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57 Previously Undiscovered Fast and Furious Guns Used in Mexican Crimes (Univision)
ABC News Univision ^ | Sunday, September 30, 2012 | Gerardo Reyes and Santiago Wills

Posted on 09/30/2012 6:03:12 PM PDT by kristinn

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To: TigersEye

And I thought you said there was no mention of the strategies used.


51 posted on 09/30/2012 9:44:16 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: MurrietaMadman
Was there any mention of using straw buyers? No. Was there any mention of letting them cross the border? No. Was there any mention that they wouldn't follow the guns or smugglers in any way? No. Was there any mention that no Mexican LE would be notified? No.

None of the things that make F&F wrong and lethal were mentioned. No operational names were mentioned either so no proof of anything directly tying 0bama, Holder or Napolitano there.

52 posted on 09/30/2012 9:53:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

I think you lost track of the argument.

Your original message stated: Sara: That would make sense - if Mexico had been told of Fast and Furious. The problem with that idea is that Mexico was not told and therefore could not consent (or, for that matter, track the weapons).

I provided a link to Calderone saying enough on April 16, 2009 to prove he, the head of the Mexican government, knew about Obama’s intention to track weapons just about the time the murders in Mexico took off to new levels.

You’re saying that because the president of Mexico didn’t mention straw buyers in a public address, all that he did say, and he did mention tracking weapons, failed to make you suspect that he, therefore Mexico, didn’t have the teensiest idea of the Fast and Furious plan?

Are you saying Calderone was duped? If so, let us know how you reached that conclusion. Tomorrow.

I’m going to bed.


53 posted on 09/30/2012 10:28:00 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: MurrietaMadman
Shat I'm saying couldn't be more obvious. Mexican LE was never informed of smugglers crossing the border with guns. And nothing in the video is "proof" that 0bama knew about what F&F was doing or Calderon either. I think he did but the video doesn't prove anything.

On the other hand maybe I am all wrong and you should get a hold of Issa ASAP and tell him you found the proof.

54 posted on 09/30/2012 10:35:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye
Shat = What

That was an unfortunate typo. lol

55 posted on 09/30/2012 10:50:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: butterdezillion

True.


56 posted on 09/30/2012 11:52:49 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: kristinn
So ABC is reduced to reporting the Univision news.

How far they have fallen.

57 posted on 10/01/2012 4:21:56 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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Your DOJ like insistence that Mexico was never informed of smugglers crossing the borders with guns is approaching a level of absurdity the democrats own.

Earlier you based your belief on sworn ATF testimony. You might want to keep in mind the ATF is downstream of Holder, who, correct me if I’m wrong, was censured by Congress for contempt based on his obstructive testimony.

Now I’m going to deflect to the definition of proof since you appear to think my earlier statement about the Calderone video is reason for ridicule.

Proof is anything that can be used to establish a fact. I believe what Calderone said in that video is proof of his knowlege that the WH/DOJ scheme was in place.

You, it appears, are confusing my use of the term proof with the legal definition of evidence.

It’s unlikely Senator Grassley nor Congressman Issa need my input.

Your assertion to SaraJohnson that Mexico was uninformed, however, required some discussion. Thanks for creating the opportunity to reinforce the idea of international collusion.

I’m off to work now so further replies, if needed, won’t happen until tomorrow


58 posted on 10/01/2012 9:03:16 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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You, it appears, are confusing my use of the term proof with the legal definition of evidence.

Silly me. LOL

59 posted on 10/01/2012 11:11:59 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: SaraJohnson

Who said you were born yesterday?


60 posted on 10/01/2012 2:03:25 PM PDT by gaijin
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