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Letter to my Bishop on Faithful Citizenship
Vanity | 10/1/12 | pgyanke

Posted on 10/01/2012 10:04:20 AM PDT by pgyanke

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To: teflon9

Does a spouse give you away after 18 years to go start a new life? This argument is ridiculous!


21 posted on 10/01/2012 11:49:25 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

I think your letter is well written and not disrespectful at all. Alot of these Bishops need to get off the “social justice” issues, which are insignificant compared to the intrinsic evils being forced upon us by the current administration. My parish priest has spoken out avidly these past weeks about what is at stake in this election (he has a spine)!


22 posted on 10/01/2012 12:13:46 PM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: Gerish

Glad to hear it!


23 posted on 10/01/2012 12:28:46 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
I’m trying to change that. Half of their flocks are listening to the Democratic propaganda machine in forming their consciences. Either the Bishops get a handle on this or they will eventually lose their congregations (and those poor souls).

If I hear one more bishop speak about the "poor", I will scream. If you live in Obama's version of the US, there is no need to be poor. The handouts are flowing to everyone, including "Obama" phones (I don't even have a cell phone but am paying for those of the "poor"). Despite all the give aways, We've all seen the abuse of these gifts, paid for with our hard earned taxes - people cashing in food stamps for facials, alcohol, stereos and even elective surgery. What will it take to wake up these bishops?!

24 posted on 10/01/2012 1:28:47 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
If I hear one more bishop speak about the "poor", I will scream. If you live in Obama's version of the US, there is no need to be poor. The handouts are flowing to everyone, including "Obama" phones (I don't even have a cell phone but am paying for those of the "poor"). Despite all the give aways, We've all seen the abuse of these gifts, paid for with our hard earned taxes - people cashing in food stamps for facials, alcohol, stereos and even elective surgery. What will it take to wake up these bishops?!

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I don't know. I may be wrong, but this oversolicitous attitude seems more involved with vanity than sympathy.

25 posted on 10/01/2012 3:04:03 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer
Oy. I worded that badly. I meant that the attitude of the bishops is oversolicitous and vain.

No criticism of you, NYer. I agree with your post.

26 posted on 10/01/2012 3:18:13 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: pgyanke

Why do we have altar girls when the Vatican GIRM states firmly “acolytes?” Democrats and the liberals and feminazzis


27 posted on 10/01/2012 3:46:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: pgyanke

Here’s the link:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20030317_ordinamento-messale_en.html


28 posted on 10/01/2012 3:48:14 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: pgyanke

This election cycle the US bishops did more than they ordinarily do: there was a firm stand taken on the HHS mandate.

However, you and I know that roughly 50% of US Catholics will vote Democrat. A swing has historically been about %5 either way; there is no reason to expect a swing for Romney this season; in fact, we should probably expect a swing for Obama, given Romney’s inability to voice social concerns.

The real question is not “Why don’t the bishops tell the Catholics to support the GOP candidates?” The questions are:

- Why are at least 45% voting against basic Catholic teaching on the value of human life? This is where the responsibility of the bishops is, and they failed it decades ago, when this electorate was formed.
- What is exactly, the basis for believing that Romney — or in fact the bulk of GOP establishment candidates — will do anything about stopping abortion (or any other social issue) in America? The most GOP candidates that survived the primary season all have bent over and grabbed their ankles to AVOID social issues, and Romney is the chief weasel-master; those Republicans that took a firm pro-life positions are under attack ...from the GOP. To attract Catholics to conservative ideas was the responsibility of the so-called conservatives in the GOP and they failed it.

What we have now is shaking the fists after the fight is over. A more realistic goal today is to rebuild a conservative base somewhere for years, and perhaps for the next generation, to come. There is nothing good that will come of this generation of conservative leaders, no matter what happens in November. The Tea Party had a better year in 2010, but that is where the future lies. If this system is to have a future, let’s grow the Tea Party and count the establishment GOP among the problems.


29 posted on 10/01/2012 6:29:13 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: pgyanke

After six years of emails and encouragements, I received my first email response from my bishop:

“I am grateful for your assurance of prayerful support as we work together to bring our holy faith and the teachings of Jesus into the world in which we live. Above all else, we must surrender to God and entrust our lives, work and endeavors to His divine assistance.”

It doesn’t acknowledge my work nor address the issues... but it’s a start. I will endeavor to make this a conversation.


30 posted on 10/02/2012 9:01:07 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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Exactly. As of May 2007, six states – California, Illinois, Maine, Massachusetts, Nevada and Washington – had passed laws requiring pharmacists to fill prescriptions for birth control pills and Plan B. Why did the bishops wait so long to fight this? Procrastination is not a good character trait.
31 posted on 10/02/2012 10:54:02 AM PDT by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: annalex

The tea party won’t help. It’s primary concerns are economic and fiscal. And most Catholics have used birth control some time in their lives, so they’re not going to get too upset if a Catholic pharmacist is forced to dispense birth control or even Plan B, or if a church-owned hospital or university (and most of the latter are Catholic in name only) has to pay indirectly for health insurance that pays for birth control. So maybe this ship already sailed?


32 posted on 10/03/2012 7:41:57 AM PDT by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: teflon9

Tea Party consists of people. The upcoming Romney fiasco with his fiscal-economic campaign hopefully will serve the T-Party a lesson: value conservatism is the cornerstone of all conservatism.

If that lesson gets learned, then the transformation of the political culture started in 2008 mostly on fiscal grounds will become permanent. Otherwise, yeah, the ship has sailed.


33 posted on 10/03/2012 5:14:26 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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