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How Carter Beat Reagan
American Spectator ^ | Jeffrey Lord

Posted on 10/02/2012 10:44:20 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Remember when Jimmy Carter beat Ronald Reagan in 1980? Washington Post admits polling was "in-kind contribution"; New York Times agenda polling. Dick Morris is right. Here's his column on "Why the Polls Understate the Romney Vote." Here's something Dick Morris doesn't mention. And he's charitable. Remember when Jimmy Carter beat Ronald Reagan in 1980? That's right. Jimmy Carter beat Ronald Reagan in 1980.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: pollsterslie; repost
Take a few minutes to read this incredible look at the lies used by the left wing Mediots when Reagan ran against the traitor Carter.
1 posted on 10/02/2012 10:44:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
We have a new phenomenon now in politics, agenda driven polls. And if it isn't new, it has certainly been raised to a new level.

Intentionally deceptive polls are now being used by the agenda driven media to influence an election. This would seem to me to be unethical, unprofessional and possibly even illegal.

2 posted on 10/02/2012 10:56:41 AM PDT by Tula Git
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To: Tula Git

“...Intentionally deceptive polls are now being used by the agenda driven media to influence an election. This would seem to me to be unethical, unprofessional and possibly even illegal. “

Let’s get serious. Mexifornia is now officially issuing driver’s licenses to illegals. One possessing a driver’s license can vote.

Who gives a smelly Obama about the polls when the sleeze-O-crats are over halfway to their win?

Civil War II. The question is whether or not it will happen before or after the war with Islam.


3 posted on 10/02/2012 11:11:06 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Tula Git

Yes you are correct... deceptive polls have been used in the past, but we are now seeing their use “raised to a new level”. We are going to see the DemonRATs in the media sink to unheard of new Lows in the next few weeks.


4 posted on 10/02/2012 11:14:15 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Grampa Dave
I remember 1980, if anything it was as bad if not worse than it is today (although in those days before the 24 hour news cycle and Internet, you COULD escape it if you didn't read the morning newspaper or watch the evening news). Depending on what liberal rag you read Reagan was either a reckless warmonger who was going to start nuclear Armageddon on day one if elected or he was an “empty suit” actor who was out of touch and not very bright. Carter was portrayed as the wise, even tempered, thoughtful intellectual who through no fault of his own got saddled with a bad economy and problems in the middle east. Sound familiar...
5 posted on 10/02/2012 11:23:10 AM PDT by apillar
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To: fireman15

Deceptive polls, however, the electorate is dependent on the government teet light never before. We need to win this election, improve the economy and quietly tighten the free benefits for the lazy and free loading moochers.


6 posted on 10/02/2012 11:23:10 AM PDT by No Socialist
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To: Grampa Dave; Gilbo_3
I LOVe old polls, how about these:

Flashback 10/1/2008: Rasmussen McCain – 45%, Obama – 51%

[Rush] Limbaugh Predicts McCain Victory,NewsMax | October 31, 2008 | David A. Patten

7 posted on 10/02/2012 11:25:54 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: Grampa Dave; Gilbo_3
More MSM lies , Gallup:

November 2, 2008, Final Presidential Estimate Gallup poll: Obama 55%, McCain 44%

8 posted on 10/02/2012 11:30:02 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: Grampa Dave; Gilbo_3
September 7, 2008 Gallup Daily: McCain Moves Ahead, 48% to 45% McCain enjoying increase in support following convention
9 posted on 10/02/2012 11:32:45 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: Grampa Dave

Loved, loved, LOVED this article! My gut feeling tells me this election, although not quite a blowout, will be similar to 1980. The media tried to do what they could for Carter, and they’re doing the same (and even more) for Obama.


10 posted on 10/02/2012 11:37:10 AM PDT by Kharis13 (That noise you hear is our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: Grampa Dave; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; NFHale
This one is really cool, a vanity on FR 10/26/2008 showing that the polls are all rigged to make people think Obama is ahead when he really will lose in a landslide to McCain.

Six Reasons McCain will win the Election [Critique of polling] October 26, 2008(FR vanity)

ya gotta love optimism ...HA-HA

11 posted on 10/02/2012 11:44:05 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: fireman15

This reminds me of the days before WWII when it was discussed that a good war strategy was to bomb the enemies cities to discourage them and cause them to sue for peace. But the effect was the opposite.

We’ll see how this one plays out. My take is that this will go one of two ways:

1. Obama goes down hard as the amateur he is.
2. He is the beast in Revelation and it will take God’s overt involvement to sort this out.

Both are good.


12 posted on 10/02/2012 11:47:15 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: apillar
I remember 1980 also. Driving home from work on Friday I heard ABC News tell me breathlessly,"It's too close to call!" Anderson was supposed to be the spoiler, giving the election to Carter. We were warned that "It is going to be a long night before it is settled." IIRC the election was over by 8:30 Tuesday evening.

I never trusted the news media again...I still don't.

13 posted on 10/02/2012 11:51:22 AM PDT by Wingy (Don't blame me. I voted for the chick. I hope to do so again.)
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To: cuban leaf
RE :”2. He is the beast in Revelation and it will take God’s overt involvement to sort this out.

I know someone here (my town) who told me he thinks Obama is the Anti-Christ. seriously..

More important than any of that, which candidate is going to give me more 'free stuff'?

14 posted on 10/02/2012 12:00:49 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: Tula Git

“We have a new phenomenon now in politics, agenda driven polls. And if it isn’t new, it has certainly been raised to a new level.”

Agenda driven polls are at least 2+ decades old.


15 posted on 10/02/2012 12:36:12 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: Grampa Dave
“We have a new phenomenon now in politics, agenda driven polls. And if it isn’t new, it has certainly been raised to a new level.” Agenda driven polls are at least 2+ decades old.

True. I wasn't aware they had ever been so blatant and so deceptive as they are now. That's why I said it had been raised to a new level.

16 posted on 10/02/2012 12:46:53 PM PDT by Tula Git
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To: sickoflibs

I know someone here (my town) who told me he thinks Obama is the Anti-Christ. seriously..


Many people have asked me if he is. I’ve said I don’t believe he is, but time will tell...


17 posted on 10/02/2012 1:03:34 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: sickoflibs
Of all the major polls, Rasmussen seems to have the best overall numbers for Romney. If you use Rasmussen's 2012 Electoral College Scoreboard Romney has 167 "safe" electoral votes, and 29 likely/leaning. Obama has 203 "safe" electoral votes and 34 likely. That's 237 to 196. In the "critical tossup states" Ohio, Virginia, and Florida O has small leads.

From this, what would a non-partisan computer program or unbiased mathematician calculate the probability of a R victory to be? I would say the number would be low, but not zero.

Other factors might present themselves before the election (but if they are bad for O guess who won't show it). Weather on election day, debates + coordinated propaganda (I think Obama is going to mention R's 47% in the debates, while related ads run), possible new scandals.

18 posted on 10/02/2012 1:22:31 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
RE :”Of all the major polls, Rasmussen seems to have the best overall numbers for Romney. If you use Rasmussen's 2012 Electoral College Scoreboard Romney has 167 “safe” electoral votes, and 29 likely/leaning. Obama has 203 “safe” electoral votes and 34 likely. That's 237 to 196. In the “critical tossup states” Ohio, Virginia, and Florida O has small leads.

From what I been hearing O has been working the critical states: VA, OH, FL, WI, PA...all I can remember, should be a bunch more

19 posted on 10/02/2012 1:29:45 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: Grampa Dave; SunkenCiv; cripplecreek; Clintonfatigued; randita; Political Junkie; ...
Not mentioned in your posted trip back through memory lane was the presence of a much more viable third party candidate in 1980, the RINO John Anderson (who ran with a 'Rat running mate). Not sure if Anderson siphoned away more votes from Reagan or from Carter, but he certainly was a factor in most states, getting into or close to double digit percentages in the popular vote. It seemed as if a good chunk of potential Anderson voters decided to go for Reagan in the final weeks of the campaign.

Clearly, there is no candidate comparable in strength to Anderson among this year's third party wannabes.

20 posted on 10/02/2012 1:35:16 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Anderson was mentioned and one of the polls had him at 7%, and this was the actual result:

Ronald Reagan clobbered Jimmy Carter winning 51.7% to Carter’s 41% — a 10 point-plus victory in the popular vote. Third place Congressman John Anderson managed a mere 6.6%.

Amazing that they had the correct outcome for Anderson and missed Reagan winning by miles.


21 posted on 10/02/2012 1:53:30 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: justiceseeker93
And Anderson even made a cameo appearance on Saturday Night Live.

-PJ

22 posted on 10/02/2012 2:05:58 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( It doesn't I naturally when you're not natural born.)
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To: Kharis13

“Loved, loved, LOVED this article! My gut feeling tells me this election, although not quite a blowout, will be similar to 1980. The media tried to do what they could for Carter, and they’re doing the same (and even more) for Obama.”

Lets hope that the outcome will be very much like 1980.


23 posted on 10/02/2012 2:24:33 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: sickoflibs
From what I been hearing O has been working the critical states: VA, OH, FL, WI, PA...all I can remember, should be a bunch more

Rasmussen, who has the overall popular vote pretty close, has Obama way ahead in PA. Things could change, but right now PA looks very blue.

24 posted on 10/02/2012 6:05:25 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: Tula Git
Intentionally deceptive polls are now being used by the agenda driven media to influence an election. This would seem to me to be unethical, unprofessional and possibly even illegal.
”Media” isn’t the point - the critical distinctions are wire service journalism, and the subset thereof known as broadcast journalism. There is IMHO no constitutional rationale for censoring leftist fiction. And there is actually no legitimate rationale for imposition of standards of accuracy or objectivity on an independent newspaper. But members of the Associated Press could conceivably be legitimately criticized in court for membership in a cabal whose members posture as independent but who are actually tightly bound together in a collective. The AP was - according to a no-longer-extant web site I liked - found to be in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act in 1945. Back then the AP’s mission of conservation of telegraphy bandwidth in the transmission of the news made the AP seem “too big to fail.” But in the Internet age that mission is anachronistic, and it might be thought possible to break up the AP monopoly.

The central abuse inherent in the AP is the claim, contrary to logic, that journalists are objective. You cannot even attempt objectivity without being open about your own interests which might make you not be objective. And you cannot truly be open about your own interests while belonging to a mutual admiration society which you know will proclaim that you are - not are trying but actually are - objective. Not only so, but the membership of the AP was instrumental in pushing McCain-Feingold, the illegitimate “law” which “assigns" rights to certain members of the AP (tho not named as such) which it presumes to deny to the rest of the people, in contravention of the First Amendment rights of the people.

But as to broadcast journalism - which, let’s face it, is what has been the worst problem for conservatives - it suffers from not only the defect of membership in the AP collective but also is basically sponsored by the government thru the use of journalism “in the public interest” as a justification for FCC license renewal. How is it in the public interest that the public be propagandized?? It would seem that the FCC, its licensees, the broadcast networks, and the Associated Press should all be sued.


25 posted on 10/02/2012 6:13:10 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Carter beat Reagan
26 posted on 10/02/2012 7:05:02 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; DoughtyOne; NFHale; Impy
RE :”Rasmussen, who has the overall popular vote pretty close, has Obama way ahead in PA. Things could change, but right now PA looks very blue.

You rarely go wrong appealing to my pessimism DDD :)
Especially about THIS team (GOP)

The shame is that R2 and the R party was handed so many gifts to use against O this year, gifts that McCain could only dream of in 2008 and I am no McCain fan as you know.
But once again I must go against the convention wisdom of many here who drink the Rush juice, I see many blunders by R2 and the GOP. I see blunders, walking right into obvious (to me) traps and wasted opportunities, some are from my looking backwards of course. But many are not.
It just doesn't look right to me. And blaming it ALL on the MSM is a cop out.

I will cut Ryan a little slack because as with Palin 2008 w McCain PR is a slave of Romney.

Actually though, if I didn't have any contrary opinions, it would it would be pointless for me to post :)

27 posted on 10/02/2012 7:30:43 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 10/02/2012 7:55:31 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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