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Low-Information Voters: It’s Time to Rethink “One Man, One Vote.”
PIQ Score ^ | Sept 29, 2012 | Cincinnatus

Posted on 10/02/2012 9:35:34 AM PDT by bkopto

It makes zero sense that my vote – a working, tax-paying, law-abiding citizen who studies candidates and issues on the ballot – is cancelled out every four years by someone who knows little about our nation’s business… and does even less to contribute it.

Giving the right to vote to unintelligent and uninformed people – statistically those most likely to not work, not pay taxes, and contribute nothing of substance to society – is tantamount to giving them a license to steal. And it’s a very, very bad idea.

The idea of government “of the people, by the people, and the people” pre-dates the United States by some 2000 years, dating back to ancient Greece. In the Greek system, with a population of an estimated 250,000, only an estimated 30,000 (about 10%) were “full,” voting citizens: women, children, and slaves were not considered citizens.

And of the 30,000, only about 5,000 (about 2% of the total population) actually exercised their right to attend assembly meetings and voted.

The basic idea was that the people who contributed the most to society, and were the most knowledgeable about its genuine needs, were the ones trusted to make the decisions about how things should be run… and paid for.

Technically, the United States is not a democracy: it’s what is called a “Constitutional Republic.”

That means that the members of each branch of government are elected directly by the people, and the scope of authority for each branch is intentionally limited by the Constitution… to prevent any one branch from amassing too much authority.

Clearly, the Founding Fathers’ greatest fear was a centralized federal government that could overpower the people, either with ballots (hence, the three branches of government) or bullets (hence, the Second Amendment.)

While the Constitution says nothing about “one man, one vote” (that emerged from court cases in the 1900) what most people don’t realize that, when our country was founded, our voting rights started much like the ancient Greeks; as we evolved – and adopted the 14th, 15th, 19th, 23rd, 24th, and 26th amendments – voting rights were broadened. And that’s, by and large, a good thing.

What’s not a good thing is that, by opening up voting to anyone with a pulse, we’ve turned voting into something less than a treasured right entrusted to our most responsible citizens: today, less than half of all eligible voters (40-55%) cast their ballot, and many who do vote do a marginal job educating themselves on the issues.

What has resulted, however, is something that may not be in the United States’ best long-term interest: the “low information voter” as political operatives label them.

These are people who cast their votes for the candidate who’s cooler… funnier… more charismatic… has the neatest website… or takes time from his campaigning to appear on “The View.”

Or, conversely, voters who has been led to dislike a candidate’s opponent by misinformation, spin, or outright lies. The ability to govern, to lead, to act responsibly, to be trusted to protect America’s international and long-term interests… fall by the wayside, because we like someone else’s Twitter feeds more.

If you Google the words “stupid” and “voters” you’ll get treated to a YouTube cornucopia of Idiocy in Democracy.

People who are so stupid, that their opinion shouldn’t matter… especially in setting our national course headings, or choosing our leader.

Their dim-wittedness isn’t a function of sex, age, race, religion, or any of the other classic forms of categorizing people; these people simply defy demographic description due to their denseness.

And we want these morons banding together, and selecting our national leadership?

But there is a solution; I call it “Progressive Vote Values.” It’s a lot like “Progressive Tax Rates” where they more money you earn, the higher tax rates you pay… only in this case, the more you know about the issues facing America, the higher the value your vote.

If I were responsible for setting voting laws, I would immediately put into place the following non-discriminatory laws:

1) When you register to vote, you must take – regardless of party, income, race, religion, etc. – the U.S. Citizenship test (given in English) that all new immigrants do. Before immigrants earn the right to vote, they must pass a 100-question written test, to ensure that they have sufficient knowledge of our nation’s history, constitution, and law-making processes. Some of the questions.

What do we call the first ten amendments to the Constitution? The House of Representatives has how many voting members? If both the President and the Vice President can no longer serve, who becomes President? The Federalist Papers supported the passage of the U.S. Constitution. Name one of the writers. Name one of the two longest rivers in the United States.

Those are very good questions; if a soon-to-be citizen can answer those, he or she can probably be trusted to be informed enough on the issues facing America to vote.

Hence, the value of your vote will be determined your score: if you score 100% — and why wouldn’t you? – your vote counts in full; if you score a 50%, your votes counts for one-half.

Before heads start exploding at the ACLU, NAACP, and SPLC, these are not “literacy tests” given only to one group of voters, as prohibited by the Voting Rights Act of 1965: they would be the standard, uniform tests given to ALL voters… and modeled directly after the test given to modern-day immigrants before they are granted citizenship in the United States.

2) If you don’t pay any sort of taxes – income tax, property tax, capital gains, something other than sales tax – you vote is automatically reduced by 50%. One of the biggest issues in political campaigns is taxes and spending… if you’re not paying taxes, by definition, you’re deciding how everyone else’s money is getting spent. That’s not fair.

3) Ballots and voting instructions are printed in U.S. English only… not the half-dozen languages currently supported by bankrupt counties across California.

4) In order to ensure that each voter is who they claim to be, they will need to present a state-issued photo ID. This enables the vote tabulation system to accurately count each vote as proportionally appropriate for each voter.

Of course, critics of this program will call it racist, sexist, anti-gay, anti-immigrant, and elitist… when, of course, is it none of those things. No one is be singled out on any demographic basic.

It’s like flunking your driver’s test: you have no business being on the road unless you know what you are doing. Same goes with the voting booth.

If your vote only counts for 50% in 2012, you’ll have four years – until 2016 – to 1) study American history, 2) get a job, 3) learn English, or 4) get a photo ID.

In the old days, people used to get a whole college degree in that amount of time. You can probably handle those four things.


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1 posted on 10/02/2012 9:35:39 AM PDT by bkopto
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To: bkopto

I think originally the founding fathers only wanted property owners to vote. Maybe not such a bad idea.


2 posted on 10/02/2012 9:38:33 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: bkopto

Who gets to decide who’s intelligent?


3 posted on 10/02/2012 9:39:09 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Georgia Girl 2

It’s a great idea, inspired, even...

Property ownership is a proxy for having the character necessary to make an informed choice in an election.


4 posted on 10/02/2012 9:40:48 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: bkopto

I still think we need to go back to land/home ownership as a prerequisite to vote.


5 posted on 10/02/2012 9:40:52 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: DannyTN

I will decide who gets to vote.


6 posted on 10/02/2012 9:41:35 AM PDT by sakic
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To: bkopto

Its up to the individual states.

End of story.


7 posted on 10/02/2012 9:41:56 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: DannyTN
Who gets to decide who’s intelligent?

Why, the government obviously, donchaknow...

8 posted on 10/02/2012 9:42:16 AM PDT by wastedyears (The First Law of Heavy Metal: Not all metal is satanic.)
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To: bkopto
(1) Raise the voting age back to 21. (2) Disqualify anyone under 62 who is receiving government assistance. It's a conflict of interest. (3) This might be a hard one, but require photo ID at the polls.

9 posted on 10/02/2012 9:42:55 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: DannyTN

” Who gets to decide who’s intelligent?”

I do. Democrats ain’t gonna like it. Oh well.


10 posted on 10/02/2012 9:43:15 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: bkopto

Last week I heard a caller to a national radio show state we now have “Representation without Taxation”. A complete flip from what was the underlying sentiment over the Revolutionary War.

I am for going back to the landowner prevision or the federal tax prevision. Before we had an income tax, the bulk of taxes collected came from property tax. No property, no tax, no vote. Now that people with no skin the game can vote they have no issue with voting themselves greater and more costly benefits. The “Representation without taxation” is eating us alive.

Maybe show proof of local taxes to vote locally, state tax for statewide election and Federal tax to vote in National elections or those with National implications like Representative or Senator.


11 posted on 10/02/2012 9:43:51 AM PDT by Edison (I don't know what irks me more, the lying or the incompetence.)
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To: bkopto

12 posted on 10/02/2012 9:45:00 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: bkopto

I like Heinleins solution in Starship Troopers. Only veterans vote. Everyone gets a chance to be a veteran.


13 posted on 10/02/2012 9:45:21 AM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence again.t foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: bkopto

No, no, no! We can’t have a change in OMOV!....while idiot Democrat voters are willing to trash nearly every other Consitutional Protection afforded to Americans, they are not prepared to even consider the option of voter value and worth....they’d lose their entitlements.


14 posted on 10/02/2012 9:46:03 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

We live in an Idiocracy now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O75JX7CiQig


15 posted on 10/02/2012 9:46:26 AM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: Edison

“Representation without Taxation” IS
“Taxation without Representation”,

because those untaxed voters cancel out the votes of the taxed voters.


16 posted on 10/02/2012 9:46:56 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: bkopto

This is fantasy land.


17 posted on 10/02/2012 9:47:29 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: bkopto

” members of each branch of government are elected directly by the people,...”

really? i didnt’ know that we directly elected members of the supreme court...


18 posted on 10/02/2012 9:47:29 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: BenLurkin

She probably (very likely) has 3 to 4 fine young man-youths that are “promising, promising I tell you - good boys” “Weren’t no need to shoot Tyrell jess because he pulled a gat on a PoPo.” “He a good student - them cops wuz razist.”


19 posted on 10/02/2012 9:48:08 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: DannyTN

I’m very good at making that determination, Danny. I can usually tell by the shapes of their heads and their vacant stares.


20 posted on 10/02/2012 9:49:23 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Since they pay the majority of bills,
Not a bad idea


21 posted on 10/02/2012 9:50:37 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Genoa

on your points

1. I believe the lady so happy about her obama-phone was over 21 and plenty of naive and overeducated under-knowledged youth are 21+

2 does this include all federal employees including the military? After all they have a pro-government bias as well

3. actually the photo ID is the easiest of all three and one I agree with

best solution is to stop allowing illegal aliens and dead people to vote and to fix our public schools so they teach students about our constitutional republic as well as basic economic principles


22 posted on 10/02/2012 9:53:04 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: bicyclerepair

Idiocracy indeed.


23 posted on 10/02/2012 9:54:39 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: camle
really? i didnt’ know that we directly elected members of the supreme court...

Don't directly elect the president either.

And prior to the 17th Amendment, we didn't directly elect Senators, either.

24 posted on 10/02/2012 9:55:42 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Rich21IE
This is fantasy land.

Yup. Its ultimately and rightly up to the individual states and I personally have no interest in stripping even more power away from them. In fact, if anything I would support overturning the 17th amendment and let the state legislatures choose our senators.
25 posted on 10/02/2012 9:55:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: bkopto

Property ownership or military service


26 posted on 10/02/2012 9:56:10 AM PDT by jusduat (on the mercy of the Lord alone.)
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To: DuncanWaring

which calls the entire article into question


27 posted on 10/02/2012 9:58:05 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: DuncanWaring
And prior to the 17th Amendment, we didn't directly elect Senators, either.

Just think, we would likely have at least 1 GOP senator in Michigan right now if it weren't for the 17th amendment.
28 posted on 10/02/2012 9:58:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: DannyTN

THEY DO with a simple quiz based on a few questions about the issues at stake and the positions of the candidates with a few on the CONSTITUTION thrown in for good measure.

If you want to know why we’re doomed without a simple VOTER QUALIFICATION TEST, watch one of Leno’s “Jaywalking” segments or listen to that receent Howard Stern audio on YouTube!

Most of these azzholes are CLUELESS!!!


29 posted on 10/02/2012 9:59:01 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Obama for president -- of KENYA!)
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To: longfellowsmuse

photo ID AND dipping your finger in indellible ink.


30 posted on 10/02/2012 9:59:29 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: DannyTN

THEY DO with a simple quiz based on a few questions about the issues at stake and the positions of the candidates with a few on the CONSTITUTION thrown in for good measure.

If you want to know why we’re doomed without a simple VOTER QUALIFICATION TEST, watch one of Leno’s “Jaywalking” segments or listen to that receent Howard Stern audio on YouTube!

Most of these azzholes are CLUELESS!!!


31 posted on 10/02/2012 9:59:52 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Obama for president -- of KENYA!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
By only allowing property owners to vote, we had a higher probability that the voters were involved in the creation of the Nation.
Now, almost half of the population are merely hangers on. They crack the whips for those pulling the cart to pull harder, faster.
I agree that only land owners should be allowed to vote. Just because you draw breath does not mean you get a say in the direction of the country.

Put some skin in the game, and you get a voice. Without roots (owning a piece of the land) you are easily blown and have no lasting attachment to the success of the nation as a whole.
32 posted on 10/02/2012 10:00:56 AM PDT by TxAg1981
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To: bkopto
High school graduate, having passed US Government and a class using Dr. Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics as its text. ...in my perfect world.
33 posted on 10/02/2012 10:01:20 AM PDT by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: MrB; Lazamataz
“Property ownership is a proxy for having the character necessary to make an informed choice in an election.”

So dump anyone paying rent on a house or paying rent on an apartment. You just dumped our own highly intelligent Lazamataz and millions of other intelligent people.

34 posted on 10/02/2012 10:01:27 AM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: bkopto

After what is about to happen, happens, there is no way we are going back to universal franchise - since it is the cause of our present crisis.


35 posted on 10/02/2012 10:02:55 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: bkopto

If we are going to use the Founding Fathers opinions, non-whites and women do not vote.


36 posted on 10/02/2012 10:04:35 AM PDT by sakic
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To: bkopto

Government doesn’t give the right to vote, it either recognizes the natural right that is from God or it does not.


37 posted on 10/02/2012 10:07:42 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Georgia Girl 2; bkopto
Intelligence and knowledge are subjective criteria. But the franchise is too valuable to bestow gratis on all comers. IMO, the franchise should be granted only to adults over the age of 30, and then only to A. Landowners; B. Veterans; C. Taxpayers who have continuously paid income taxes for a prescribed period, say 4 years.

Obviously, category C goes away if the income tax is abolished. But I digress.

In contrast, the francise should be removed from all criminals, the mentally ill, anyone who receives taxpayer monies and from any taxpayer formerly franchised under category C above who has failed to pay income taxes for a period of time. The infirm and the elderly could be exempted from the latter condition.

38 posted on 10/02/2012 10:07:42 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: bkopto

Net tax payer (per 1040) and photo ID


39 posted on 10/02/2012 10:08:24 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Kozak
I like Heinleins solution in Starship Troopers.
Only veterans vote. Everyone gets a chance to be a veteran.

I like this, but expand
Only those who have served under command,
for at least 3 years, and honorably discharged are Citizens
Depending on society's need at the time

This leaves open the CCC, and
“Peace Corp” types of service
But it must be under command,
meaningful, and honorable service

Also, if you are not a citizen,
the Government does not owe you a darn thing
Except equality of Rights under the Law

40 posted on 10/02/2012 10:09:10 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: bkopto

Raise voting age to 25 (military exemption)
All voting on single date (no absentee except, again, military)
Photo ID required
Dip your finger in indelible brightly colored ink

bingo, bango, bongo: free and fair elections


41 posted on 10/02/2012 10:09:54 AM PDT by fnord (freedom is scary to some, especially other people's)
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To: Jim Noble
After what is about to happen, happens, there is no way we are going back to universal franchise

Amen. Furthermore, assuming I remain alive and able I would spill blood to prevent universal franchise from ever being re-established. It is the very death of democracy.

42 posted on 10/02/2012 10:13:01 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: sakic
I will decide who gets to vote.

LOL, you beat me to it.
43 posted on 10/02/2012 10:13:25 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: DannyTN
I don't know.

But I do know this: I am a government instructor at a local college and am appalled at the (lack of) intelligence on the part of the “youth vote.”

We were handed stacks of voter registration cards to distribute to our students. I refused. As I explained, voting is a civic duty, a sacred right for a citizen and if students of voting age were not going to go through the trouble of registering themselves, fine, they are not motivated to learn the issues and thoughtfully select a candidate to vote for. In my view, if they researched and learned about the issues at hand, then they would have the motivation to register to vote. Simple.

I discuss in class state and local government, how it works, doesn't work, examine the constitution and our Bill of Rights, and I try to get them to THINK. I ask questions. I explore their opinions and challenge all opinions no matter what they are. Most can't defend why they FEEL a certain way and certainly can't explain why they THINK a certain way. And I am supposed to hand out voter registration cards to them?

I tell them they are adults and have a responsibility to learn and exercise judgment, and if they snicker when I throw out Sarah Palins name and can't tell me WHY they snicker (other than Colbert or John Stewart makes fun of her), then I tell them they need to find out why they feel/think the way they do, to not let media personalities tell them what to feel/think.

Actually had a student tell me outside class she is not voting this year because she doesn't think she know enough about the candidates or their positions to cast an informed vote.

Thing is, she is the type that is responsible enough to not vote makes her responsible enough to vote if she educated herself. I told her not to give up, yet, to read, listen, and watch the debates and then decide if she is going to pass on voting.

Just me. . .as I watch the other instructor mock Romney in class and eagerly hand-out registration cards.

44 posted on 10/02/2012 10:15:23 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: bkopto
That means that the members of each branch of government are elected directly by the people...

If that's what you think then you may very well flunk your own citizenship test.

U.S. Supreme Court & all other federal judges are not elected. And the presidency is voted on by the Electoral College, not directly by the people.

45 posted on 10/02/2012 10:15:33 AM PDT by gdani
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To: bkopto

I would be pleased if we can get to “ONE PERSON ONE VOTE”, please excuse the “political correctness”. In my state, Mississippi, my vote only counts for .95% of a whole vote because of vote fraud. eric holder and the DOJ are holding up Voter ID because they believe that is okay for these less intelligent voters to steal part of my vote to impower the marxist like holder. When the marxist have total control we will still have electins but they will be meaningless. The last line of an anti-voter ID paper from the Brennan Justice Center at NYU makes the case FOR Voter ID. It says “Voter ID only makes a difference in close elections anyway.”


46 posted on 10/02/2012 10:17:27 AM PDT by duffee (Romney 2012, NEWT 2016)
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To: cripplecreek
Its up to the individual states.

Not so long as the Voting Rights Act is still in effect


47 posted on 10/02/2012 10:17:42 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: bkopto

I’ve been saying this for years. There needs to be some kind of standard test, to inform people and make sure people are informed, before voting for who represents our country and WE THE PEOPLE. Handle it just like they do when people get their drivers license.

It’s like flunking your driver’s test: you have no business being on the road unless you know what you are doing. Same goes with the voting booth.


48 posted on 10/02/2012 10:18:08 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: MrB
Property ownership is a proxy for having the character necessary to make an informed choice in an election.

With the housing market collapse & an ongoing stagnant economy, I'd argue many of those buying houses are less intelligent than those who choose to rent.

49 posted on 10/02/2012 10:20:01 AM PDT by gdani
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To: longfellowsmuse

“2 does this include all federal employees including the military? After all they have a pro-government bias as well”

The military is pro-USA, not “pro-government.” There is a difference.

And they earn their pay.

Welfare voters get their money for nuthin’ and their chicks for free. They aren’t earning anything.

This means, welfare slugs turned themselves into a ward of the state when they take the money and don’t earn it. In effect, they lost their “majority” (right to be treated as an adult), therefore, they lose their vote. If I was king. . .


50 posted on 10/02/2012 10:20:09 AM PDT by Hulka
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