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Why Was Obama‘s Audio Book Version of ’Dreams From My Father’ Purged of All References
The Blaze ^ | 10/3/12 | Tiffany Gabbay

Posted on 10/03/2012 8:55:38 AM PDT by Nachum

You might recall TheBlaze’s series of reports on Dr. Paul Kengor’s powerful book, “The Communist,” which offered a detailed account of the Communist Party ties of President Obama’s longtime mentor, Frank Marshall Davis. “Frank,” as he is referred to in Obama’s memoir “Dreams From My Father,” is mentioned multiple times in the print edition of the president’s book, however, Kengor now reveals that all references to “Frank” were purged from the volume’s abridged audio version.

It’s an observation that was first broached, albeit very briefly, by Jack Cashill in a July article. And since then, the scrubbing has gone unnoticed. Until now.

“Frank” — whose influence Kengor asserts was key to the fledgling politician and that the eccentric activist appears in “each mile-marker” of Obama’s path from Hawaii to the halls of Washington, D.C. — is mentioned no less than 22 times by name in “Dreams From My Father” and is referenced via pronouns numerous other times throughout the book.

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Why Was Obama‘s Audio Book Version of ’Dreams From My Father’ Purged of All References to Communist Mentor?
1 posted on 10/03/2012 8:55:39 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 10/03/2012 8:57:01 AM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
Why Was Obama‘s Audio Book Version of ’Dreams From My Father’ Purged of All References to Communist Mentor?

Good question. Maybe Jim Lehrer will ask him tonight.

3 posted on 10/03/2012 9:04:35 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Communists have a long record of disappearing inconvenient people from their history.


4 posted on 10/03/2012 9:06:36 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Nachum
Why Was Obama‘s Audio Book Version of ’Dreams From My Father’ Purged of All References to Communist Mentor

Because the people surrounding this administration are following the same path as their communist mentors. This is how it was done in an era in which the only medium was the photograph: People were simply erased from pictures.

What happened if you already had the book at home? It was your responsibility as a citizen to go back and erase the person from the book. Seriously! Check out the book below:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Commissar-Vanishes-Falsification-Photographs/dp/0805052941
http://www.newseum.org/berlinwall/commissar_vanishes/

5 posted on 10/03/2012 9:08:02 AM PDT by mwilli20 (BO. Making communists proud all over the world.)
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To: Nachum

And why is it so hard to realize that King Obama surrounded himself with communists, criminals, and taught by Muslims in his youth. King Obama is a communists black Muslim..........


6 posted on 10/03/2012 9:08:02 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: skeeter
Why Was Obama‘s Audio Book Version of ’Dreams From My Father’ Purged of All References to Communist Mentor?

Good question. Maybe Jim Lehrer will ask him tonight.

ROFLMAO!

7 posted on 10/03/2012 9:26:46 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (When the Obama poster fades, the portrait of Che Guevara beneath it shows through.)
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To: Logical me

And don’t forget Mack-Daddy. He’s a Mack-Daddy, too.


8 posted on 10/03/2012 9:32:59 AM PDT by gotribe (WTF?)
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To: Nachum
Why the sudden purge of the identity of Barry's beloved mentor "Frank" from Obama's audio book "Dreams From My Father"?

Could it be because Joel Gilbert just mailed out over one MILLION copies of his film "DREAMS FROM MY REAL FATHER" , suggesting Frank Marshall Davis' paternal link?

[1 Million mailed to battle ground voting states of Ohio, 100k to New Hampshire]

Mere coincidence?

9 posted on 10/03/2012 9:33:45 AM PDT by wtd
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To: Nachum

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In a sane world, having the following comments out in print via Obama’s racist books would have knocked him out of the running for president of the United States. (they would have crucified a white candidate for far less)
From Dreams from My Father, “ I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”. Barack Hussein Obama

From ‘Dreams from my Father’, “The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN, AND APART.” Barack Hussein Obama

From Dreams from My Father: “THAT HATE HADN’T GONE” he wrote, BLAMING “WHITE PEOPLE — some CRUEL, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.” Barack Hussein Obama

From ‘Dreams from My Father’, “There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT and name names” Barack Hussein Obama

From ‘Dreams from My Father’, ‘I VOWED THAT I WOULD NEVER EMULATE WHITE MEN whose fates didn’t speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER’S IMAGE, THE BLACK MAN, SON OF AFRICA, THAT I’D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF, THE ATTRIBUTES OF MARTIN AND MALCOLM, DUBOIS AND MANDELA’ Barack Hussein Obama

From The Audicity of Hope: To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”

From The Audicity of Hope: After graduating from college, Obama eventually went to Chicago to interview for a job as a community organizer. His racial attitudes came into play as he sized up the man who would become his boss: “There was something about him that made me wary,” Obama wrote. “A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.”

From The Audacity of Hope:..’the white race...“that ghostly figure that haunted black dreams.”

From “Dreams”: (after making his first visit to Kenya, he wrote of being disappointed to learn that his paternal grandfather had been a servant to rich whites. that the revelation caused)“ugly words to flash across my mind. Uncle Tom. Collaborator. House n-——”.

From The Audacity of Hope: “We are no longer just a Christian nation,” he argues in “Audacity,” which was published last year. “We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”

“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”

From ‘Audacity’: “Her memories of the Christians who populated her youth were not fond ones,” Obama wrote. “For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness.”

“Malcolm X’s autobiography seemed to offer something different,” Obama wrote. “His repeated acts of self-creation spoke to me; the blunt poetry of his words, his unadorned insistence on respect, promised a new and uncompromising order, martial in its discipline, forged through sheer force

Then there is his love of Islam:

Quote from Barack Obama’s book, Dreams Of My Father:

“THE PERSON WHO MADE ME PROUDEST OF ALL, THOUGH, WAS MY [half brother], ROY..HE CONVERTED TO ISLAM”.

From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “IN INDONESIA, I SPEND TWO YEARS AT A MUSLIM SCHOOL” “..I STUDIED THE KORAN..”

From ‘Audacity of Hope: “LOLO (Obama’s step father) FOLLOWED ISLAM....”I LOOKED TO LOLO FOR GUIDANCE”.

From ‘The Audacity Of Hope, “I WILL STAND WITH THEM (MUSLIMS) SHOULD THE POLITICAL WINDS OF WAR SHIFT IN AN UGLY DIRECTION..” .

From The Audacity Of Hope, “WE ARE NO LONGER JUST A CHRISTIAN NATION, we are also a Jewish nation, a MUSLIM NATION, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”

http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20080101164820/http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html?cid=dc-article-obama . http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20080101164815/http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to_president_for_Obama_.html?cid=dc-article-obama

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Don’t believe it? Think these comments taken ‘out of context’? Here it all here in his own works;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6zM5ldO35A

Obama mocks, makes fun of the Bible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbLzhwvVR_M

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Still need convincing?

Race: http://theobamafile.com/obamarace.htm

Islam — early years: http://www.theobamafile.com/_Islam/ObamaIslamEarlyYears.htm

Islam — candidate: http://theobamafile.com/_Islam/ObamaIslamCandidate.htm

Dreams — Google books search: http://books.google.com/books?id=HRCHJp-V0QUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=dreams+from+my+father&source=bl&ots=PG9C6W4IYM&sig=5qpIOlRHH7sp8Y9-RBcJw13Xsio&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CqhpUPLRK5C20AGP5oDwDg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=dreams%20from%20my%20father&f=false

Audacity — Google books search: http://books.google.com/books?id=4vlcQZU6mwQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=audacity+of+hope&source=bl&ots=RUZxD-Y3J3&sig=NQLsrtgOLSH9Rza2Mcm6ISGJ8nU&hl=en&src=bmrr&sa=X&ei=SqhpUOQB6ITRAbv9gcAI&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=audacity%20of%20hope&f=false

The “Search” box is in the left column of Google books. Enter a search phrase and hit enter.


10 posted on 10/03/2012 9:33:58 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Nachum
From 1984, chapter 4:

As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs -- to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance. Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct, nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary. In no case would it have been possible, once the deed was done, to prove that any falsification had taken place. The largest section of the Records Department, far larger than the one on which Winston worked, consisted simply of persons whose duty it was to track down and collect all copies of books, newspapers, and other documents which had been superseded and were due for destruction. A number of The Times which might, because of changes in political alignment, or mistaken prophecies uttered by Big Brother, have been rewritten a dozen times still stood on the files bearing its original date, and no other copy existed to contradict it. Books, also, were recalled and rewritten again and again, and were invariably reissued without any admission that any alteration had been made. Even the written instructions which Winston received, and which he invariably got rid of as soon as he had dealt with them, never stated or implied that an act of forgery was to be committed: always the reference was to slips, errors, misprints, or misquotations which it was necessary to put right in the interests of accuracy.

I guess Frank Marshall Davis has become an unperson in Obama's political camouflage.

11 posted on 10/03/2012 9:41:47 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("Government is the only thing that we all belong to"=implicit repeal of the 13th amendment for all.)
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To: wtd
Could it be because Joel Gilbert just mailed out over one MILLION copies of his film “DREAMS FROM MY REAL FATHER” , suggesting Frank Marshall Davis’ paternal link?

That video is completely bogus...

"Dreams From My REAL Father" Video DEBUNKED

12 posted on 10/03/2012 9:56:15 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Nachum
Why Was Obama‘s Audio Book Version of ’Dreams From My Father’ Purged of All References

Because then you would hear the vile, demented blathering of the ignorant socialist-loving a$$ clown in his own voice. Why else?

13 posted on 10/03/2012 10:17:12 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
1.2 million voters in receipt of Gilberts film will judge for themselves as it's not likely any of those recipients will bother to locate that 'debunk' effort.

As for the purge of all references to "Frank" from "Dream From My Father". . . noted as mysteriously purged within the same week as the mass distribution of free copies of Gilbert's video . . .just coincidence, huh?

Right.

14 posted on 10/03/2012 10:54:06 AM PDT by wtd
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To: Tex-Con-Man
LOL! That 'debunking' needs A LOT of work!

Getting a little desperate , are you?
15 posted on 10/03/2012 11:58:08 AM PDT by MMaschin
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To: MMaschin

Educate me...point out the flaws.


16 posted on 10/03/2012 12:03:45 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Tex-Con-Man
That video is completely bogus...

Gilbert is a loon, but so are his critics. They have an obsession about proving Obama's legitimacy that is no less insane than anything Gilbert ever wrote about Elvis.

17 posted on 10/03/2012 1:27:46 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: wtd
1.2 million voters in receipt of Gilberts film will judge for themselves as it's not likely any of those recipients will bother to locate that 'debunk' effort.

They won't need to locate it for themselves. Dem media operatives will find the rebutting evidence and shout it from the highest rooftops. By lying about something that can be proven false, Gilbert has committed an unpardonable sin. It may result in a substantial backfire for his efforts. (Or not. Many voters are simply uninformable. )

18 posted on 10/03/2012 1:31:20 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: MMaschin
LOL! That 'debunking' needs A LOT of work!

The latest installment of it actually hit a target. It appears that LorenC has actually caught Gilbert in a provable lie. It is not an accidental lie, or merely a mistake, it is a real and determined effort to intentionally mislead the public about the truth.

After discovering one of those photos in a Magazine from the 1950s, Gilbert should not have claimed those pictures were of Stanley Ann. He knew very well that pictures from the 1950s could not possibly be of Stanley Ann, who could not have known Frank Davis until 1960 at the earliest.

19 posted on 10/03/2012 1:41:56 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Now tell me again, which girl is Stanley Ann Dunham?

20 posted on 10/04/2012 10:14:39 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Placemark.


21 posted on 10/04/2012 10:43:02 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fred Nerks

If any of them are Stanly Ann, it is the original three from Astute Bloggers. Why do you keep throwing up radar chaff?


22 posted on 10/05/2012 7:19:22 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Nachum; Fred Nerks
Frank:

There was one exception, a poet named Frank who lived in a dilapidated house in a run-down section of Waikiki ... But by the time I met Frank he must have been pushing eighty, with a big, dewlapped face and an ill-kept gray Afro that made...

Frank died in 1987 at the age of 82.
23 posted on 10/05/2012 2:50:33 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Brown Deer
The source of the three original images came from a website named free-vintage-porn.com which, when I traced it from the name and serial number shown on one of the images, had a large section devoted to photographs of models all wearing stockings, high heeled shoes and large earrings.

I traced that site YEARS AGO. The website is now no longer available, and a couple of months ago, the link still worked but all the images had been removed.

The three images were taken from this website and published here and there and identified as Stanley Ann Dunham, based on nothing more than a superficial resemblance.

And you are still perpetuating the lie. How? Based on the fact that when she was supposedly 16, in a photograph supplied by Maxine Box which she dated 1958, Stanley Ann Dunham had ONE tooth that was smaller on one side, and to make your point, you brought up an image of an eight year old with a similar tooth - BUT THAT CHILD WASN'T STANLEY ANN DUNHAM.

You have no shame. You bought into the Gilbert BS hook line and sinker, including the 'finding' of a piece of flooring and the identification of windows, from a man who COULDN'T EVEN GET THE ADDRESS RIGHT of the ELKS CLUB and a story-line that was out by a number of years. Frank Marshall Davis wasn't living at the address in the timeframe that certain arrests were made AT ANOTHER ADDRESS.

I gave you the links TWICE. It now boils down to you wanting to save face and not admit you were fooled. And for that, you have called me a liar.

CHAFF YOU SAY?

24 posted on 10/05/2012 3:10:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Brown Deer; DiogenesLamp
remember? ...In the 1950s and 1960s, the 2994 Kalihi Street address was a four-story residence with a seedy past in the sex trade in Hawaii.

Gilbert believes Davis lived on the lower two floors, which had separate entrances and utility bills, while the Negro Elks Clubhouse was operated on the upper two floors.

LINK TO FR POST AND THREAD

See the comments section where we showed that the Elks Club was never at the address where Frank Marshall Davis lived...

25 posted on 10/05/2012 3:22:14 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Brown Deer; DiogenesLamp; little jeremiah
ASK GILBERT AND HIS ENABLERS TO EXPLAIN WHY THE ADDRESS FOR THE ELKS CLUB IS SHOWN AS FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS' HOME WHEN IN FACT FMD LIVED MILES AWAY!

IMAGE SOURCE LINK

AND TELL GILBERT'S ENABLERS WHILE WE CAN, THAT FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS DIDN'T MOVE INTO HIS KALIHI STREET ADDRESS UNTIL YEARS AND YEARS AFTER THIS SO CALLED (PHONY) RAID.

I am sick of the liars and the lies. Diogenes Lamp, take notice. Your hero Gilbert is a scumbag who can't get his lies lined up. Maybe now's the time you should think about showing us the timber from the floor and the windows. Gilbert apparently decided to leave them out.

You were right LJ, a lie is a lie, regardless who tells it.

26 posted on 10/05/2012 4:08:35 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Brown Deer

The old man has age spots. Zero has a few little freckles, but if you darken and redden the image of zero, you can make them look darker...whoops! Now doesn't that prove Frank is his father? It would be amusing if it wasn't so pathetic. Now we are down to HER teeth and HIS little freckles, some floor boards from the wrong house found 50 years later in an old shed, and a window...of a house no one knows where it was.

27 posted on 10/05/2012 5:21:55 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2939571/posts?page=20#20

All of the images in the composite posted at the above comment originated from the same location, that’s NINE times the same furniture, the same lamp, identical surroundings. Gilbert has your support apparently, you both maintain the photographs were taken at the home of Frank Marshall Davis in Kalihi Street. Enlighten me. On what do you base this identification?


28 posted on 10/05/2012 6:10:04 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

It’s obvious to anyone without an axe to grind that Gilbert is merely continuing his tradition of making mockumentaries.


29 posted on 10/05/2012 8:16:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: DiogenesLamp; little jeremiah; Brown Deer; PhilDragoo
Diogenes Lamp, you wrote:

...Gilbert is a loon, but so are his critics. They have an obsession about proving Obama's legitimacy that is no less insane than anything Gilbert ever wrote about Elvis.

Don't forget, your own theory hangs by a Stanley Ann Dunham TOOTH.

30 posted on 10/05/2012 9:52:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
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To: Fred Nerks
Gilbert is wrong: Frank Marshall Davis is not DBA OBAMA's father.

Gilbert is wrong: Stanley Ann Dunham is not the pornographic model.

Gilbert is wrong: Stanley Ann Dunham is not DBA OBAMA's mother.

Operation DBA OBAMA is so wrong it must suppress, shred, manufacture and revise evidence wholesale.

Meanwhile the sponsors of DBA OBAMA continue to destroy America, menace Israel, and threaten the survival of freedom in the world.

It is vastly beyond charges of "loon" or "insane obsession"--

--but let's not miss Dancing With the Stars over it.


31 posted on 10/05/2012 11:37:49 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: PhilDragoo; Fred Nerks

What I cannot fathod is people who appear rational going for this obvious crapola.

Makes me really wonder about their (a) brains or (b) loyalties and motives.


32 posted on 10/06/2012 2:53:04 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Fred Nerks; RummyChick
The source of the three original images came from a website named free-vintage-porn.com which, when I traced it from the name and serial number shown on one of the images, had a large section devoted to photographs of models all wearing stockings, high heeled shoes and large earrings.

Yes, we know where it came from. John Ray (the man who first brought the photographs to our attention) said from the beginning, that's where they photographs came from. You keep repeating this point as though it has some sort of significance. It would appear to me to be utterly irrelevant.

The three images were taken from this website and published here and there and identified as Stanley Ann Dunham, based on nothing more than a superficial resemblance.

If by "superficial resemblance" you mean utterly dead on identical ringer, complete with crooked front tooth, then sure.

And you are still perpetuating the lie. How?

Uh, it's not a lie unless someone is intentionally attempting to mislead. The Woman looks exactly like Stanley Ann, and the two visible Albums place the date at later than 1957 with certainty. Originally I thought the "Cuban Fire" album placed it conclusively in 1960 because the original information I got from a websearch claimed the album was released in 1960. It turns out it was only a re-release with a few additional songs not in the original album.

Based on the fact that when she was supposedly 16, in a photograph supplied by Maxine Box which she dated 1958, Stanley Ann Dunham had ONE tooth that was smaller on one side, and to make your point, you brought up an image of an eight year old with a similar tooth - BUT THAT CHILD WASN'T STANLEY ANN DUNHAM.

You don't read what I write, do you? I had already told you to forget the Putnam City elementary school photo, and just acknowledge that the later photo of her is her. This photo.

Now you're back talking about the little girl photo. Why don't you just acknowledge that the Mercer High photo of Stanley Ann, (which is signed "Stanley")Is Stanely Ann? Note that it has a crooked tooth. So we can establish with absolute authority that Stanley Ann had a crooked tooth, and likely continued to have a crooked tooth in 1960.

You have no shame.

Why should I have shame? Till I have done something for which I should have shame, I ought not to have any, and I don't.

You bought into the Gilbert BS hook line and sinker, including the 'finding' of a piece of flooring and the identification of windows, from a man who COULDN'T EVEN GET THE ADDRESS RIGHT of the ELKS CLUB and a story-line that was out by a number of years.

Well, here you are completely wrong. If anybody copied anyone, Gilbert copied me. I was posting this theory a year before I ever heard of Gilbert. Go to some of my very first posts and you will see me outlining the entire theory, pretty much as Gilbert has presented it. Sometimes I suspect Gilbert is a freeper and read my stuff. What Gilbert did was provide what I thought was additional evidence for the theory, but now that his truthfulness has been impeached, I no longer have any reason to trust that he is telling the truth about his other evidence.

Of course, on the other hand, the only proof I have that Gilbert is lying is the statement by LorenC that he found one of those pictures in a 1958 magazine. I have to accept that LorenC is actually telling the truth to make Gilbert into a liar. I don't know for sure that LorenC isn't the liar, but i'm presuming he is not lying about this, though I personally haven't seen proof.

Have *YOU* seen any proof that those pictures came from a 1958 magazine? Till this is determined to be true, we don't know which one of them is the liar. (Though I suspect it is Gilbert.)

Frank Marshall Davis wasn't living at the address in the timeframe that certain arrests were made AT ANOTHER ADDRESS.

Frank Davis' FBI file says he was living there at 2994 Kahlihi street. You and I argued about this before, and I looked it up again just to make sure it was correct. You turned out to be wrong about this, and Rummy Chick also verified this.

I gave you the links TWICE. It now boils down to you wanting to save face and not admit you were fooled. And for that, you have called me a liar.

I did not call you a liar. I said: "Fred, I hate to suggest you are out and out lying, because I really think you try to be honest, but it looks to me like you are juxtaposing pictures of Marci Moore with Stanley Ann to create the appearance that they are the same woman. "

I still do not understand why you keep doing that. You keep posting pictures of Marci Moore next to the purported pictures of Stanley Ann, as if to imply they are the same woman. Snopes isn't even doing that anymore. If even they have virtually admitted it is a lie to do so, what are we to think when you use their now discredited tactic? You aren't fooling anyone when you put Marci Moore's pictures next to the John Ray nude photographs.

CHAFF YOU SAY?

Introducing irrelevant and wrong/false information into a debate is chaff. Yes, that is correct. Marci Moore has no legitimate purpose in this discussion. Is it possible you are not aware that woman you keep posting next to the purported nude image of Stanley Ann is Marcy Moore?

Did you not know this?

Fred, I was going to try to respond to all your messages today, but it is such a hassle that I'll defer this task for later.

33 posted on 10/06/2012 3:44:36 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

You’re obviously so invested in the Gilbert falsities you wouldn’t know if a brick fell on your head. Just look at the date of the so-called raid on the Elks Club and the actual address, then check when Frank and his family moved into Kahili Street.
Neither are correct. The Elks Club was NOT at Kahili Street, and Frank didn’t live at Kahili Street when that ‘raid’ took place.

FROM THE FBI FILES:

Page 19:
A. Residence

On August 17, 1956, Confidential Informant [ ] who
has furnished reliable information in the past, reported that
following page:
Davis and his family had moved from Hauula to 47-388 Kam Highway,
Kahaluu, Oahu.

B. EMPLOYMENT

On October 18, 1956, Confidential Informant [ ] reported
that DAVIS is still employed as a salesman for The Osborne Company,
1888 Kalakaua Avenue, Honolulu.
Pages 37-38: same information as of May 8, 1957
Page 62:
On November 15, 1957, Confidential Informant [ ]
reported that FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS is residing with his wife
and children at 2994 Kalihi Street, Honolulu. Informant
explained that the DAVISES have apparently patched up their
marital difficulties, and FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS has advised
him that his wife is expecting a child in the early winter
following page:
of 1958. Informant pointed out that for the past six
months the DAVIS couple has had a great deal of marital
difficulties. In May 1957 DAVIS advised informant that he
intended to divorce his wife. Shortly thereafter the DAVIS
couple appeared to be reconciled and Mrs. DAVIS consulted a
social worker. Thereafter informant reported that DAVIS
stated he believed his wife was a psychopath with a father
fixation.

In the middle of July 1957 the couple became
estranged and subject moved to the Atkinson Drive YMCA. In
late August the couple again began living together. Informant
stated that DAVIS has advised him that his wife had been
keeping company with a Mainland musician who was employed in
a Waikiki night spot. Informatn stated that the musician had
departed for the Mainland and apparently the couple had
reconciled.

On November 27, 1957, Confidential Informant [ ]
reported that DAVIS is employed as a salesman by The Osborne
Company, 1888 Kalakaua Avenue, Honolulu.
FBI File #2

Pages 5-6: same information as of June 10, 1958, working out of home, twin daughters born before February 10, 1958
Page 17:
On July 7, 1959, [ ] reported that DAVIS and his
fmaily continue to reside at 2994 Kalihi Street, Honolulu.
DAVIS is no longer working for the Osborne Company but now
is employed as an outside salesman for the Wright Company,
Syracuse, New York. DAVIS works out of his home and does
not have an office in Honolulu. The Wright Company carries
a line of novelties and advertising media. DAVIS also uses
the premises ot the “Hawaiian Reporter” for receiving business
messages and telephone calls during the day.


THE RAID TOOK PLACE, ACCORDING TO THE CAPTION, 12.20.52. THE ADDRESS OF THE ELKS CLUB AND THE RESIDENCE OF FMD WHICH HE AND HIS FAMILY OCCUPIED FROM 1957 WERE:

ELKS CLUB ADDRESS: VINEYARD STREET

FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS ADDRESS: KALIHI STREET.


34 posted on 10/06/2012 4:11:56 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: DiogenesLamp; little jeremiah; Brown Deer

Now tell me, how could FMD and his family have been living on the lower floor of a four story building that housed the Elks Club, which, according to Gilbert, was at Kahili Street, when the home at Kahili Street, built in 1927, was a single level Tudor style family home into which the Davis family didn't move until 1957? And the Elks Club address was 1316 Vineyard Street?

Surely, if FMD had ever lived at Vineyard Street, the FBI record would have showed he did?

THIS IS WHAT GILBERT CLAIMS:

In the 1950s and 1960s, the 2994 Kalihi Street address was a four-story residence with a seedy past in the sex trade in Hawaii.

P.S. Don't bother to reply, I'm thoroughly sick and tired of it. It's starting to look like it was you who mislead Gilbert, and all you're left with is a crooked tooth.

35 posted on 10/06/2012 4:31:01 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: little jeremiah

Vanity gets in the way. If it wasn’t for vanity the facts wouldn’t be so threatening; information would be allowed to stand or fall on its own merits, imo.


36 posted on 10/06/2012 5:25:26 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Brown Deer; little jeremiah; thouworm
STREET VIEW 2994 KALIHI STREET

If you click on the above link and bring up the STREET VIEW you will see how the red marker for the address is placed RIGHT OVER THE WINDOW - the same window which has been rendered fuzzy and unclear in the previous image I posted. That's weird. Why would that particular WINDOW be a problem? Why obscure the same window TWICE?

Obviously, if that window doesn't go right to the top of the wall on the EXTERIOR - 'someone' has tampered with the Google Earth images...? Surely NOT, LOL! (Don't mind me, I just hate being taken for a ride.)

37 posted on 10/06/2012 6:19:00 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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For the record:
38 posted on 10/06/2012 8:01:44 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Fred Nerks

In order to know truth, humility is essential. To be able to admit “I don’t know” or “I was wrong”.

Truth is more important (WAY more important) than “self importance”.

So many claims Gilbert makes have been proven to be utter lies. Not “mistakes”. Lies. Conscious lies.


39 posted on 10/06/2012 8:11:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Fred Nerks
You keep posting pictures of Marci Moore next to the purported pictures of Stanley Ann, as if to imply they are the same woman.

I haven't seen that happen. Where did she do that?
40 posted on 10/06/2012 9:22:25 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Fred Nerks; RummyChick
Frank Marshall Davis wasn't living at the address in the timeframe that certain arrests were made AT ANOTHER ADDRESS.

Frank Davis' FBI file says he was living there at 2994 Kahlihi street. You and I argued about this before, and I looked it up again just to make sure it was correct. You turned out to be wrong about this, and Rummy Chick also verified this.


The address of of the Elks Lodge was 1316 Vineyard St. FMD never lived there. What makes you believe he did?
41 posted on 10/06/2012 9:28:30 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: little jeremiah
Of course they are lies, no one could be that stupid, it has to be intentional...I finally did find an image of the Elks Club building, it's two stories not four, they couldn't even get that right:

I guess that still leaves someone who has to answer for the FALSE CAPTION that looks like it was written on sticking-plaster and stuck on the bottom of an image that shows nothing more sinister than a group of people walking under a sign for the Elks Club, being led by a sailor holding a flashlight....


42 posted on 10/06/2012 9:36:03 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Brown Deer

I think we all know by now that the name of the girl isn’t really important, I don’t give a hoot what Snopes might have called her, the results would be the same if she was Alice In Wonderland.
All I did was pick up most of the images that Joel Gilbert identified as ANN DUNHAM and used in his attempt to insinuate Frank Marshall Davis was the father of zero, both in portrait form and in full-body views, both tinted and black and white, and asked ONE SIMPLE QUESTION:

WHICH GIRL IS STANLEY ANN DUNHAM? BUT I NEVER GOT AN ANSWER.

Most of the images I used in the composites came from this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMUlWbO1rhk


43 posted on 10/06/2012 9:56:03 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: little jeremiah; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer
Just as David Maraniss attempted to repair the holes in the Obama myth ghosted by Bill Ayers, so we see the extant effort to salvage Joel Gilbert's Dreams from My Real Father.

Yet the difficulties are insurmountable:

Frank Marshall Davis is not DBA OBAMA's father.

Stanley Ann Dunham is not DBA OBAMA's mother.

Stanley Ann Dunham is not the painted lady in the porn tableaux.

The address Joel Gilbert uses does not fit the club or any residence of Davis.

At last we see Gilbert has as much proof of this hoax as he has for death of Paul or the survival of Elvis.

Which is zip, zero, nada.


44 posted on 10/07/2012 12:49:44 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: Brown Deer

I am not a breast expert but the breasts on Marcy Moore are much different than those of the purported Ann photo.

there is a side by side comparison on the first row of pictures

http://a.gogousenet.com/0zfcihgk/set/mukogvqptgqBlufpppkiqqnrxDbfkunxxherjbyexuortpjy/page-1-date-50.html

Looking at the way they did vintage porn...I think the purported photos are of a porn shoot and not just someone taking pictures of a girlfriend for private use.


45 posted on 10/07/2012 6:40:17 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Brown Deer; Fred Nerks
Addressing Fred Nerks:

"You keep posting pictures of Marci Moore next to the purported pictures of Stanley Ann, as if to imply they are the same woman."

I haven't seen that happen. Where did she do that?

Here. (Message 20.)

And Here. (Message 39)

And Here. (Message 20)

At first I thought she was doing it intentionally for some reason, and then I began to think she might not have known that those pictures were of Marcy Moore. In any case, it is confusing. I don't understand the purpose of posting Marcy Moore in this discussion.

46 posted on 10/07/2012 9:38:12 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Brown Deer
The address of of the Elks Lodge was 1316 Vineyard St. FMD never lived there. What makes you believe he did?

I never said anything remotely like that. I said that Frank Davis lived at 2994 Kalihi street in 1960 according to what I read in his FBI file. I never mentioned any other address, and I never mentioned the Elks club.

I believe Joel Gilbert posted a photograph that claims the 2994 Kalihi street was previously the Negro Elks club, but I have never made such a claim. I think Fred Nerks is extrapolating what she thinks is my position based on what others have said, and not actually on what *I* have said.

Due to the work of LorenC, I no longer regard information coming from Joel Gilbert with any degree of credibility. At this point, any claims by Joel Gilbert should be suspect if not outright dismissed as lies.

The theory that those photographs are Stanley Ann Dunham has taken a major hit, and I now regard it as having a diminishing probability of being her. There still exists the possibility that the original three photographs are her, but it is not as plausible as it once was, now that we have more facts to judge from.

47 posted on 10/07/2012 9:48:10 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“...At first I thought she was doing it intentionally for some reason, and then I began to think she might not have known that those pictures were of Marcy Moore. In any case, it is confusing. I don’t understand the purpose of posting Marcy Moore in this discussion...

SEE MY REPLY: this is what I wrote -

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2939571/posts?page=43#43

I think we all know by now that the name of the girl isn’t really important, I don’t give a hoot what Snopes might have called her, the results would be the same if she was Alice In Wonderland.
All I did was pick up most of the images that Joel Gilbert identified as ANN DUNHAM and used in his attempt to insinuate Frank Marshall Davis was the father of zero, both in portrait form and in full-body views, both tinted and black and white, and asked ONE SIMPLE QUESTION:

WHICH GIRL IS STANLEY ANN DUNHAM? BUT I NEVER GOT AN ANSWER.

Most of the images I used in the composites came from this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMUlWbO1rhk


additional: you did, elsewhere, indicate the name of whoever it is believed supplied the original tinted images to ‘Astute Bloggers’ - but that still did not identify the girl you insist is Stanley Ann Dunham. I was asking you to identify her from the composite groups for the benefit of anyone who might be reading your comments who didn’t know the background, and was just going by what they saw on this thread. Clear enough?

The last straw you cling to is to insist the images are of two women. All I was asking you to do was show which was which. If some of the images do happen to be of a woman named Marcy Moore, then show us who you think she is. Can’t you post images?


48 posted on 10/07/2012 1:55:00 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: DiogenesLamp; Brown Deer
...The theory that those photographs are Stanley Ann Dunham has taken a major hit, and I now regard it as having a diminishing probability of being her. There still exists the possibility that the original three photographs are her, but it is not as plausible as it once was, now that we have more facts to judge from.

And that's the truth.

49 posted on 10/07/2012 2:09:21 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: DiogenesLamp; Fred Nerks
next to the purported pictures of Stanley Ann

I missed that word in your original comment, but in any case...

pur·port·ed (p r-pôr t d, -p r -). adj. Appear or claim to be or do something, esp. falsely; profess.

So my question to you is, why do you continue to purport such claims, since NONE of the photos posted in those groups of photos are of Stanley Ann Dunham?
50 posted on 10/08/2012 4:32:35 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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