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Live Thread: Univision Report on Fast and Furious 7 P.M. EDT 9/30/12
Univision ^ | Sunday, September 30, 2012 | Kristinn

Posted on 09/30/2012 4:04:20 PM PDT by kristinn

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Try checking https://twitter.com/AquiyAhoraShow for links to info on program.


51 posted on 09/30/2012 5:07:20 PM PDT by Museum Twenty (If every truth & hidden motivation were to tumble out, not one supporter would turn against him.)
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To: mazda77

New info?


52 posted on 09/30/2012 5:08:19 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: kristinn; All

This may be it:

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/fast-furious-scandal-details-emerge-us-government-armed/story?id=17352694#.UGjcke1vRUQ


53 posted on 09/30/2012 5:08:55 PM PDT by Museum Twenty (If every truth & hidden motivation were to tumble out, not one supporter would turn against him.)
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To: kristinn

Replay with English subtitles.

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/fast-furious-scandal-details-emerge-us-government-armed/story?id=17352694#.UGjeO47A421


54 posted on 09/30/2012 5:09:39 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: kristinn

There should be a transcript in a Day or two..; The title is “The Secrets of Fast and Furious.” (”Los Secretos de Rapido y Furioso”)


55 posted on 09/30/2012 5:10:30 PM PDT by cookcounty (Kagan and Sotomayor side with Joe Wilson: -------Obama DID lie!)
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To: mazda77

Thank you, mazda77, please keep us informed.


56 posted on 09/30/2012 5:12:22 PM PDT by cookcounty (Kagan and Sotomayor side with Joe Wilson: -------Obama DID lie!)
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To: Museum Twenty

No problem. Museum Twenty.


57 posted on 09/30/2012 5:13:40 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Clint N. Suhks

That was a one hour show. Only about 9 minutes total in this video. The coverup continues by the American MSM.


58 posted on 09/30/2012 5:16:33 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: VRWCarea51
Note to ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, NYT This is what reporting Looks like.

Post of the day!!!

59 posted on 09/30/2012 5:18:06 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.)
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To: VRWCarea51
Note to ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, NYT This is what reporting Looks like.

Post of the day!!!

60 posted on 09/30/2012 5:18:06 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everyone stands around reloading.)
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To: Irenic

Oh, thanks so much. Works great.


61 posted on 09/30/2012 5:18:11 PM PDT by GrandmaPatriot
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To: VRWCarea51

Dec 5, 2011

Infographic: What triggered the “Fast and Furious” controversy?

http://univisionnews.tumblr.com/post/13785347383/infographic-what-triggered-the-fast-and-furious


62 posted on 09/30/2012 5:22:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: mazda77

This was only the first in a series of reports on Operation Fast and Furious.


63 posted on 09/30/2012 5:23:15 PM PDT by DrGunsforHands
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To: mazda77

Holy cow! Now they are showing Maripily dancing! (Ahem...distracting.)


64 posted on 09/30/2012 5:24:31 PM PDT by Museum Twenty (If every truth & hidden motivation were to tumble out, not one supporter would turn against him.)
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Link to ABC News/ Univision page with English subtitles on 9:37 video clip from the report. The accompanying article is in English.
65 posted on 09/30/2012 5:25:07 PM PDT by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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To: NormsRevenge

Something strikes me as odd about this. It’s an assumption (based of course on POLLS) that the latino/hispanic vote is 99% for Obama. Given the very professional but hard questioning he received on Univision a couple of weeks ago and the aggressive reporting they’re doing on F & F...it makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

I’d love to know what the viewing numbers are for this show.


66 posted on 09/30/2012 5:26:51 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: mazda77

It sounds like they are well informed from what you’re saying. That is a very good thing!


67 posted on 09/30/2012 5:30:10 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Clint N. Suhks

At the ABC/Univision site it is a 9 minute clip. Is that the whole thing? Is this a show, or just a portion of the Spanish “nightly news?”


68 posted on 09/30/2012 5:32:26 PM PDT by cookcounty (Kagan and Sotomayor side with Joe Wilson: -------Obama DID lie!)
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To: kristinn

From the thread at Hot Air:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/29/video-univisions-bombshell-report-on-fast-furious/

Just saw the report by Univision. Ramos NEVER mentioned Eric “My People” Holder being declared in Contempt of Congress and Executive Privilege being asserted on the documents Issa asked for.
Ramos from Univision is BIASED on this report, leading to the conclusion of circling the wagons around Obama, the One that granted amnesty to illegal immigration. The only thing Ramos states at the end is how INFLEXIBLE the American people are about “their” (Ramos I believe is a U.S. citizen) Second Amendment and how Americans opposed gun control laws. Well, Ramos, this is the United States of America, not the United States of Mexico where there is no Second Amendment and Mexicans cannot defend themselves from crime. The corrupt police, army, and government in their country is at fault for not allowing people to defend themselves. The ENFORCEMENT of existing laws are key, no gun regulations, which apparently Obama and his cronies wanted to do by allowing the arms to walk to Mexico.

Pixel_Dust_1776 on September 30, 2012 at 8:15 PM


69 posted on 09/30/2012 5:36:34 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom
"Something strikes me as odd about this. It’s an assumption (based of course on POLLS) that the latino/hispanic vote is 99% for Obama.

I don't think anybody believes it is 99%, or anything like that. 60% maybe, worst case 65%. There are MILLIONS of Hispanics who are conservative and vote that way. New Mexico has a majority Hispanic population and yet elected Tea-Partier Susana Martinez Governor in 2010.

70 posted on 09/30/2012 5:38:41 PM PDT by cookcounty (Kagan and Sotomayor side with Joe Wilson: -------Obama DID lie!)
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To: TigersEye

Unlike our media who will not show “disturbing” images, they did show video of killings in addition to lots of after incident pictures without masking. This was intended to get a visceral reaction from those who viewed it.

They have the contacts to get at the story from the Mexican side of the border. Someplace our MSM has not been willing to go. I also learned there is information that at least one office in Mexico knew of the ATF program and they were involved in some way more in making money on the drugs than they were in worrying about the guns.


71 posted on 09/30/2012 5:40:42 PM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: SE Mom

Considering coverage by Vintage USA Media, any light shining on the situation is a good thing.


72 posted on 09/30/2012 5:42:16 PM PDT by Museum Twenty (If every truth & hidden motivation were to tumble out, not one supporter would turn against him.)
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To: kristinn

That was very damning to the Obama Administration. Thanks for the link.


73 posted on 09/30/2012 5:43:45 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: SE Mom

You appear to be asking the question that has been bugging me.

If the audience for this show is large enough, it could go viral in the Hispanic community.

If I learned that the US government had been smuggling weapons into the country of my origin, where friends and family still lived, I would be livid.

The only question is whether I would see through the meme of “Bush started it”. Under Bush, they tried something completely different, and stopped when it failed.

Under Obama, it was completely out of control. And I wonder that if the Hispanic community ever “gets it”’ they will turn against Obama.


74 posted on 09/30/2012 5:43:46 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: mazda77
Someplace our MSM has not been willing to go.

Not willing is right because they can get all the access they want.

Pat Caddell slams the media: They have become an “enemy of the people” (video 26:00)

75 posted on 09/30/2012 5:46:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Mozilla

Many thanks for that link. I copied off the full text into a doc file for reference later. Sure wish the English subtitles worked, but the pictures showed the damage done to the US/Mexico relations by this despicable administration.

I would like to know what Obama said in his clip; it’s not shown in the translate.


76 posted on 09/30/2012 5:49:38 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: justlurking

Even if they do accept the (completely bogus) idea that Bush did it too will they really let 0bowdown off the hook for letting 1,500+ guns get into cartel hands and 300+ people murdered with those guns? I’m not sure they will want to drink that much Kool-Aid.


77 posted on 09/30/2012 5:51:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: brityank

If it is what he said in his Univision interview, he essentially blamed Bush,saying that it was something he inherited from the previous administration.

You should be able to find a transcript of that interview with a search.


78 posted on 09/30/2012 5:53:03 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: mazda77

Re your “Unlike our media who will not show “disturbing” images”, that is so true!

I have found Univision more visually honest in its presentations, generally.


79 posted on 09/30/2012 6:00:53 PM PDT by Museum Twenty (If every truth & hidden motivation were to tumble out, not one supporter would turn against him.)
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To: kristinn

ABC news had a video with english subtitles but only 9 minutes long... Anyword when the whole hour be up.


80 posted on 09/30/2012 6:01:03 PM PDT by scbison
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To: justlurking

Yep, thanks - I saw some of that. Back to Google! :^)


81 posted on 09/30/2012 6:01:50 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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Oh, please. "Aqui y Ahora ‏@AquiyAhoraShow #Costaoeste En "El Gran Encuentro" de @Univision @BarackObama afirmó que Rápido y Furioso no había empezado durante su mandato #AyA 7pm" (AKA, It's not my fault. Barack 0bama)
82 posted on 09/30/2012 6:11:08 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: kristinn

I sure hope Freepers send this to Rush, Hannity, Levin, Drudge, et al.


83 posted on 09/30/2012 6:18:58 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: combat_boots

Have they noted that Bush had the approval of the Mexican government and also actually had the ability to track the guns BEFORE they showed up at crime scenes - in contrast to what Obama has done?


84 posted on 09/30/2012 6:22:55 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Butter, I didn’t watch it, and I’m not going to watch it.

Fast and Furious, Mexico, Faster and Furiouser, Libya, Egypt, and in Afghanistan, we have a triple lutz.


85 posted on 09/30/2012 6:31:33 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: kristinn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y1Zz3otzos&feature=youtu.be
I uploaded it to youtube, it will be live shortly


86 posted on 09/30/2012 6:38:16 PM PDT by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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To: mazda77

“just like we suspected all along. They ( our government) wanted the body count to cause repercussions in the laws in our country.”

Exactly.


87 posted on 09/30/2012 6:40:16 PM PDT by FryingPan101 (2016 looms)
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To: kristinn

I taped the show and am watching now. What they are uncovering is essentially an ATF cover-up that goes back to 2009, with the fake gun registrations and ATF e-mails that correspond about covering up. There were a couple of massacres in the Sinaloa ares, focusing on a mother of 2 sons, 18 and 20, both of whom were dead in the massacre. There were direct connections from Arizona and Texas that are definitively traced back to the ATF selling large quantities of guns that were used in these massacres. They have fingered the leaders, some of whom are under arrest now and admitted they had help from north of the border.

There is an American guy named Crumpler, who appears to have been a patsy for the government. Crumpler was recruited in Orlando to sell guns at gun shows and apparently grew suspicious as the same buyers were showing up at show after show and buying large quantities. He has evidence that the ATF knew these guys were running guns to Central America and Puerto Rico and these were used in lots of crimes.
Univision has records, witnesses, info from ATF that is very decisive. I am a little more than half through it. I will provide more input when done going over the tape.


88 posted on 09/30/2012 6:42:20 PM PDT by untwist
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To: RaceBannon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y1Zz3otzos&feature=youtu.be

I uploaded it to youtube, it will be live shortly.

Thank you!

89 posted on 09/30/2012 6:43:48 PM PDT by callisto (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Museum Twenty

“I have found Univision more visually honest in its presentations, generally.”
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Shep on Fox News was “accidentally” more visually honest the other night ...


90 posted on 09/30/2012 6:50:19 PM PDT by Spacetrucker (Sorry, folks, give my spot in the handbasket to an angry lib >:))
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To: untwist

Thank you!


91 posted on 09/30/2012 7:08:05 PM PDT by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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To: RaceBannon

And thank you!


92 posted on 09/30/2012 7:09:10 PM PDT by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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To: kristinn

In the rest of the show, they spoke to Brian Terry’s mother and Jaime Zapata’s father. Both feel very betrayed and Mrs. Terry can’t understand why the government can’t tell them the truth. Zapata’s father, in LA, can’t understand how the government gave guns to the enemy that were used to kill his son.

Also spoke to an ATF agent who told Univision that he knew guns were going into the hands of gangsters but he was told not to arrest them. Spoke to another 2 guys who were essentially handcuffed in doing anything about this. Also spoke to Darrell Issa who spoke of the frustration of getting information on the investigation.

It is a glaring ommission that there was no mention at all of Eric Holder or Lanny Breuer. Lots of details about the Phoenix ATF office and how they essentially enabled knowingly the gunrunning. All the dates and events addressed are from 2009 and on, all on Obama’s watch. They are having a follow up report next week. Perhaps they will get to Holder. In all this is a damning report on our government. Will Spanish-speaking Americans pin this on Obama? Don’t know, but there is nothing good in this for Obama.


93 posted on 09/30/2012 7:31:31 PM PDT by untwist
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To: RaceBannon

Muchas gracias. Vaya con dios.


94 posted on 09/30/2012 7:54:17 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: VRWCarea51

Univision: Doing the reporting that the English-language media won’t do.


95 posted on 09/30/2012 8:34:47 PM PDT by nthaler
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To: kristinn

Media says “but how about Romney’s 47% remark!”


96 posted on 09/30/2012 8:38:51 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: untwist

Thank you, again.


97 posted on 09/30/2012 8:56:19 PM PDT by kristinn (Dump the Chump in 2012)
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To: kristinn

Thank you, Mr. Kristinn for all the good you do. I know you are in D.C. My eldest son is now in D.C. and is working day and night on the Romney / Ryan campaign. He just got back from a very successful Ryan event in NH, and is prepping to hit the road again. We are all in this together!


98 posted on 09/30/2012 9:05:57 PM PDT by untwist
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To: kristinn

Sweet! Thanks, Kristinn.
Bookmarking.


99 posted on 09/30/2012 9:36:58 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("Liberalism is about as progressive as CANCER" -Alfonzo Rachel)
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To: kristinn

Fox should interveiw reporters from Univision.
Actually, they should give them a half hour time slot.
Replace Shlep Smith.


100 posted on 10/01/2012 8:18:34 AM PDT by Leep
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