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Rush Limbaugh: As Predicted, the Corrupt Polls "Tighten"
Rush ^ | 2 Oct 2012 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 10/02/2012 1:44:25 PM PDT by seanmerc


RUSH: CNN is panicking over their own poll. As predicted, the polls are starting to tighten. CNN, at least what they're saying, they're starting to panic. You'll hear the sound bites coming up. Oh, by the way, the Washington Post poll that was so devastating to Romney in the swing states, this goes beyond simple incompetence or media malpractice. This is genuine corruption. We find out, and from the Washington Post's own pollster, that they based last Friday's poll of Romney being up ten, 11, whatever it was in those three swing states, on 160 people with a margin of error of plus or minus eight. I'm not kidding you. Now, some people say you get bogged down in analyzing polls too much because they don't mean anything right now. But the way they're being used, it does mean something and it's important for people to find out.

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1 posted on 10/02/2012 1:44:35 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: seanmerc

A poll based on 160 respondents is useless. There are 350 million people in the country. Extrapolating the results from 160 to 350 million is stupid, and does not give you a reliable number.

The 8% margin of error assumes that the 160 were a very typical representative segment of the population, in no way different from a group composed of 160 people who are definitely going to vote, chosen completely randomly without regard to where they live, possession of a land line, willingness to talk to a pollster, without regard to time of day (many people work at night).
That doesn’t include the dead people in Chicago who will vote democrat.

2 posted on 10/02/2012 1:58:00 PM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: seanmerc

Rush nails it, as usual.

3 posted on 10/02/2012 1:58:59 PM PDT by brivette
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To: brivette
"Rush nails it, as usual."

Because he's reading from here -- a small but select crew of poll watchers who know their stuff.

4 posted on 10/02/2012 2:04:23 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (2008 + IN, NE1, NC, FL, VA, OH, IA = 272EV)
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To: StAnDeliver

Where? Linky?

5 posted on 10/02/2012 2:07:42 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: I want the USA back

Not entirely true. The quality of the samples count too. Now I’m not defending anything here, I’m just stating that there is nothing inherently wrong with a sample size of 160. Just that if you do under sample there are other things you have to do to normalize the results across a broad spectrum of the state’s demographic (national polls are virtually useless).

6 posted on 10/02/2012 2:08:26 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: seanmerc

This has been popping up all over the place this morning, 160 people plus or minus eight as the margin of error. So those polls last Friday — now, here’s the thing. Those polls have already worked. There’s a reality about the makeup of the American people. There are people in this country who only watch the network news and only read the newspaper. They do not listen to what you and I would call advocacy or partisan media. Therefore, they don’t know anything other than what they see. Now, we don’t know how many they are. The election will actually demonstrate this. It’s one of the big questions facing us in this election: have we lost the country?

Have we reached the tipping point and all those questions that we’ve been asking. But there are people who only know, and it’s not just the elderly who are afraid of computers. People from all demographics who simply watch the network news and read the newspaper, and that’s it. So those people today are thinking that Romney is down by ten and 11 in the three swing states, because they don’t know anything. And the Washington Post has not published this correction, if you will. It was discovered. And now it’s out there. But it’s important that you know about it, because as I say, this is corruption. I mean, to run that poll and try to present it as something serious. There’s no doubt here this has gone way beyond just bias. These people have thrown in with a political party. They’ve thrown in with a political party to the extent that they do not report news. They’re journalists. They will not report news that is in any way, they think, harmful or detrimental to their side.


RUSH: They are panicking if we are to believe them. We go to the audio sound bites, and a montage of reporters this morning talking about the polls.

JOHN BERMAN: The polls! There has been some tightening.

JOHN HEILEMANN: We’ve seen a little bit of tightening in some of the national polling just in the last couple days.

ANDERSON COOPER: New CNN/ORC numbers show the race tightening.

JOHN HARWOOD: Some tightening from a little surge that Obama had.

JAN CRAWFORD: The polls are tightening. That convention bounce that the president got is going to start to narrow.

RUSH: Last week the election was over.

Three states, swing states, ABC poll: Obama up ten, 11! We find out the Washington Post asked 160 people. Margin of error +/- eight! They found out about that at CNN. Their own poll has come into question. Here’s Wolf Blitzer last night on Situation Room...

BLITZER: Happening now: Just two days before the first Obama-Romney debate, and our new CNN national poll shows the president’s lost — Lost! — his post-convention bounce!


BLITZER: Our brand new —


BLITZER: — CNN/ORC poll of likely voters —


BLITZER: — shows the race between President Obama —


BLITZER: — and Governor Romney remaining up for grabs.


BLITZER: The president leads 50 to 47 percent.


BLITZER: But his three-point margin is within the poll’s sampling error.

RUSH: No! No! Did you hear? Wolf said, “[T]he president’s lost — Lost! — his post-convention bounce!” Oh-ho, no. John King is shocked to learn this! On CNN, Wolf Blitzer’s show, John King is shocked to learn that after months and months of telling us the opposite, suddenly this poll tells us this election is about Obama’s job performance and not his likability.

Oh, no!

KING: Governor Romney has improved his standing among independents. He now leads the president by eight points among those who describe themselves as “independent voters.” That’s a significant improvement for Governor Romney, 49% to 41% among independents. And, again, the defining question w-when you have an incumbent president: What do the American people think of that president’s job performance? Not do they like him, but what about his job approval rating? And the president’s is down in our new poll. Forty-nine percent of Americans approve of his performance; 48% disapprove. So the country essentially evenly divided on how the president has handled this job.

RUSH: Oh, no!

See, this was supposed to be about likability, not job performance. The media was gonna cover that up. But Obama, “First black president! Historical! He’s loved!” He was The One. He was The Messiah. Oh, no! Their poll shows that it’s about job performance. But wait! Bill Clinton spoke. Didn’t they tell us that Bill Clinton took care of all this? When Bill Clinton said (impression), “I’m gonna just tell you: There’s not a single person out there, including me, who coulda done anything with this economy. Nobody coulda done a thing. Nobody coulda done any better what this man did.” That gave Obama the Clinton bounce, and that was it. That’s why Romney was gonna lose.

Now that’s gone?

Now it’s about job performance?

Oh, no!


7 posted on 10/02/2012 2:12:34 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: seanmerc

So then, Romney is surging.

8 posted on 10/02/2012 2:37:20 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: seanmerc
Forgive me if others have said this. But the Dems are trumpeting Obama's inflated "huge lead" so they can claim the "Wilder Factor" or "Tom Bradley Factor" ... claim that whites tell pollsters they'll vote for the black candidate, but revert to their racist ways in the voting booth.

Great excuse. I think they're anticipating they'll lose.

The sad thing is ... I don't care.

9 posted on 10/02/2012 2:38:10 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Democracy = Communism on the installment plan.)
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To: seanmerc

And we STILL don’t focus on Conservative issues ... just idiot conspiracy theories.

10 posted on 10/02/2012 2:51:42 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: seanmerc

I frequently see posts here about the “corrupt polls”, and such.

One question would be, if the public polls are indeed upside down, wouldn’t the Romney team gripe about this?
They wouldn’t allow the narrative that Romney is behind, if there wasn’t any truth to it.

My opinion is there is a rough truth to the current polls.
Romney is trailing, but not by much.
I also think there is a segment here trying to soothe the angst of losing by twisting poll demos to suit their ends.

11 posted on 10/02/2012 3:01:58 PM PDT by JaxLaxDad
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To: seanmerc
Rush is too smart to go this far so I will:

One need only ask ourselves...What is the biggest prevailing fear of liberals, the liberal media, the ‘Washington establishment’ and our RINO'S and that paralyzes their minds?

Their fear is that a Conservative, a TRUE Conservative could possibly be elected to the second highest job in the the United States and second in line to the presidency.

They are, desperately, trying to lure Conservatives away from even thinking about the political movement in 2010 and they use their pollsters to accomplish that. Their complicit pollsters are doing everything possible to please their CUSTOMERS... the media... the newspapers... the pundits...television anchors... liberals... and rino members of Congress. It is an all out assault to undermine American values and beliefs. THEIR movement would be the envy of the most ardent propagandist.

They all will point to the polls to panic, discourage and dispirit members of Conservatives and grass roots Americans who were responsible for our 2010 political movement. They saturate the airwaves, newspapers, all the sources easily available to them, to proclaim our polls are accurate because ALL POLLS are showing the same is indisputable proof that ‘this election is a dead heat’ or ‘the president has surged ahead in the swing states’ or ‘this election is all but over’.

Of course, ALL THE POLLS are showing the same indisputable proof, they have to validate each others ‘professional integrity’ by staying on the same page, don't they? I mean, how would it look to the public if wildly different data suddenly emerged out of nowhere with no +dems, no + rep? They can't and won't let that happen, it would just cause confusion amongst the masses and may even cause them to question their...collective indisputable proof. In short, they would lose the power to influence the direction of our politics.

12 posted on 10/02/2012 3:06:38 PM PDT by RetSignman (Remember the 2010 movement...Next Tsunami wave is building.)
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To: Usagi_yo
Now I’m not defending anything here, I’m just stating that there is nothing inherently wrong with a sample size of 160.

Under ideal circumstances, perhaps.

But this was 161 respondents in 8 states. And the WaPo projected individual battleground state results based on an average of 20 respondents per state.

Bah and humbug!! The published "poll results" are meaningless.

But they served their purpose. Now a majority of Americans believe the election is irretrievably lost for Romney.

13 posted on 10/02/2012 3:09:42 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Ole Okie

NOT SO FAST grasshopper! 60% of folk polled have said the liberal mediaWHORES are extremely in the tank for Obama...BY them virtual quoting polls day in and day out knowing those polls are slanted to benefit their evil master and depress our side in order to carry the BLACK TURD over the finish line ONLY TICKS OFF the BASE and I assure you we will be CRAWLING THROUGH BROKEN GLASS, WALK ACROSS RED HOT COALS to get to the polls on Nov. 6!! AND TO TOP IT OFF we will be taking family folk who have NOT voted in past elections WHO are itching to get to the polls. THE AMERICAN FOLK who love this country AREN’T blinded by the evil demonic communist agenda driven MEDIAwhores ONE bit!!

14 posted on 10/02/2012 3:22:01 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Ole Okie
You're 100% correct, with no margin of error.

If the 161 residents were drawn from a single state, then the 8% margin of error would apply. (Although, that wouldn't mean there weren't many other things wrong with the poll.)

However, given the electoral college system, a sample cannot have the same margin of error, if drawn from 8 states. If the sample size in each state was 20, that yields a margin of error of 22%!

You can check the margin of error for any sample size, using this handy calculator:
15 posted on 10/02/2012 3:57:26 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: RoseofTexas


I wish I had said that!

Taxman Bravo Zulu!

16 posted on 10/02/2012 4:26:53 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
There are people in this country who only watch the network news and only read the newspaper. They do not listen to what you and I would call advocacy or partisan news and the daily newspaper are exactly what I would call advocacy/partisan media - it's surrepticious and deceitful partisian media for sure, not open like those who come right out and honestly state their biases like Rush et al.......
17 posted on 10/02/2012 4:45:26 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Brad from Tennessee
JAN CRAWFORD: The polls are tightening. That convention bounce that the president got is going to start to narrow.

"...going to start to narrow"?

Only a news organization that pays for made up, predetermined numbers would say that.

18 posted on 10/02/2012 6:53:14 PM PDT by FreeReign
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