Skip to comments.Fox’s Wallace Snaps at Radio Host: Romney ‘In Trouble,‘
Posted on 10/01/2012 4:47:55 PM PDT by Mozilla
Foxs Chris Wallace apparently is sick of hearing critiques of polls showing Mitt Romney trailing President Obama, and isnt afraid to let a wide audience know it. In a clip captured by Media Matters, Wallace tells radio host Mike Gallagher that criticizing the polls is an example of what he terms craziness, and that no self-respecting pollster weights their polls to make party ID even.
Those comments followed others that said Romney is in trouble and must win the upcoming presidential debate. In fact, he even had some harsh words for Gallagher when the host called out Wallace for thinking theres trouble for Romney and believing the polls.
I actually did some research on this today, which is more than youve done, Wallace said sharply:
Wallaces harsh delivery, coupled with his dismissal of an argument that a number of conservative pundits find persuasive, obviously wont sit well with a number of conservatives trying to maintain optimism in the face of poll margins that increasingly look bad for Romney. However, his attack cuts both ways, as he lays into the mainstream media, saying hes never seen such bias in the mainstream media. However, he apparently doesnt believe the polls are biased in the same way.
He has some evidence for this, in that typically conservative media outlets have shown problematic margins for Romney in recent weeks. Fox News own poll shows Romney trailing Obama by five points nationally, with an NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll showing the same margin. Indeed, even Rasmussen shows Obama ahead by one point.
Update: Some regular listeners of the Mike Gallagher program have pointed out that Wallace is a frequent guest on the program and that Wallace and Gallagher often trade good-natured barbs.
Wallace recently spent his vacation time at George Clooney’s Italian Villa. Need I say more?
who watches chrissie wallace and attaches any importance at all to anything that little dope says ?
I’m an optimist but I don’t wear rose colored glasses.....
For all the noise and examination of the polls and the underlying numbers, Romney still hasn’t closed the sale.....
This is a PROBLEM....
Chris W. just pointed that out.......
If polls are within 5 points going into the election then Romney will win by a wide margin. The undecided vote is not all that undecided and will swing to Mittens. People who are not in the tank totally for Zero are sick and tired of this miserable excuse for a president.
Wallace is progressive as Fox has become progressive.
The media is not our friend.
Turn the TV off and stop subscribing to the newspaper.
Does a talking head make a sound if no one is listening?
The thing is Romney is not in trouble but the USA is.
He’s an effing Democrat like his 60 Minutes Daddy. Always has been. Just been working under cover. I guess the cover is really blown now. If I met him I’d punch him in the jaw.
How sweet it could be on election night. How sweet. MAJOR defeat for the media if Romney pulls this off. We should all pretend to be super down about Romney’s chances just to give the delusionals more false confidence.
But Obama has yet to agree to an interview.
I think Wallace has lost his compass.
I just don't trust this guy!
Tell me again what the polls showed in 2010.
How’ d that recall work out in Wisconsin? Rube!
It was funny to watch all the “experts” wipe the crap off
Their faces after that charade. Yet here they are playing
the same tune.
Chris W pointed out ... what? polls based on oversampled dems. I need more than that and your worthless post
Obama is planning to lie and rely on the liberal moderators to skate on to victory.
Mitt knows this...and plans to use it to his advantage.
As Obama would say "make no mistake"...Mitt must pulls Obama's fat into the fire. He must attack ever so politely and smile as Obama crackles in the flame.
Mitt knows the world hangs in the balance. This is an existential fight...not just an election.
“no self-respecting pollster weights their polls to make party ID even. “
That, of course, is pure b.s.
I happen to know quite a bit about statistical surveying (although, I’ve never done an election poll). There are many potential sources of error. Most media outlets at least know about “sampling error” — or, they at least know enough to report the “margin of error”. Unfortunately, sampling error isn’t the only, or even the most serious threat to the validity of a survey (poll).
“Non-response bias”, and it’s opposite: “voluntary response bias” are common, potentially far more serious than sampling error, and much more difficult to detect or fix. Based on several posts on FR, it appears quite likely that these biases are operating in many polls in this election.
For instance, conservatives are probably more likely to hang up on a pollster — in the belief that the poll won’t be fair. They thus become “non-respondents”, and introduce a “non-response bias” against conservative voting results.
Meanwhile, “progressives” acting in the belief that pollsters are fellow travelers, are more likely than average to respond. They want their views to count; and thus introduce a bias in favour of the liberal candidates. This “voluntary response bias” is almost certainly in play during exit polls. The conservative voter believes his voting record should be kept private; meanwhile, the liberal will saunter past the New Black Panther Party intimidators, and button-hole the hippy with the clip-board. Result? Worthless exit polls.
Contrary to what Wallace says, a “self-respecting” pollster will try to anticipate and resolve these bias problems. In the case of election polling, the pollster should compare known percentages of registered Democrats, Republicans, and independents with the percentages of each in his sample. If these percentages don’t match closely, it’s likely that some sort of response bias is operating. The pollster should try to fix that. One fix (not always the best) is weighting the samples.
Hmmmm.... looks like he is just as tolerant as his daddy.... must be the sorry upbringing....
He’s commie Mike Wallce’s commie son. He’s always been a RAT.
... he must get it from his mom's side of the family ...
Chris "jumped the shark"
The only problem I’m having with the polls is when they show Democrats turning out in greater numbers than 2008.
Now, I don’t think they are going to turn out in equal numbers to ‘08, but it’s a plausible benchmark. But greater numbers? I think that is just a bad assumption to make.
It’s not like they’ve never been wrong before.
Hey, you know, I could be wrong, but I would probably peg things at somewhere between ‘08 and ‘10.
chris Wallace one of those sa called fair and balanced journalists....NOIT. They guy is and always has been in the tank left. The apple didn’t fall far from the tree
In this election season the masks are coming off.
C Wallace, Smith and others on Fox are part of the Enemy. The exposure of the poll biases and the peasants with their spreadsheets analyzing the internals of the Polls presented by the Polling Priests is driving the elites nuts, good the game is changing and they need to DEAL with it.
This is my favorite essay on freedom loving people versus the elites:
Opponents or Enemies?
In any conflict, it is a deadly error to mistake or underestimate the adversary’s capabilities, will to employ them, or ultimate goals.
Around the globe, what was once confidently deemed Western civilisation is in an end-stage battle with champions of a collectivist and statist ideology which, over the last century, has enacted programs of redistributive taxation, borrowing, and spending whose unsustainability has now become self-evident and which, unless the present course is altered, will collapse in at most ten years. Further, the second- and higher-order effects of these policies have led to demographic collapse in the societies which have adopted them, crippled capital formation and the creation of productive enterprises, and been used as a justification for mass immigration from regions hostile to the culture and values of the West which have been responsible for its prosperity.
Those who would destroy a society, destroy first its language. As Orwell observed, when the terms of discourse are corrupted, the corruption spreads into every domain the language is used to debate. So deep has this language rot penetrated, that it is difficult to write an essay like this without succumbing to itthat is the intent of those who spread the contagion. The present-day culprits identify themselves as progressives or liberals. Take a step back and ponder how manipulative this is: if you’re a progressive, then you must obviously be on the side of progress, even though the outcome of the policies you advocate will ultimately roll back all of the advances in individual liberty and prosperity made since the Enlightenment; if you’re a liberal, surely you must advocate liberty, notwithstanding that the consequences of your prescriptions will be descent of society into serfdom for the masses, deemed property of the state, ruled by an unelected, unaccountable élite.
These so-called progressives or liberals are not advocates of progress or liberty: they are enemies of them, and the sooner champions of liberty acknowledge what they are, the better our slim chances for defeating them will be. Libertarians and conservatives are inclined toward civil discourse and respect for the rule of law. They must come to terms with the fact that their enemiesnot opponentsare implacable, bent on winning whatever the cost may be, willing to use any means whatsoever to prevail and, once triumphant, to deprive their opposition of the means to reverse or even impede the implementation of their agenda.
They are enemies.
What is to be done?
In the middle of World War II, would it have made sense for Roosevelt and Churchill to have arranged a secret meeting with Hirohito and Tojo to try to work out their differences and find a middle ground where, say, Imperial Japan would be allowed to keep half of its conquests in the Pacific? Of course not: Japan was the enemy, and only its definitive defeat could undo the damage its conquests had wrought.
Enemies of individual liberty control the high ground today in most of the institutions through which they have made their long march in the last half century, and they perceive themselves as winning: with every generation they educate, inform, entertain, and rule, they create more dependent subjects who acquiesce to their rule and groom a new self-perpetuating class of élite. They are not people who have a different vision of how to create a society in which the aspirations of the majority of the people for themselves and their families will be achieved, but rather aspiring rulers of infantilised subjects dependent upon the largesse of their betters.
How does one deal with enemies? To survive and prosper, one does not negotiate with themone defeats them. There is no reasonable, achievable compromise between liberty and tyranny, freedom and slavery. One must vanquish the tyrants and slaveholders and ensure that their spawn cannot reinfect society.
We will never defeat them as long as we view them as opponents who play by the same rules and share the same goals as we. They are enemies, and must be completely defeated and removed from the political stage. That is how they view usthey have no desire to compromise but rather intend to destroy us. Until we take the battle to the enemy with an equal fierceness, we shall have no hope of success. Here are a few things we can do, starting immediately, once we come to terms with the fact we’re confronted with an enemy, not a well-meaning opponent.
Reclaim the language from the enemy. We should have a swear jar for every time we utter the words liberal or progressive except in scornful irony. May I suggest statist, collectivist, socialist, or communist as alternatives?
Do not trade with the enemy. Do not patronise businesses which support enemy causes; by doing so you support them yourself. While an individual choosing not to be a customer of a mega-corporation has negligible impact, millions of like-minded people deciding to go elsewhere can. On the local scale, telling the owner of the pharmacy who’s posted a petition supporting socialised medicine that he’s just lost your business and why does have an impactI did this two weeks ago myself.
Don’t be taken in by enemy propaganda. The mainstream media are almost entirely in the hands of the enemy. Help to make them the legacy media by ignoring everything they say, not subscribing to their enemy propaganda. Rely instead on first-hand reporting on the Internet whose veracity you can judge based on a network of trusted sources who comment upon it.
Do not entrust your children to the enemy. So-called public schools (the correct term is government schools, since in recent decades the publicparentshave lost all control over them) have been entirely captured by the enemy and become institutions of indoctrination and moral corruption which fail at teaching even basic skills. It is parental malfeasance verging on child abuse to send one’s offspring to these corrupt, corrupting, and nonperforming schools. If you cannot afford a well-run private or religious school (most have per-pupil costs well below that of government schools, but of course you have to pay that tuition on top of your taxes supporting the failed government schools), consider home-schooling your children, perhaps in conjunction with other like-minded parents. Even if you can afford it, don’t assume a private or religious school supports your values; talk to parents of students enrolled there and teachers: if they show signs of being enemies, don’t send your kids there.
Do not become indebted to the enemy. Higher education is overwhelmingly in the hands of the enemy. One of the greatest scams in recent decades has been the explosion in tuition and fees, which results in graduates of four-year and postgraduate programs burdened with six-figure debt they’re forced to pay off in the key years they should be saving to accumulate capital for starting a family, buying a house, educating their children, and retirement. This is not accidental: by blocking capital formation in people’s key earning years, they are rendered dependent upon the state for their retirement and health care in old age, which is precisely the intent.
What élite universities and professional schools provide for the exorbitant fee is a credential which offers entry into the ranks of the enemy, and the education they provide is indoctrination in the enemy’s belief system. If you need a credential, shop around and get what you require at a price that doesn’t sink you into debt throughout your peak earning years. Unless you’ve bought into the enemy’s credential game, where you went to college will be irrelevant after you’ve had a few years of job experience.
Do not hire the enemy. Are you an employer? Why should you pay those who support the destruction of your livelihood? In our information-intense age, nothing could be easier than determining the political affiliations and contributions of applicants for employment, as well as their sentiments posted on public fora. If they are enemies, don’t hire them. You wouldn’t hire somebody without a police background check to make sure they weren’t a crook, would you? So why should you employ an enemy who will use your paycheck to destroy the values you cherish and spread the enemy’s perverted belief system among co-workers?
Roll back the enemy’s gains. One of the enemy’s key intellectual force multipliers is the concept of the ratchet: that any movement in their direction is irreversible and that consequently the debate is only about how rapidly one will arrive at their destination. Those who view the enemy as an opposition fall for this completelyin effect, their slogan becomes, We’ll deliver you unto serfdom, but later than the other guys. This is not how one deals with an enemy: they must be definitively defeated, removed from all positions of influence, and their pathological beliefs cleansed from the society. Any politician who speaks about reaching across the aisle or intellectual who grants any legitimacy to the anti-human, liberty-destroying nostrums of the collectivists is a fool at best and a collaborator at worst. Failing to acknowledge that an enemy is an enemy is to preemptively surrender.
We do not compromise with enemy politicians; we defeat them, regardless of the political party from which they hail. If they’re enemies of freedom and the other party’s candidate is worse, challenge them in the primary.
We do not consent to enemy occupation of the media. These are businesses, and we will withdraw our support from them by letting subscriptions lapse and withdrawing advertising from them. This will provoke a circulation collapse death spiral for them. All public funding and subsidies for media must be defeated.
We choose not to fund enemy occupation of our educational institutions. All taxpayer-supported institutions must have their funding made contingent upon abolition of tenure (from kindergarten through university professorships) and retention based upon objective measures of merit by third parties outside the academic system.
In the U.S., many state judges are elected; Federal judges are not, and have lifetime tenure. But their courts are funded by the legislature, which can abolish them with the consent of the executive. Abolish abusive and misbehaving courts, and create new ones, and let that serve as a lesson to those who would legislate from the bench.
Dealing with the enemy
Over the last century, much of the enemy’s success has been due to the partisans of individual liberty being unwilling to acknowledge that their opponents are implacable and ready to resort to any tactic that advances their cause. I won’t stoop to their level is simultaneously staking out the high ground and then preemptively surrendering it to the enemy. Now, I am not suggesting that we do stoop to their level, but rather acknowledge that the enemy’s tactics have been working, and that they must be countered head-on, not around the margins. We must do this in a manner consistent with our morality and respect for the truth, but keeping in mind that the enemy operates under no such constraints.
With elected politicians, there must be no compromise whatsoever with the enemy, and enemies in elected offices must be forced, through strategic votes, to disclose their true beliefs and agendas, then defeated by candidates who call them out on the pernicious consequences of the enemy policies they advocate. As enemies are removed from elected office, policies can be adopted to identify and replace enemies in the judiciary, state-funded educational institutions, and taxpayer-supported cultural institutions. Complete deregulation of all media will allow the market to sort out the messages people choose to hear.
I am certain this paper will be denounced as strident and divisive. Bring it onit is both, and that is precisely my intent! If I had changed the introduction and globally replaced a few words in the body of the document, this screed could seamlessly slot into what passes for polite discourse in the fever swamps of the collectivist slavers. You may find it distasteful to look upon them as enemies, but that’s how they see you, and they have no difficulty whatsoever talking about silencing you, removing you from positions of influence, and shutting down the means by which you organise.
We believe in a multitude of voices speaking in a free arena, with the best argument winning. The enemy believes in an echo chamber where only their message is heard. This conveys upon them an asymmetric advantage, where we’re inclined to let them speak in favour of shutting us up. Fine: we should not sacrifice our principles, but at the same time we must come to terms with the fact that they are the enemy, and must be defeated and dispersed in disarray, not accommodated, lest we forfeit everything in which we believe.
Enemies and allies
In identifying the enemy, it is crucial to distinguish the enemy: the collectivist/statist ruling class and its partisans in the media, academia, and rent-seeking crony capitalist industries and financial institutions, from the electorate who support enemy politicians. We should view those voters not as enemies, but allies we haven’t yet recruited. Most voters pay little attention to politics and have little appreciation for the consequences, social and economic, of policy choices. This is not so much due to laziness, but rather rational ignorance: since a single vote has a negligible chance of influencing the outcome of an election, a rational voter will spend a negligible amount of time investigating the candidates and researching the consequences of the policies they advocate.
Consequently, elections often turn on the amount of money candidates can raise, the extent they can attack their opponents with negative advertising, their hair styles, and what party the parents of the voter preferred, as opposed to substantive issues. You may find this dismaying, but there is abundant evidence that this is the fact. In addition, enemy occupation of education and media ensures that the bias of voters who do not choose to independently inform themselves will be toward enemy candidates. This was the premise of an underappreciated 2008 book which breathlessly and approvingly forecast the calamity the recent enemy resurgence has brought upon us.
These uninformed and unengaged voters are not the enemy, but is it their votes which bring the enemy to power. So we must approach them as potential allies, to whom we must explain the ultimate consequences of the policies of the enemy to themselves and their families, and why it is in their own self-interest to defeat the enemy. The present situation is sufficiently dire that one need no longer appeal to long-term arguments such as Hayek’s in The Road to Serfdom: the apocalypse so ardently desired by the enemy, as it will present the ultimate crisis to be exploited to secure their power, is now just a few years away, and this is evident to anybody acquainted with the numbers.
Our goal must be to defeat the enemy. In a democratic society, this means apprising those who vote the enemy into power of their true nature, breaking the hold of the enemy media on the populace, and reversing enemy infiltration of education. The enemy strategy depends upon an uninformed, unengaged, and passive electorate. We must turn this around by communicating, by all means possible, the true nature of the enemy and the cataclysmic near-term consequences of their triumph.
Chris and Mike always spar like that and that was typical of a Friday. Nothing there. The Blaze is just parroting other outlets.
Chris Wallace has been working for the other team for sometime now. I say at least since 2009. But I am sick of hearing him rant and bloviate like he knows everything. For the past 8 months he has become Mr. negative.
I’ve not only turned off FoxNews, I’ve turned off Rush and Hannity... don’t listen to any radio and quit taking the newspaper years ago. Sad thing is some of this swill STILL gets through. :o
Yes, Wallace always snipes back and forth with Gallagher. Sometimes, I swear they are flirting.
Wallace has been showing his liberal bloodline for a long time.
Relying upon voice phones as the now somewhat antiquated technology to conduct polls themselves is flawed IMHO, especially with modern alternative communication technologies like texting, emails, or forums/blogs that many younger folks & some older have begun to favor at the expense of voice communications. Armed with now almost universal caller ID, myself & many others that I know rarely answer a phone anymore for a voice call. Only if the caller ID matches an actual contact or is a person I recognize - else leave a damn voice message if it's important. And, those I do know are aware that I am much more likely to respond in a timely manner if it's a text or email, so I don't get many voice phone calls to begin with. I suspect I'm not alone.
Moreover, with caller ID I think the chance of someone even inclined to answer a phone call at all from someone they either don't know, or that is obviously a telemarketer/money-begger/pollster, is a strong function of personality. I like to be left alone in general, as I suspect many non-collectivists do. IMHO, phone polls are going to be dominated by touchy-feely-talky types that are inclined to answer an out-dated anonymous voice call in the first place. We're not in the 20 century anymore - technology has changed, and poll technology somehow needs to change with it.
I did not see the actual exchange, but when I saw it directed at Gallagher, I knew it was nothing more than some good natured ribbing. Those 2 guys will make some rough, but well meaning insults towards each other that include such matters that even include each other's sexualities.
Wallace is a Republican that wants the elites to love him. Nothing new there.
Anyway....I agree that it will be the sweetest win ever if Obama is thrown overboard and the media with him. I want both exposed...just for the sake of truth.
The good news? I think Romney is doing a classic take of “rope a dope”. We will know Wednesday night. That is, unless we have a sudden international drama or one of the Wee Wones stubs a toe...or Mooch falls on her fat arse whilst, on Ellen, skipping rope—Injured in the line of duty for the “Let's Move” campaign...and our Brave Young Preezee has to sit in the hospital for the night.
Nothing would shock me at this point. Obama has NOTHING TO GAIN from this debate. I'll be shocked if it happens.
-10! Illegal imagery!
Pretty much the same here. I rarely watch or listen to Fox or Rush.
I believe the thousands of folks at Free Republic will find the stories of interest and will post those stories. And the FReepers will offer clear comments.
So why waste time listening to FOX or the other talking heads.
Good for you. You're blind, ignorant and proud of it. You ought to keep this to yourself.
No you boob! I WAS blind and ignorant listening and watching the talking heads and the idea came to me.......THINK FOR MYSELF and RESEARCH what the candidates stand for and how it will affect me and my family and this country!! Moron....
Wallace recently spent his vacation time at George Clooneys Italian Villa. Need I say more?
“Never question The Narrative, heretic!”:)
Wallace is progressive as Fox has become progressive.
The media is not our friend.
Turn the TV off and stop subscribing to the newspaper.
Does a talking head make a sound if no one is listening?
FoxNews is just as liberal as CNN, and is inching closer to MSNBC
People have got to wise up and realize that FoxNews is not Conservative, nor is it even Republican.
Best for people to get their sources on-line from Real Conservative sites. Even talk radio is more and more non-conservative
You are so right. I couldn’t agree more. Thanks for the support since I’ve already been lambasted by one on here for my position......probably more to come too. :) I still love FR and will always appreciate some of the most informed people I’ve ever dealt with. They certainly outweigh the motards that enter it’s hallowed halls.....LOL.
Ive not only turned off FoxNews, Ive turned off Rush and Hannity... dont listen to any radio and quit taking the newspaper years ago. Sad thing is some of this swill STILL gets through. :o
Pretty much the same here. People still do not realize that many of these so-called “conservative” media are not really conservative.
Let me see. Cutting your self off from information makes you smarter? Blind, stupid and ignorant is no way to go through life. I pity you. I thought only democraps were that stupid. Ta ta.
FOX NEWS network is my channel by choice, as can’t stand the rest of them...BUT on Sunday mornings I go to church and when the afternoon repeat comes on I’m tuned into FOOTBALL...
but when Wallace comes on, off goes FOX..better to hurt their rating than to listen to him...he is just too ‘tight’ and high and mighty thinking for my taste!!!!
so TURN OFF WALLACE...DON’T SUPPORT HIM WITH RATINGS...
LOL YOUR PRETTY NEW HERE...
funny you giving out advice to ‘old timers’ here at FR...
but then maybe your an ‘election visitor’ my opinion
You’re a real piece of work.
LOL YOUR PRETTY NEW HERE...
funny you giving out advice to old timers here at FR...
but then maybe your an election visitor my opinion
New to FR....been a conservative before Reagan Revolution
I can tell, by your weak comment, “you are new here”, that you have pretty much maxed out your ability to decipher what is really “conservative” or not
You made a lot of good points. I agree with them — especially the parts about the technology changing. Also, I suspect that your use of call display to filter out pollsters is more typical of conservatives than liberals (touchy-feely-talky types).
I didn’t want to post too much, so I focused on phone surveys as a short cut. Some of the new technology can be quite useful — e.g. surveys by Internet, where the sample was pre-selected, and there is follow-up to get an acceptable response rate. Other new technologies vary from less valid to less than useless. Self-selected open Internet polls (the kind we’re often asked to Freep) are useless (except to, e.g., artificially create a bandwagon effect). Robo-calling phone surveys are generally useless; but, could be useful if properly conducted.
Not so long ago, in-person interviews, and mail-out surveys were the established methods; and telephone surveys were the upstart technology. It took quite a while for telephone surveys to be accepted — and they have never been considered as valid as in-person interviews. Even in-person interviews can have plenty of validity problems. For instance, the appearance and demeanour of the interviewer can skew results. Cost was the main factor in favour of telephone surveys — and it is the main driver of the move toward Internet and robo-calling surveys.
If the pollsters are interested in quality, there are ways to address most of the problems. For instance, one of the most effective ways to improve the quality of surveys is the use of pre-selected panels. Survey companies recruit large panels of willing participants; and then survey samples from the panel. That greatly improves the response rate, and helps ensure that, e.g. cell phone users are included in the sample.
The problem is, the political pollsters seem to be more interested in serving whatever agenda their clients have, than in any professional concern about validity and reliability. We’ve only touched on the ways that unscrupulous pollsters can skew results, to suit their clients’ wishes.
If you don’t read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.”
Wallace has always been ego-driven and afraid to pursue the truth if it could possibly damage his reputation.
Oooh...who got to him? Check under your bed....maybe it was the boogey man....
The only thing “worthless” on this thread is your paranoia and conspiracy hints....