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Ryder Cup 2012: Europe beat USA after record comeback
BBC Sport ^ | 1st October 2012 | Tom Fordyce

Posted on 09/30/2012 5:42:19 PM PDT by the scotsman

'Europe's golfers produced a stunning final-day comeback to win the Ryder Cup at a shell-shocked Medinah.

With the United States requiring only four points from the 12 on offer, Europe somehow secured eight and a half to clinch a historic 14½-13½ win.

Martin Kaymer sank a five-foot putt on the 18th green to get his team to the 14 points needed to retain the trophy, before a Tiger Woods bogey in the final match gifted them overall victory.

The win matches the record recovery of Ben Crenshaw's US team in Boston in 1999 and is the best from a European side in the Ryder Cup.

It was a fitting tribute to the late Seve Ballesteros, the man who did so much to reinvigorate the competition and whose trademark colours the side wore on the final day.'

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Illinois; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: chat; sports

1 posted on 09/30/2012 5:42:23 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Welcome to Obama’s America. Collapse!


2 posted on 09/30/2012 5:42:59 PM PDT by scbison
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To: the scotsman

17 and 18 were a nightmare all day. The Euros capitalized.


3 posted on 09/30/2012 5:44:53 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: the scotsman

Tiger sucks.


4 posted on 09/30/2012 5:46:03 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: dfwgator

Tiger = Obama


5 posted on 09/30/2012 5:47:18 PM PDT by GnL
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To: the scotsman

Unbelievable, just incredible.

What a comeback, Europe deserve the victory for that immense last day charge. The Americans didnt know what hit them and most of the US team just went to pieces.


6 posted on 09/30/2012 5:47:57 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

The perfect microcosm of Obama’s America. Seems now that only successful US athletes are the women.


7 posted on 09/30/2012 5:49:14 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: nhwingut

The Euros went for the jugular and the US team just melted.
They seem to have thought they’d already won it and the pressure went against them unlike the first two days.

Game wise, the US putting was by and large awful. Furyk took forever to putt and still put them all wide or short.


8 posted on 09/30/2012 5:50:31 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

Couldn’t believe how badly Stricker missed that long putt on 18. He just totally misread it.


9 posted on 09/30/2012 5:52:37 PM PDT by IndyTiger
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To: the scotsman; jessduntno; onedoug; cincinnati65; PISANO; IonImplantGuru; Rummyfan; Aussie Dasher; ..
GOLF PING:

This was hard to watch. They always said there would never be another come from behind win like Brookline. But, Ian Poulter set the stage with his play and enthusiasm yesterday.

I really felt bad for Stricker and Furyk today, but win or lose - it's a team event and they don't own the loss any more than Martin Kaymer owns the Cup.

10 posted on 09/30/2012 5:55:25 PM PDT by Baynative
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To: Baynative

The loss is on Tiger....he was the only one that sucked while the US got their big lead.


11 posted on 09/30/2012 5:57:37 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: the scotsman

who does Obama blame....Bush or the movie? (snark)


12 posted on 09/30/2012 6:00:07 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: the scotsman

Congratulations to the European Team! A well-earned victory...to be commended!


13 posted on 09/30/2012 6:00:09 PM PDT by Mean Maryjean
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To: dfwgator
Tiger folded like a wet dishrag in the whole Ryder Cup.
14 posted on 09/30/2012 6:02:37 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: dfwgator

Tiger and Stricker played eight matches in all and scored 1/2 point. Unbelievable.


15 posted on 09/30/2012 6:04:13 PM PDT by IndyTiger
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To: Mean Maryjean

Cheers.

I dont mind losing to America, when you have gentlemen like Love and Mickelson in your team. The US fans can be obnoxious and unsporting. But the team plays with class.


16 posted on 09/30/2012 6:05:15 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

Yep. Furyk took way too much time. He’s had bad luck all year, though.

But Furyk and Stricker were placed at the backend for a reason - it was supposed to be over by then. They were throw aways. It was the big boys up front who gagged, and left them with all the pressure.


17 posted on 09/30/2012 6:05:30 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: Baynative
I really felt bad for Stricker and Furyk today <<

Me too...especially Furyk....Have met him at a few events and he's always the last to leave the autograph seekers and goes out of his way to talk to kids....A Class act....but he just cant handle pressure well...

18 posted on 09/30/2012 6:06:31 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: jazusamo

Somebody should’ve told Tiger that “Women weaken legs.”


19 posted on 09/30/2012 6:08:26 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: the scotsman
with the United States requiring only four points from the 12 on offer, ...

that should be 14 and a half points.
20 posted on 09/30/2012 6:08:57 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama -> Ransom "Rance" Stoddard)
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To: the scotsman

Epic USA choke.


21 posted on 09/30/2012 6:09:36 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: the scotsman

The U.S. led 10 to 6 at yesterday’s close, after all the matches with two players from each team.

Today, in the singles matches the U.S. won just three more while the Europeans won eight, giving the Europeans a 14 to 13 lead, before the close of the last match - Tiger Woods vs F. Molinari.

Before the 18th hole, Tiger was “1 Up” over Molinari. Molinari won the 18th hole, and so each was awarded “1/2”, making the final team scores 14 1/2 for Europe and 13 1/2 for the U.S.

What I don’t understand about the rules was they kept repeating (the TV nnoucners), that even if Tiger managed to win the 18th hole, making the U.S. team score of 14 wins, that the rules would still reward the cup to Europe.

Maybe someone can tell me why the outcome would not have been different if Tiger had won the 8th hole in the last match, converting his “1 up” score to “2 up” and a clear win of his match with Molinari. I’m guessing there are no “tie breakers” in the Ryder Cup, and whoever gets the magic 14+ wins first is the winner?

Does anyone know why Europe had won the cup, once they had 14 wins, and whether not a win by Tiger would have made it 14 wins for the U.S.?


22 posted on 09/30/2012 6:10:00 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: dfwgator

Tiger shot 5 under on the back nine in both fourball matches. That is not really bad. If Stricker had given him any help, they could have won.


23 posted on 09/30/2012 6:10:16 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Wuli

The Europeans are the current holders of the cup. In the case of a tie, they retain it. You have to beat the cup holder outright to take it away.


24 posted on 09/30/2012 6:12:13 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: the scotsman; All

Wonder if we will hear our politically correct sports media kiss Tiger’s behind, like they always do

Tired of all the golf coverage. It is a game, not a sport. Carry your own clubs


25 posted on 09/30/2012 6:12:42 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: Wuli

Defending champ only needs 14.


26 posted on 09/30/2012 6:13:21 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: Mean Maryjean
Dittos. Well played by the Euros who never quit. I'd have rather a win by our guys, most of whom I like, but a thrilling suspenseful show is foremost. This was all that and more. Wow. 5 hours on the edge of my seat, hoping one of our guys would rise to the occasion, but few did.

Then, out here in the West we had the undefeated Cardiac Cards pulling off more miracles. I can't take much more of this.

27 posted on 09/30/2012 6:17:56 PM PDT by chiller (First check the poll's Dem/Rep/Ind sampling numbers, then re-think.)
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To: M-cubed

Yup, Furyk can’t handle pressure at all./s
16 tour wins. $52,000,000. in career earnings.
Golf much?


28 posted on 09/30/2012 6:27:21 PM PDT by bramps
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To: proxy_user

“The Europeans are the current holders of the cup. In the case of a tie, they retain it. You have to beat the cup holder outright to take it away.”

Thanks. I never heard the NBC announcers repeat that simple rule - I just keep hearing them say Europe would win the cup as soon as they had 14 wins, no matter what happened in any unfinished matches.

You should have been in the announcers booth.


29 posted on 09/30/2012 6:32:25 PM PDT by Wuli
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NOT including this years Ryder Cup

Most LOSSES for USA in Ryder Cup competition?

Phil Mickelson, 17
Raymond Floyd, 16
Jim Furyk, 15
Tiger Woods, 14
Davis Love III, 12
Curtis Strange, 12
Lanny Wadkins, 11


30 posted on 09/30/2012 6:37:09 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: scbison

The only collapse greater, is what the Texas Rangers are about to do.


31 posted on 09/30/2012 6:58:45 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: bramps

Golf much? <<

LMAO....evidently more then you if u can’t recognize the “yips”


32 posted on 09/30/2012 7:02:49 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: SeminoleCounty
carry your own damned clubs!...LMAO...Now that's classic!
33 posted on 09/30/2012 7:13:53 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: dfwgator

Stricker deserves more blame, IMO; but both were disappointing. I don’t think the USA will win the cup again any time soon. I doubt I’ll watch it next time.


34 posted on 09/30/2012 7:22:30 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: dfwgator
Nah, they held on...actually hoping for this tomorrow...


35 posted on 09/30/2012 7:28:57 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: SeminoleCounty
Tired of all the golf coverage.

Odd, therefore, that you affirmatively sought out a thread (on golf) to express such sentiments.

Grow up. Mature, stable adults don't "level."

36 posted on 09/30/2012 7:33:32 PM PDT by DSH
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To: dfwgator
The loss is on Tiger....he was the only one that sucked while the US got their big lead.

If you watched the matches, Tiger gets a B, Stricker gets an F.

In 4 ball, Stricker and Woods played together twice and lost both matches 1 up with Woods getting 13 birdies in 2 matches and Stricker getting 1 eagle and 1 birdie in 2 matches. Stricker was 0-4. Woods was 0-3-1. The real problem was Woods got stuck with Stricker for 3 pairings.

Ok, maybe Woods should have gotten 17 birdies in 2 matches and then Woods would be 2-1-1 and Stricker would have been 2-2-0.

37 posted on 09/30/2012 9:21:22 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: the scotsman

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/rydercup/9577684/Ryder-Cup-2012-Investigation-after-American-fans-abuse-Europes-players-wives-and-late-captain-Seve-Ballesteros.html


38 posted on 09/30/2012 10:36:03 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: proxy_user
Tiger shot 5 under on the back nine in both fourball matches.

Yes, but where was he on the front nine? All over the place and his birdies on the back nine were too little too late.

Tiger's contribution: Wins 0, Losses 3, Ties 1.

And you say that is really not bad? Puhleese!

39 posted on 10/01/2012 12:07:10 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: M-cubed
but he[Furyk] just cant handle pressure well...

One of my friends said that 5-Hour Energy just makes you bald.

40 posted on 10/01/2012 9:14:59 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Baynative; freedom1st; frithguild; ColdOne; word_warrior_bob; 21stCenturion; Ted; Dinah Lord; ...
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41 posted on 10/01/2012 9:22:04 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: stylin19a

Actually we went into Sunday with 10 points, so we needed 4 1/2 more to win.


42 posted on 10/01/2012 9:30:06 AM PDT by bcsco (Bourbon gets better with age...I age better with Bourbon.)
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To: M-cubed

I’ll type slowly so you understand. The ‘yips’ and no nerves are bad things in golf, making winning virtually impossible. By definition a golfer with 16 PGA tour wins (including last years FedEx cup) does not suffer from these maladies. You don’t have to be good at golf to understand that, it only requires being good at logic.


43 posted on 10/01/2012 11:10:11 AM PDT by bramps
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To: bcsco

zactly..thanks for the correction. I knew there had to be a half in there somewhere. Wondered about it specially coming from the BBC


44 posted on 10/01/2012 12:47:35 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama -> Ransom "Rance" Stoddard)
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To: scbison

Tiger, Jim Furyk, and Steve Stricker totalled one point I believe. Ugh... Hate to lose to the Euros, but the USA holds two of the four major titles for 2012 (Bubba Watson: Master’s; Webb Simpson: US Open).


45 posted on 10/02/2012 4:56:58 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: bramps
I’ll type slowly so you understand. The ‘yips’ and no nerves are bad things in golf, making winning virtually impossible. By definition a golfer with 16 PGA tour wins (including last years FedEx cup) does not suffer from these maladies. You don’t have to be good at golf to understand that, it only requires being good at logic.

Furyk looks to me to definitely have the "yips" and he has problems closing out tournaments. He had the U.S. Open in hand before shanking one into the woods that barely went 100 yards. Yes, he did win a lot in the past, and he won the Fedex 2 years ago (last year's winner was Bill Haas, not Furyk). All golfers eventually succumb to pressure and the yips, otherwise they'd excel into later age. Vijay Singh was winning a lot into his 40's before the yips got him. A belly putter has not quite cured him of it yet. And remember that Furyk was a captain's pick. He did not do well to qualify on his own. Jack Nicklaus, Nick Faldo and other veterans have commented about how the yips become much more prevalent with age.

46 posted on 10/02/2012 8:09:58 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Sans-Culotte
I don't get to discuss such things often but I just wanted to mention that (and I am a big fan of him and know nothing more than anyone else) Vijay stopped winning the same year that they instituted drug testing. They always talked about how he was the hardest worker on tour with seemingly unlimited energy before and after rounds. Just made me wonder.
47 posted on 10/02/2012 10:27:15 AM PDT by bramps
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To: bramps
I'm a bit of a fan of Vijay's as well, probably because he won so much after age 40. And I think he has a really elegant swing. However, I think his decline is age-related. The drug-testing started in 2007. Vijay went on to win the Fedex cup in 2008. His decline started right around then as he was hitting age 45 or so. Kenny Perry comes to mind as well, as a guy who was going gangbusters, and then he hit a brick wall. Somewhere in the 45-50 range it seems that PGA golfers start to lose it (the yips?). On the plus side, they usually start winning everything when they hit the Champions tour.

I hope Jim Furyk rebounds next year. I've pulled for him many times, but I really was hoping Love would not pick him for the Ryder team. I don't know if Jim's issues this year are physical or mental. Maybe it's both. I think that choke in the U.S. Open this year was like Phil's at Winged Foot. It seems to have affected his play from then on out.

48 posted on 10/02/2012 12:28:41 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Sans-Culotte
I'm going to have to send future golf posts thru you first for editing. Appreciate the info. I'm a giant fan both watching and playing but haven't been able to play much due to this wonderful economy.
49 posted on 10/02/2012 5:19:05 PM PDT by bramps
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