."

The only true solution is to somehow have mechanisms in place to transition the government completely out of health care. (probability 1 in 1,000,000,000.)

Outside of Constitutionally authorized duties, everything, absolutely everything the government touches it corrupts and eventually destroys.

Within 10 years the people of Montana will come to despise this "solution."

11 posted on 09/30/2012 10:51:21 AM PDT by sand88
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To: hinckley buzzard

“If you are anywhere near the exit at 4:30pm, better stand back.”

Unless its the “we live on the overtime” crowd... I can see it taking 5 hours to get an aspirin....


12 posted on 09/30/2012 10:51:57 AM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: exDemMom
Image and video hosting by TinyPic I really don't understand what the problem is.
13 posted on 09/30/2012 11:10:15 AM PDT by peggybac (Hope and Change has become Divide and Conquer)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Old Governor Brian Swindler helping the citizens of Montana. That dumbass is still looking for Froggy Dew.....and his brain.


14 posted on 09/30/2012 11:11:47 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Old Governor Swindler had one campaign issue.......one. He was going to turn Montana coal into oil and reduce the price of gas. You can’t fill the tank on a lawn mower with the gas made from Montana coal. He lucked into an oil boom in Eastern Montana. He actually makes Obama look like a hard worker.


15 posted on 09/30/2012 11:24:54 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: peggybac

LOL...that reminds me of a true story....friend of ours has in law who is a surgeon (heart, I think)....and he SMOKES! And, he told said friend when questioned about that....”You do NOT want me NOT smoking if I am going to do surgery on YOU!”


16 posted on 09/30/2012 11:24:59 AM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I’m under VA care and I like the respect they show to us patients. Though the employees might behave better since we are Vets after all.


17 posted on 09/30/2012 11:29:23 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Take two Aspirin and call me in November - Obama for Hindmost.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
I'm quite happy with VA care. Schweitzer is very popular here he's run large budget surpluses during his terms, so there is really no opposition to this, folks here will wait and see how it works out.
18 posted on 09/30/2012 11:30:00 AM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: blueunicorn6

Oh, and he was going to help the Indians. Him and the Democrats mandated Indian history classes in the schools. Unemployment rates on the reservation that make France look like a champ....alcohol and drug abuse rates that are truly shocking......a suicide rate that breaks your heart...dropout rates that make Detroit look like a city of scholars....an entire race and culture ghettoized on the Great Plains by their Democrat friends. But, we study their history. Thanks Brian!


19 posted on 09/30/2012 11:33:09 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: montanajoe

The only people who want government health care are those who have never had to have it. There are nice people in the VA system, but the VA itself is screwed up. Take a look at how fast they’re processing claims. My Dad was a Korean War Veteran. He had a blood test done by the VA. He kept asking for the results. He called them for months. He died waiting for his results. Right there in Montana.


20 posted on 09/30/2012 12:22:38 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

“”The only people who want government health care are those who have never had to have it.””

Sorry, the English people will never give up their dreadful government-run system. They know it’s bad, they complain about it all the time. But they fight vociferously any effort to streamline or cut the budget of the National Health Service.

The English people will never give up socialized medicine they are terrified of being self-reliant and having to find their own doctors and insurance companies.

Medicine is the last great prize for socialists. Once you give up control of your health care — the most intimate, private part of your life — you have nothing left. Nothing.

You are now the property of the U.S. government.


21 posted on 09/30/2012 12:38:28 PM PDT by heye2monn (A)
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To: blueunicorn6
Sorry to hear about your dad. I've been happy with the care I get at Fort Harrison but most of what I have gotten has been out of Salt Lake and Denver. I have noticed in the past few years that more and more of the younger guys coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan are in the system. I have been using the VA less for procedures I can just pay for, as I figure the younger guys need the care more than me. I certainly never found insurance based systems were any better than the VA if you had a serious illness or accident. Frankly, the best care I have ever received is in hospitals in SE Asia at about 1/20th of the cost in the United States.
22 posted on 09/30/2012 12:38:51 PM PDT by montanajoe (Blame Flame Shame or Beg I won't vote for R/R)
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To: montanajoe

Thank-you for your service.


23 posted on 09/30/2012 12:41:28 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: nhwingut

Well, that’s where obamacare is taking us, health care personal will be “government employees”.


24 posted on 09/30/2012 4:15:09 PM PDT by jonefab
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Judging from the comments, nobody picked up on a major problem with this plan. No co-pay? No deductible? What happens when you make something “free”? People go for all they can get. Every time somebody gets a sniffle, he will go to the clinic. As with all government giveaways, quality and supply will decline and costs will soar. I hope folks are prepared to wait for hours to see a doctor.


25 posted on 10/01/2012 12:25:52 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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