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What A Self professed Moderate Believes (Hold Your Nose)
E-mail ^ | Sept 2012

Posted on 09/30/2012 8:23:03 PM PDT by robowombat

These are my very sincere personal reasons for having no current intention to vote for Mr. Romney in November. I post this because I 'went off' at another thread because of my love for OUR country and contentions there by a Poster still that our President is a Muslim and supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood. That level of absurd rhetoric and direct lying continues to create Divides instead of Common Grounds, and totally on purpose. That is not acceptable in a free country.

In stating these, I preface by saying quite clearly that I do not believe at ALL that the Democratic Party has all, or even necessarily most, of the right, or optimum answers, policies, or ideas.

But I demand cooperation and compromise, and see, still, absolutely no desire,even, from the GOP for compromise. That is arrogant, especially with the recent track record during the prior 2 GOP Administrations. The Parties need each other, period, because it is well proven that NEITHER has the optimum answers alone.


When that becomes clear to All, we will move forward again...together.

1.We are in wartime. We are normally very averse to changing leadership during wartime. Given the extreme nature of certain elements of the GOP and the history of Mr. Bush, I see nothing at all 'better' about Mr. Romney internationally and am impressed with the rise in our international 'status' again under Mr. Obama and I approve of his actions in Pakistan re Bin Laden, in Libya, and in staying out of Syria for now. I'm not certain how I feel about Afghanistan and I am perfectly ready and willing to continue to listen to all pleas and plans for more immediate withdrawal from there.

Our current President has built and re-built international relationships absolutely obliterated by the Bush Administration. I have no reason to believe Mr. Romney will continue that nor any reason to change from the President whose Admin has accomplished that in a rather remarkably short timeframe given that our international approval rating was at its lowest ever by 2008.

Whether some of you like it or not, that international cooperation is absolutely essential in the modern global world and will become absolutely more essential in the coming years. The days of 1950 are over; the U.S. cannot choose its own path only, world-wide. Cooperation is required if for no other reason than that we cannot DO IT alone.

2.The base of the GOP has always been its Moderates, a 'center-right' leaning, if you will. And that is the base for which I voted until 2004. However, the extreme elements of the GOP that have arisen in the past dozen years and seem to be getting worse, are the most harmful elements in the United States to our own future. Again, these are all my OPINIONS, not to be blasted as 'socialist' or any other label or term.

Note that I did not say that many things the tea party (when it becomes a party, the words get capitalized) is trumpeting are wrong; it is their approach and methods and expressed hatreds that I denounce. It is not proper, fair, nor accurate to continue to label our President as a 'socialist'. Neither he nor the Democratic Party are 'the enemy'.

While of course these groups are not supported by most of the GOP voters, it IS documented fact that the violence created by extremist groups such as white supremacists is on the rise; literally those groups have risen in number a few hundred times over what they were and those groups number far more variety than merely white supremacists.

This should upset and frighten all of us, given what we all see elsewhere in the world when violence erupts inside a country.

Violence within our own Country against our own Citizens is not a Solution, and does count as treasonous behavior, and suggestions of revolution and the rise in these violent groups can generally be traced to those we all would call 'right-wing' extremists. Those are not elements from the thinking of the Democratic Party, which is certainly not 'right-wing'. Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are hate-mongers who fit into this element.

3.Compromise is the key to our government working. The GOP has refused, far more than the Democrats, to cooperate at all for the past 4 years, and Mr. McConnell's statement remains in bold-face type in many Citizens' minds, that the major goal of the GOP from 2008-2012 was to insure that Mr. Obama is a one-term President. He and his Party have certainly followed that credo for 4 years, paralyzing our government, all while offering nothing of substance in counterpoint, merely anti-Democratic rhetoric.

4.Health Care Reform has long been needed in this country. Costs are too high, and pre-existing conditions prevented coverage before for millions of Americans, among other ills of the past system.

Hillary Clinton (her political party is of NO importance here!) was squashed like a bug in 1992 when she initiated health care reform efforts and that squashing was not led by the Democrats. Nothing happened for reform in the Bush years, 2000-2008. And then the GOP absolutely and totally refused to even discuss the matter, even though the current reform includes many of the GOP's own thoughts from the past and even after Mr. Obama offered to take the entire PLAN off the table and engage in PUBLIC discussions.

The GOP refused. That shows no desire for cooperation and no concern with health care reform that was required and still is. The facts are that literally millions of Americans are now receiving care they would not have received before. It boggles my mind that so many seem to ignore that.

I am not at ALL saying I believe that 'government control' or mandates re health care is my method of choice, but something had to be done, and something was done, despite the GOP.

Could it/would it be better if there had been cooperation from the GOP? Undoubtedly.

5.The financial bailouts have had varying degrees of success/failure, to date. However, Detroit is quite happy and so is the U.S. auto industry, at least. The banks and financial institutions continue to run somewhat amok; I am not willing to have them sink on the 'principle' that the Federal Government should not become involved when its citizens need help. Again, something had to be done, and something was done, again over the refusal of the GOP to help.

Would cooperation and compromise, again, have led to better solutions? Quite likely, sure.

6.I am very much impressed and happy when leaders from either Party show flexibility; however, Mr. Romney's very clear history is one of what, IMHO, must be characterized more as 'waffling' than flexible, i.e. blowing with the political wind rather than him being a man of certain convictions.

7.Taxation Laws in this country are arcane, confusing, slanted, and ridiculous. We all know that. Yes, I am an advocate of a simple, flat tax and (speaking of smaller government) essentially the total elimination of the Internal Revenue Service and all the infernal sub-groups that spend wasted employment doing nothing productive, but merely adminstrating a system that can be stream-lined quite easily and needs to be..... but that is not important here.

What is important is that those below the level of 'rich' continue to pay a higher percentage of their wages and income in taxes than the rich do. This clearly robs us all of billions of dollars in tax revenue. The Rich and their unfair tax breaks are being supported by the GOP.

Simply put, it is not in ANY way 'fair and equitable' to have lower tax rates for those who make more money and income!

I see absolutely no reason for the cap on Social Security contributions at $110,000 income, and removal of that cap would generate more BILLIONS in revenue to SAVE that Social Security system, but, again, that is another issue.

But the GOP staunchly refuses to even discuss taxing the wealthy at a higher, fairer rate than currently. This to me is absurd, and the 'investment in business will go down' argument is poppycock perpetrated by the Rich who unfairly and greedily wish to have more, more, more with no concern that Others get less when that happens.

The TRUE base of our country, the 'working people', are squeezed more and more and more every year, and this is neither fair nor anything but disastrous for the future.

8.Energy...this Nation needs to become energy-independent. I have seen far more efforts from the Democratic Party than the GOP to attempt to make this happen. The very philosophies of the GOP seem far more 'in bed' with Big Oil and I have not agreed at all with most GOP positions in terms of their non-efforts toward solar, wind, and nuclear power, let alone ethanol. All they have produced is empty rhetoric while deflecting any and all actual concrete efforts to create new energy sources here that can and will provide new jobs HERE.

I reluctantly agree to more oil-drilling within our own territories; however, I want a cap on that drilling based on a very clear PLAN to wean us eventually from oil, also, but the FIRST priority, IMHO, is to become independent, so if that requires some more drilling here, I will live with that temporarily in order to achieve the first priority which is energy independence.

Once that happens, the Middle East can do as it wishes over there, and we have no further reasons for troops, lives, and monies to be wasted there.

We must become independent and that has never been something touted and worked for by the GOP. I shall leave it to Others to speculate as to how much if any of that refusal to work for alternates is due to Big Oil influences on the GOP.

9.The GOP is purposely attempting to keep legitimate voters from the Polls under the guise of needing an i.d. card to prevent 'voter fraud'. The number of cases of voter fraud is laughingly small (fortunately) and these efforts are not even smokescreens but clearly intended to disenfranchise various minority groups that likely would vote Democratic. I do not care what happened in the past, I am centering on the ridiculous idea of pushing this concept through in a very few months; likely, I have no problem with the I.D. at all as long as that is phased in and not forced in so that the GOP can win the White House.

10.Mr. Obama was a rookie. All too many of his top people were rookies. I see nothing of 'leadership' in Ms. Pelosi, some in Mr. Reid, but neither of them have been able to bridge divides either and come across quite negatively often. Some of Mr. Obama's people had to be replaced, some of his initial ideas and methods were not efficient.

And as I made quite clear in his first year, I disagreed strongly with the concentration on the health care issue in that first year, at the expense of so many other areas not being able to be attacked that needed solutions also.

Had the GOP cooperated in Health Care Reform, however, they all could have moved on far faster than in year Two to attempt TOGETHER to solve more problems.

After 4 years, however, my preference is to continue what at least has been some progress because I happen to believe in Mr. Obama's international approach far more than a strict hard-line, militaristic one. He has proven he has the courage to make the Big Decisions. I have no reason, based on what he has said, that Mr. Romney would be nearly as efficient nor able to work with the very complex series of inter-laced situations and peoples and world situations. I want to build on the new relationships, not destroy them or have to start over yet again, internationally.

We NEED international cooperation, period.

Those are my feelings as of today. I am not at all 'against' the GOP, nor anti-GOP.

My complaint is that the Party for whom I voted rather consistently until 2004 has become controlled not by its Moderate Base but by its right-wing elements and that limiting the thinking and policies to such right-wing solutions only is not what will work in 2012 and indeed what would harm us for years.

That is my single most over-riding reason, maybe, to strongly desire NOT to vote for a Group that I see as far too limited in thinking and scope, far too inflexible, and far too full of itself with no track record of its own success.

Those elements have a very narrow view of the world, and of our country, and all too many have a problem with the current and growing non-Caucasian make-up of our Nation. They must live with it, not attempt to change it, for it is no one's fault that non-Caucasian births outnumber Caucasian births.

It is not 1950, but that ultra right-wing element seems to wish nothing but return to 1950 and its policies. I shall ignore for the moment that the Civil Rights act was not passed until 1964, and what that alone says about the 1950 mentality.

We have grown to a Nation with 300,000,000 Citizens who are more diverse in make-up than ever; a melting pot we have continued to be.

Each and every one must be considered equally, and on that there can be no compromise.

Bigotry against ANY group of our Equal Citizens cannot be tolerated, no matter how it is couched, and while the word 'bigotry' is quite a strong one and not to be thrown out lightly, IMHO there are far more examples of various sorts of racial and ethnic bigotry among the ultra right-wingers of the GOP than anywhere in the Democratic Party.

One Citizen, one vote. That is who we are, no matter the make-up of our Citizenry. Again, there can be no compromise on that basic Principle of the United States of America.

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I got this from a generally sane and intelligent acquaintance who considers themself a 'moderate Republican' it was titled "Why I Will Vote for Mr. Obama". I sent a short reply that the state of the economy ought prove BHO is a failure of historic porportions. I forebare saying may of the things we know are implicit in his regime. What is unsettling is the ranting about 'right wing extremists' taking over the GOP and the acceptance of something as massive and with the potential for bossing people around that the socalled health care reform is. This is what many 'moderates ' belive i have sadly concluded. It is going to be a long war folks.
1 posted on 09/30/2012 8:23:06 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

She is painfully stupid.

2 posted on 09/30/2012 8:25:33 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: robowombat

Moderates who support Obama are like moderates who support Islam.

They’re not moderate about anything.

3 posted on 09/30/2012 8:26:38 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: robowombat

This does not come from a “moderate center-right Republican”, nor even from a RINO; instead it comes from a full-blown Liberal Democrat.

Either that or satire.

4 posted on 09/30/2012 8:27:11 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: robowombat
Next time you communicate with this acquaintance, advise him that having " very sincere personal reasons" for doing something doesn't mean jack squat when you are wrong. Tell him Stalin was "very sincere in his personal reasons" too.
5 posted on 09/30/2012 8:29:05 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: robowombat

“One Citizen, one vote”....EXCEPT, if they are military members being DENIED their vote by Leon Panetta.

Why don’t you respond to your little marxist flower child acquaintance about the disenfranchisement of the people making sure she/he is safe?

I’d LOVE to hear her/his reply.

6 posted on 09/30/2012 8:30:18 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: robowombat
Your "friend" is a mush headed moron easily manipulated by the mainstream media. He appears to be more concerned with what a few so-called "right wing extremists" have said about Obama than what Obama has actually done to the country.

He should get robbed and beaten up by some minority urban youth seeking to bypass the big government middleman some dark night. I hope he doesn't get hurt too bad, but enough to knock some sense into him. I'm afraid he will obtain this education in no other way.

7 posted on 09/30/2012 8:30:46 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: robowombat
generally sane and intelligent acquaintance

Bad judgment. Very sincerely, bad judgment. This guy/gal is a kool-aid addict. Not worth a second thought.

8 posted on 09/30/2012 8:31:18 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard ain’t a “him”.
Only scorned women are this dull.

9 posted on 09/30/2012 8:31:32 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: robowombat

Your friend is delusional and an enemy of the Republic.

10 posted on 09/30/2012 8:32:12 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: acapesket

Probably right. In which case:

Every Vote For Obama Comes With Your Choice (size) Of A Burqa!!!!(some assembly required—removal of brain matter prior to donning.)

11 posted on 09/30/2012 8:34:45 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: robowombat

Whatever they call themselves, they are expressing democrat talking points straight down the line. And if Romney dosn’t please them, what repub would?
That alone exposes their lie.

12 posted on 09/30/2012 8:35:31 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: robowombat

Whoever wrote this was never a Republican, just some liberal pretending to have once been a Republican. It’s a pretty standard RAT meme. Libs use it all the time.

13 posted on 09/30/2012 8:35:40 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: acapesket

“She is painfully stupid.”

I’ll second that emotion. Thinks the Dems don’t have the right answers to our problems but is ticked off with the GOP for not compromising with them.

14 posted on 09/30/2012 8:37:49 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: NTHockey
I second that. A real Republican might not want to vote for Romney, but there's no way they'd vote for Obama, especially not this second term.
15 posted on 09/30/2012 8:38:27 PM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: cripplecreek

They have read what you have said and now they are just Trolling you Cripple.

16 posted on 09/30/2012 8:39:10 PM PDT by KC_Lion ( Wherever I find myself standing, I forever stand with Israel.)
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To: robowombat

We don’t need “International Cooperation”. We also know by now that we’re never going to get it. I don’t mind if our enemies throughout the world hate us, and they do... I want the world to once again respect us, and wherever necessary, fear us. Or are we only supposed to be afraid of them now as we watch our “leaders” apologize over and over again?

17 posted on 09/30/2012 8:39:17 PM PDT by NewJerseyGOP
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To: robowombat

This screed describes a Democrat, not a Moderate Republican.
This is the classic RINO.
A Big Government, afraid to declare what is right and wrong, confused about wants/needs and the Constitution, unable to differentiate between the proper roles of government RINO!
The Conservative movement is thriving, growing and getting stronger everyday.
This relic of the past will be left behind with Bob Michael, base-line budgeting, the Departments of Education & HHS, the EPA, FED and about 40% of federal employees (uniformed military excepted).

18 posted on 09/30/2012 8:41:12 PM PDT by Macoozie (1) Win the Senate 2) Repeal Obamacare 3) Impeach Roberts)
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To: robowombat

This “so-called moderate” would probably vote for Ahmadinejad.
And for the record, Obama is a Muslim. This is a fact. He lived as a Muslim during his childhood and you cannot renounce your faith in Islam, or you become an apostate, (in which case he would have been killed when he went on his apology tour).
He is an active supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood. He brought them to power after getting rid of long-time ally Hosni Mubarak. Please educate this woman, because she’s either lying about being moderate, or is just stupid.

19 posted on 09/30/2012 8:43:53 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: robowombat

Moderate? as compared to what?

20 posted on 09/30/2012 8:49:33 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE
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