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Group Sues California Over Bill Banning Reparative Therapy for Gay Teens
Christian Post ^ | 10/02/2012 | Michael Gryboski

Posted on 10/02/2012 2:06:12 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

A conservative legal group has announced that it will file suit against the State of California over its recent passing of a law banning reparative therapy for homosexual minors.

Liberty Counsel announced the suit on Monday, bringing it on behalf of families, counselors, and the National Association of Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH).

"The California governor and legislature are putting their own preconceived notions and political ideology ahead of children and their rights to get access to counseling that meets their needs," said Liberty Counsel in a statement.

"This law undermines parental rights. Mental health decisions should be left to the patient, the parents, and the counselors – not to the government to license one viewpoint."

On Saturday, California Governor Jerry Brown signed into law Senate Bill 1172, which was introduced by State Senator Ted Lieu. SB 1172 called for stricter regulation of reparative therapy, also known as conversion therapy. This included requiring more paperwork for adult patients and banning the practice for Californian minors.

In an earlier interview with The Christian Post, Roy Sotero, a spokesman for Sen. Lieu, explained that the bill was meant to protect LGBT youth from the harmful practice of conversion therapy.

"Many leading medical and mental health associations believe that homosexuality and homosexual desires are not a mental disorder, and therefore there is no need for a 'cure.' All medical evidence has shown that you cannot change a person's sexual orientation," said Sotero.

The bill passed the California State Senate in June with a vote of 23 to 13 and the Calif. General Assembly in August with a vote of 51 to 22. Originally, SB 1172 had a provision wherein adults seeking reparative therapy had to provide an "informed consent" form. However, that part was removed during the amending process.

In addition to Lieu, the bill had the co-sponsoring of several LGBT organizations including the Center for Lesbian Rights, Equality California, the Courage Campaign, and Lambda Legal. Clarissa Filgioun, Equality California board president, said in a statement that they were happy with the bill's passage into law.

"We thank Senator Ted Lieu and Governor Brown for their efforts in making California a leader in banning this deceptive and harmful practice," said Filgioun. "Governor Brown today reaffirmed what medical and mental health organizations have made clear: Efforts to change minors' sexual orientation are not therapy, they are the relics of prejudice and abuse that have inflicted untold harm on young lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Californians."

NARTH, a major conversion therapy provider being represented by the Liberty Counsel in their suit, released a statement expressing disappointment but no surprise to Brown's decision.

"NARTH is saddened but not surprised by this unprecedented legislative intrusion and will lend its full support to the legal efforts to overturn it," reads the statement. "Anecdotal stories of harm are no basis from which to ban an entire form of psychological care. If they were, the psychological professions would be completely out of business."

Barring successful legal action on the part of the Liberty Counsel, the law will take effect on Jan. 1. This will make California the first state in the nation to enforce such regulation against the reparative therapy practice.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; gay; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; therapy

1 posted on 10/02/2012 2:06:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

How far can this go? Can they put a ban on Alcoholics Anonymous, since they try to turn drunks into teetotalers? Don’t some people just “seem” to have an inordinate fondness for alcohol? What about cult deprogrammers? Oh well, you CA guys are going to have to hash it out for yourselves/s;)


2 posted on 10/02/2012 2:18:36 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: SeekAndFind

Nope. Can’t have it both ways.

Homosexuality is Not an Official Psychiatric Illness
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070313144952AACXBBj

If it’s Normal according to Psychiatry’s Billing Experts, charging Medicare or Medicaid one Dime to even recognize it as a stand alone problem or any other issues arising from it is Health Care Fraud.

And Anyone Billing the Treasury to counsel it, treat it, whatever it, deserves to be arrested and prosecuted for Health Care Fraud.

Homosexuals are either Crazy, or Off the Public Dime for Counseling, One or the Other.


3 posted on 10/02/2012 2:21:07 PM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey, it’s still okay to push kids into being gay thoug


4 posted on 10/02/2012 2:22:24 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: To-Whose-Benefit?

Studies show that only 10% of homosexuals are born that way.

The rest just get sucked into it.


5 posted on 10/02/2012 2:26:10 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good-—this is another example of fascist government destroying rights of parents-—to do their primary Duty-—as in Natural Law and ALL Religious Canon Law.....violates the freedom of Religion and the fundamental rights of parents.

They can NOT force their THOUGHTS on parents-—Their ideology which goes against the fundamental Laws of Nature-—which is where Right Reason according to Nature-—is the method of finding out “What” is Right and Wrong in our Constitution. Homosexual behavior is a Vice and Evil.

This Marxist ideology which throws out the Laws of Nature and wants to redesign Man and Woman devoid of Natural Law and God’s Laws (US Law)——forcing a conception so irrational and evil-—which leaves children “thinking” the warped ideology of the Samurai—Ancient Greeks—or today’s Afghanis—where sodomizing others can be considered “GOOD” and “Normal” is beyond Evil.

Many elites-—the Hollywood Producers who raped the two Coreys in their homosexual orgies-—want to corrupt children. You see it in their evil TV Shows, like Glee. It promotes Satanic behavior. Sex Ed in public schools is designed to destroy logic and reason and morality in children. It is intentional—to erase God’s Laws-—so they have sex slaves.

Jerry Brown is evil, and probably a Sodomite-—one who worships Satan. That is the only reason why he champions warped, evil ideology like Marxism which destroys Reason and Logic and tries to make children think Good is Evil. Sodomy is always evil. Stating otherwise confuses children and destroys simple logic and morality.

Everyone needs to understand that Homosexuality “Rights” is a Communist concept-—to destroy freedom and religion. Our Rights come from God!!!! in this country!!!! ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, should be promoting homosexual anything-—it is Marxist. Know where this cr*p comes from-—designed to collapse civil society and Virtue in children.

http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2010/12/16/radical-georg-lukacs_to-achieve-the-communist-utopia-lukacs-launched-a-graphical-radical-sex-education-program-promoting-free-love-and-promiscuity/


6 posted on 10/02/2012 2:26:15 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: SeekAndFind

How could they possibly enforce this and what would the penalty be if you did put your kid in therapy?

I really have a hard time working up any sympathy for people living in California.


7 posted on 10/02/2012 2:28:35 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Me too, and I live here.


8 posted on 10/02/2012 2:32:30 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1351 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

I remember when growing up CA was the coolest state in the country. Whatever was the style in CA eventually moved across America to the rest of us. They had the best music, fashion, universities, sports teams, and movie stars. Now they have become a joke. How did that happen???


9 posted on 10/02/2012 2:37:31 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: SeekAndFind; All

Probably the best thing from Florida....Liberty Counsel...based in the same county as my FReeper Name

I do hope they win this....because there is something inherently wrong in a law that violates even the Liberals own “Seperation of Church and State”

Probably have to wait until it gets thru the 9th Circuit Kangaroo Court


10 posted on 10/02/2012 2:38:03 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: Frank_2001

Wait, aren’t liberals always screaming no one should get between a doctor and a patient, you know the whole abortion thing.


11 posted on 10/02/2012 2:44:24 PM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence again.t foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

No one is born homosexual. It is learned behavior-—just like raping babies-—just like pedophilia—etc. It is learned behavior. Don’t tell me people are “born” with the orientation to rape kids. It is irrational!

It is an environment (culture and parents/peers) that redirects or directs the object of lust, while children are forming their sexual identity.

Children should be allowed to naturally form without trauma and interference which will fixate their sexual drive at immature points of development-—where they will be unable to mature and form long term sexual relationships with the opposite sex. Strong “feelings” are produced during trauma—embedded in the psyche. Children, especially, can not erase those “feelings” easily even if totally inappropriate.

Homosexuality is caused by warping their sense of self and is a fixation in an immature stage of growth—the latency period. Children need healthy role models and no perverted role models and protection from sexual/emotional assault. The vast number of homosexuals are sexually molested, like Chastity Bono. Sexual violation of children warps their sense of self—destroys the integrity of their body and the sex act. It is hard to recover from such violation from a trusted adult. It warps their whole “worldview”.

Homosexuality and pederasty were universally accepted in Ancient Greece, and all cultures, like the Samurai and today’s Afghanis-—all caused by unnatural environments and glorification of homosexuality and pederasty. Little boys loved being picked by the adult males to be sodomized-—it was learned-—made normal by environment.

Sodomites are trying to normalize that behavior to recreate their utopia-—Ancient Greece where all little boys will be available to them. As one Freeper told me-—it is all about young flesh.

Destruction of Virtue destroys all free societies (Machiavelli, Greek Masters, Founders, Locke, Cicero, etc.) That is the fundamental necessity of ALL Republics-—Virtue. It is why the cultural Marxists designed Sex Ed to destroy Virtue in children. . There can be no Virtue in one who loves the vice of sodomy. All Vice needs to be condemned.

Homosexual Rights come from Cultural Marxism:

http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2010/12/16/radical-georg-lukacs_to-achieve-the-communist-utopia-lukacs-launched-a-graphical-radical-sex-education-program-promoting-free-love-and-promiscuity/


12 posted on 10/02/2012 2:53:49 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Liberals.


13 posted on 10/02/2012 2:55:25 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1351 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: savagesusie

Excellent thread - especially “SavageSusie” and not much I can add, but I agree; methinks they may have outqueered themselves this time...


14 posted on 10/02/2012 3:04:42 PM PDT by delcopatriot
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To: Kozak

“Wait, aren’t liberals always screaming no one should get between a doctor and a patient, you know the whole abortion thing.”

Brilliant.


15 posted on 10/02/2012 3:18:38 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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I hope they win. I suppose whatever the outcome it will wind up at the SCOTUS. This is a parental rights issue as well as a homo-nazi agenda issue, medical freedom issue, the rights of counselors to counsel as they see fit and as families want and need. The homo-nazi agenda MUST be stopped and rolled back. It is tyranny.

16 posted on 10/02/2012 4:02:50 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

RE: Studies show that only 10% of homosexuals are born that way.

The rest just get sucked into it.

______________________

Just curious, what scientific study is that? Can you cite a reliable source?


17 posted on 10/02/2012 4:37:21 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: SeekAndFind
law banning reparative therapy for homosexual minors.

What unspeakable evil, to deny treatment to children.

God, forgive us.

18 posted on 10/02/2012 5:51:32 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: SeekAndFind
only 10% of homosexuals are born that way. The rest just get sucked into it.

It's a joke.... Think about it... but not too, er, hard.

19 posted on 10/02/2012 6:09:25 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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20 posted on 10/02/2012 6:16:02 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

No being from a sexually dimorphic species are born homosexual. 100% learn this deviant behavior. Most of the males were raped as boys by adult homos.


21 posted on 10/03/2012 8:01:59 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Foreign invaders allied with libs/progs/and other assorted parasites have taken over the state.


22 posted on 10/03/2012 8:19:40 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"The California governor and legislature are putting their own preconceived notions and political ideology ahead of children and their rights to get access to counseling that meets their needs," said Liberty Counsel in a statement. "This law undermines parental rights. Mental health decisions should be left to the patient, the parents, and the counselors – not to the government to license one viewpoint."

A better writer might have made it more abundantly clear just what legal theory they're relying on. It's hard to tell here.

23 posted on 10/04/2012 2:43:40 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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