Skip to comments.Another way of speaking English disappears as fisherman's death spells demise of rare dialect
Posted on 10/03/2012 10:21:04 AM PDT by FeliciaCat
In a remote fishing town on the tip of Scotland's Black Isle, the last native speaker of the Cromarty dialect has died, taking with him another little piece of the English linguistic mosaic.
Scottish academics said Wednesday that Bobby Hogg, who passed away last week at age 92, was the last person fluent in the dialect once common in the seaside town of Cromarty, about 175 miles (280 kilometers) north of Scottish capital Edinburgh.
The Biblically-influenced speech complete with "thee" and "thou" is one of many fading dialects which have been snuffed out across the British Isles.
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Not to worry...maybe Irish Islam dialect can replace it.
So? Big deal.
Yeah, but no one could understand a blasted thing the bloke was saying anyway...
But we now have ebonics, Cajun, Boston, and like totally valley girl.
The thing to do if you do not have an interest in language is to simply skip the article.
I actually like to read the articles on FR that are about history, ancient cultures and languages, etc. There are a bunch of us who do.
In a note left on his mantel, Mr. Hogg wrote “I had all you boffins fooled for 90 years.”
Mother forgive me.
RIP Mr. Hogg
You use message boards the way you want and I'll use them the way I want to.
Excuse me Miss. I speak Cromarty.
Snuffed out?! He was the last guy and no one else apparently wanted to learn it.
A huge deal. It astounds me that you don’t see it. It’s the last link to a people, a way of life and a mode of thought - an entire world was in that language.
I will never get used to the philistinism and reveling in ignorance of some members of FR.
That’s a shame.
However....there is still some of that left in the Yorkshire dialect (thee and thou) in the older generation. Took me a couple of months to tune my ear to it when I first moved there. ;-)
I knew them for over a year before I found out that he was not Russian. He was born in Canada, a native English speaker, but between very bad teeth, a speech impairment, and a drinking problem, I would have sworn that the guy was a Russian immigrant.
But the way you want is being a jerk. Really if a topic doesn’t interest you don’t click on it, it’s not hard. If you do click on it that’s your fault, if you don’t like the topic, that’s your fault, if you tell everybody it’s dull then the dullness actually comes from you.
I speak two languages. English and profane.
Sounds like a fun guy to drink with.
I noticed in National Geographic a month or two back that a man in Oklahoma is the last fluent speaker of Euchee. That is an Indian dialect of what was once a very large tribe.
The county seat of Walton County, FL used to be Eucheeanna. It was moved to DeFuniak Springs sometime after the War Between the States.
Inevitably there is always some self-important Freeper who attempts to hijack the thread with 1) Their idiotic sense of humor or 2) The need to inform others that THEY don't care about the article...type of music...person in question.
To the first...I say grow up...it would be nice to actually have a mature conversation on FR sometimes without your need to be a comedian. If your that funny...go to Stand Up Night at the Improve.
To the second...I say...you aren't that important. We don't care about the fact you don't care. Go get your itch to feel needed scratched somewhere else...
Now...back to the article: I've always been fascinated by dialects. I even asked a history professor (a long time ago) about when our accent stopped being British. When would we describe it as distinctly American?...and I marvel when I listen to the accents of people from early film...and compare them to today. It's a big change in 70- 80 or so years.
Nonsense, what a drama queen. The disappearance of this dialect won't effect anyone's life in the slightest. I amazes me the frivolous things some freepers think are important.
True. "Standard" American and "standard" Brit speech patterns are spread far and wide by entertainment and news media, and have a way of rounding off the edges of regional accents.
They also have a way of spreading and popularizing speech patterns. There are things I think of as britishisms and even aussie-isms that have passed into popular speech (and I'm sure Brits and Aussies notice the same thing in reverse.
Jail speech has always been a source of new idioms, and again mass media has a way of making those mainstream so that something gangsters are saying in LA jails within a very few years are in mainstream speech in Little Rock.
Mass movements of people have the same effects; people are not staying put.
One of the things that intrigue me is the effort to revive celtic in the British Isles... Manx for example, Scottish, as wells as Irish which had never completely died out.
I don't think so. And I don't care if you do. If you don't like my posts don't read them.
Since it was a dialect it’s more about nobody doing it than nobody learning it. Any English speaker probably knows all the words, we just don’t put them together that way. People don’t tend to “learn” dialects, unless you move to a region that has a different dialect than your that’s very prevalent and you’re willing to adapt you’ll speak whatever dialect you grew up on, which for most people these days is “TV news anchor”.
It is a huge deal. I lived in Hawaii for several years and they were desperately trying to reclaim their language because so much of it had been lost with the death of elders. Once it’s forgotten and hasn’t been written down, it’s gone forever. That’s a tragedy. I thankfully finally got rid of cable tv. Every time someone on Fox said, “Mr XXXX, he...,” made me want to throw something at the tv. Proof reading and editing has become a lost art. It’s a sad commentary on our society. An acquaintance tried to argue with me about Ebonics being it’s own language. While that might be technically correct, good luck getting a decent job speaking it.
Well, at least we still have those fishermen who talk like the “Pepperidge Farm remembers” guy.
‘I even asked a history professor (a long time ago) about when our accent stopped being British. When would we describe it as distinctly American?.’
I have often wondered the same thing myself. One of my favorite periods of history is the colonial/Revolutionary period. BTW, the wife of our landlord is the head of Welsh studies at a local college. I want to pick her brain someday. :)
And when the old guy cursed... Man!
... You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill...
Doesn’t matter if you think so, it’s the truth. Dropping into a thread just to tell everybody you find the topic uninteresting is the path of the pathetic useless egomaniac that actually has nothing to be proud of. You advertise your ignorance, you boldly declare that you are worthless. Don’t worry, plenty of people here will be ignoring your useless declaration of shallow boredom from now on.
Comment: Therefore, there is a sadness involved with the passing of a dialect or language.
Well if no one wanted to keep talking like that,then this is what happens.
It doesn’t sound like anything particularly incredible. Just lots of local slang and made up phrases for stuff like saying “At now kucka” when you want to say hello. or calling a dolphin a “tumbler”.
The reason why people stop using it because they couldn’t be understood.
I found a vid of him singing with family members! What a sweetie!
So it really wasn’t snuffed out, it just stopped being used.
I notice the same thing. Its one of the things I enjoy about watching old flicks, the older the better. Too bad sound didn't come in any earlier.
So what? You cannot begin to comprehend how little I care whether you read my posts or not.
All Scots speak Cromarty after a couple pints.
Years ago I was surprised to learn that no one today has ever heard old English spoken,it died out so long ago.
This was an example of a dialect that has now also passed away and will not be heard again. A contact with the past now that belongs to the past.
I wonder if they anywhere have this man’s speech recorded? Would’ve been a good idea.
Fascinating article. Thank you for posting.
You don’t know much about English, do you, ending a sentence with a preposition as you did. Here’s something for you to consider: idiocy is not a form of intellect.
Reminds me that the southern accent is rapidly disappearing in the USA. Visit just about any hamlet in the rural South, where most people over 40 talk pretty much like Andy Griffith — while the teenage waitresses at IHOP usually talk like Valley Girls. A sad development, IMO.
‘Ebonics (be) its own language’ is a ruse to get federal money for non-English speakers for the schools, doncha know? It is NOT a language; street dialect perhaps. Many dialects in Germany, but they all know Hoch Deutsch.
There are numerous seaside redoubts in downeast Maine and mountain hamlets here in New Hampshire where people still sound just like that. Most of them are my age or older. Unfortunately, many of the younger folk in southern New England increasingly sound like sitcom TV characters.
The old accents are colorful, while the new ones just fade into bland sameness. I still enjoy giving directions to lost visitors from New York and the mid-Atlantic, if only to smile and offer: "You cahn't get they-uh from hee-uh". Sometimes, I wish I was wearing my old black-and-red plaid jacket and the hat with ear flaps, just to complete the image for them.
Yeah. Regional dialects have all been suffering in the age of electronic communication. TV and radio push a standardized dialect with a lot of strength. Dialects like this one was probably never used by more than a few hundred people at the same time, as the village got smaller, as more of the people living there grew up talking like what they heard on the TV and radio rather than their parents that number dwindled until it was eventually just one really old guy. Used to be almost every town or village had some sort of variation even from a town a mile away, then we started traveling more, then came radio. The forces of history are hard on small region dialects. Heck even large region dialects are suffering, lots of people that grew up in the South don’t sound Southern anymore.
The people who feel a need to boldly declare they don’t care what other people think are the ones that care the most. People who really don’t care don’t care enough to say it.
Wouldn’t you be more at home over at D.U. with the rest of the thickwits?
It’s obvious the article doesn’t appeal to your intellect so why bother commenting about it?
My Mother’s family came from an island in the inner Hebrides called Colonsay. I once looked on their web site and noticed there are several Gaelic speakers on the island.
I would guess the Western Islands have the most Gaelic speaker in Scotland and probably by a long way. I have also read that the Western Islands are last bastion of devout Christians.
We know it was a language dialect of some sort, but since it's lost, we are all equally ignorant.