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Posted on 10/03/2012 8:55:38 AM PDT by Nachum
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Yes, I agree. Though I do not understand how that picture fits into the puzzle. It is claimed (by Gilbert) that it came from the Honolulu police department, and the labeling which Identifies it as 2994 looks to be almost as old as the picture.
Why was this picture wrongly labeled? And by the Honolulu police Department? Something doesn't make sense. At this point though, we only have Gilbert's word on the subject, so it may be just another lie.
What do you make of this?
I have always thought the original three pictures were of Stanley Ann Dunham. The pictures simply resemble her too well, and if you enlarge one of them, you can see that the nude woman has what appears to be a crooked tooth in the same location as Stanley Ann was known to have a crooked tooth.
Resemblance coupled with the same tooth being crooked was too much to ask of coincidence, so I was convinced that those photographs were of Stanley Ann Dunham and taken in 1960. (Original search for the album "Cuban Fire" placed the release date in 1960. I later discovered this was a "re-release" with additional song material.)
As for the seven Gilbert photographs, I never looked at them closely, (I tried to get copies of them from Gilbert's company, and they told me to just buy the movie, which I refused to do.) and had been relying on Gilbert claiming they were of the same woman, and based on the claim from Gilbert that he had gotten them from Frank Davis Archives, and if true, that too was too much for coincidence. It was only this week that I read an article in which LorenC claims to have discovered one of the Gilbert photographs in a 1958 magazine, meaning that the Gilbert photographs could not possibly be Stanley Ann. (If what LorenC says is true.)
This leaves the original three. Since LorenC has not claimed to have found any of the original three in a magazine, the possibility exists that these could still be Stanley Ann, though I find this much less likely than I did before reading that article.
As far as being purported, those original three photographs were purported to be Stanley Ann Dunham right from the very beginning when they were first made known to the blogosphere. John Ray, the Australian University Professor who first posted them online, pronounced them to be her right from the start. Snopes tried to debunk them as her, by claiming those were pictures of Marcy Moore, but even they have thrown in the towel on this issue, and pulled all of their claims regarding them.
At this point, I am less inclined to believe the original three photographs are her, but I still am not ready to close that door permanently. There is just too much coincidence going on here.
If someone produces a magazine with one of these pictures in it that comes from before 1960, I will concede that they cannot possibly be Stanly Ann Dunham.
Maybe Joel Gilbert made the label. Unfortunately Paul Shaner died in 1995, but you could check with HPD, or maybe search the articles here:
Something seriously stinks about that caption stuck onto the bottom of that image of the people walking along under the sign -
1. the Elks Club was not at 2994 Kahili
2. the image isn’t of a raid
3. there are no uniformed police personnel there
the only uniformed person is a sailor
4. the building at which the Elks Club was since the 40’s according to the picnic notice, was at Vineyard Street
5. the building described as four story turns out to be two story
6. the photograph of the two story building at Vineyard shows clearly it was never a multi-level private residence - it looks more like an office block
7. the window in the Tudor-style single level home at 2994 Kahili which is described as being close to the floor, shows in images claimed to be of the interior that it is about 3 foot from the floor and the blind reached to the ceiling
8. but when you look at the exterior of the window, on several views from Google Earth, the window has been deliberately obscured - I posted the window images above.
And Paul Shaner is deceased, how very convenient. Frankly, I was suspicious from the moment I saw that image, I find it a little hard to believe that one can just walk into a police station anywhere and help oneself to photographic records from the archives.
Meanwhile, I have written to:
I’ll let you know if he replies. All I would like to see is that we remain honest amongst ourselves...I have no interest in putting out the fire that Gilbert has lit, I’ll leave that to our banned freeper, LorenC.
The magazines Gilbert shows are: Exotique #2 Exotique #4 Exotique #6 Exotique #14 Secret Pleasures Battling Babes Bizarre Life #9 The last three magazines were published in 1958, 1957, and 1969, respectively.
NOTE: There's little possible doubt that the above images are all of the same girl and the photographs were taken at the same time. The second image from the left would have belonged to 'Battling Babes' and if LorenC is right, the above images date from 1957 or 1958.
Curiously, though, the pictures Gilbert shows appear in NONE of the issues he identifies. I consulted with the owner of a fansite for these magazines, who checked and confirmed that Gilbert's photos are nowhere to be seen in these issues. I personally reviewed copies of Exotique #14, Battling Babes and Secret Pleasures, and they included NO pictures of the mystery model.
So it would seem that the magazines in which the images appeared according to Gilbert is also an open question.
I'm beginning to believe the images were ALL gleaned from the free-vintage-porn website and that's why the site has been removed. I'm going to leave it there. The more one argues with a liar or a fool, the harder it is to tell the difference.
...the various images downloaded in February identified as Marcy Moore - on checking 'properties' all appear to have as their origin erotica vintage