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Massachusetts rapist wants to see victimís child
NY Daily News ^ | 9/26/2012 | ERIK ORTIZ

Posted on 10/03/2012 2:30:14 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

A Massachusetts man who pleaded guilty to raping a 14-year-old in 2009 is now seeking visitation rights for the child he fathered — a sensitive case that could force the victim to maintain contact with her rapist.

That possibility has left the teen mother in an emotional tailspin, according to Fox 25 Boston, and she doesn’t want to interact with the man — a then-20-year-old she had met through the same church.

“She got raped at 14,” the victim’s mother told Fox 25. “She decided to keep her baby. And now she has to hand her baby over for a visit with her rapist?”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: judicialactivism; liberalequality; outrage; rape; rapist; sexoffender; sexualassault
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That is what passes for justice in a liberal state/
1 posted on 10/03/2012 2:30:24 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Blood of Tyrants

That Judge needs to be jerked up by his/her collar and shaken until the fillings fall out of his/her teeth.

What kind of FOOL would make a decision like this.

Allowing a pedophile to have visits with the product of a rape he committed.The SOB should have been hanged for the rape.


2 posted on 10/03/2012 2:33:56 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Blood of Tyrants
What is the perp doing out of prison only three years after a crime of this nature? A sane society would forbid him to come within a mile of the victim. A saner society would arrange for him to dance the Tyburn Jig.
3 posted on 10/03/2012 2:34:43 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

This is the kind of antagonistic and threatening behavior that could get your rapist butt shot right off. But then my family is all rednecks and hillbillies.


4 posted on 10/03/2012 2:37:00 PM PDT by Casie
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To: Venturer

Not technically a pedophile, because she was a post-pubescent girl. I get your point, just pointing out the literal meaning of the term.


5 posted on 10/03/2012 2:37:30 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Blood of Tyrants; little jeremiah

See?? See??

This is whay all rape victims MUST have abortions.

/HUGE SARC


6 posted on 10/03/2012 2:38:23 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Todd Akins thinks he should have custody.


7 posted on 10/03/2012 2:39:00 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Blood of Tyrants

This link has a map of states that have some protections against rapists and those that have none.


8 posted on 10/03/2012 2:39:48 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Vigilanteman

At first, I thought this guy must have ‘merely’ committed statutory rape (hence the relatively light sentence) however:

“He threatened me,” the girl said of the rape. “He told me that he could make my life upside down, and I wouldn’t have anybody and he would pin it all on me. So I was scared.”

3 years for forcible under-age rape is an abomination.


9 posted on 10/03/2012 2:39:53 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Blood of Tyrants
On the off chance the mother or a relative of her is a FReeper:

Dear Mother

Get OUT of Mass. immediately. Engage a lawyer, and arrange for any communications to be via him/her, and provide him/her with a PO box in a city NOT where you live. Go Now. You know these f***ing judges: they will not only allow it, but will ORDER it. They're ordering the state to provide a sex change to a murderer, so you know they'll favor the prisoner's rights before yours.

Pack and get the hell out. Now!!!

10 posted on 10/03/2012 2:40:54 PM PDT by theDentist (FYBO/FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Vigilanteman

Not the way I read it.

He served NO time in prison - it was all probation.

“The victim’s rapist, who was not identified by Fox 25, was sentenced by Norfolk Superior Court Judge Thomas McGuire to 16 years probation in 2011.

Prosecutors were seeking three to five years in prison for the man, who pleaded guilty to four counts of statutory rape of a child, Fox 25 said.”


11 posted on 10/03/2012 2:41:16 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The case is complicated by the fact that the court ordered the slime to pay child support. Payment of child support gives the dirtball a crack in the system to try to justify visitation rights.

My suspicion is that this piece of trash is using the visitation rights approach to get out of the child support requirement.

Were I the judge, and able to go back in time, I’d have given him a choice: serve your sentence (ideally more than three years), and pay child support until the kid reaches adulthood, or stay in prison until at least the time the kid hits 21.


12 posted on 10/03/2012 2:43:17 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I'm going to point out something unpleasant and difficult.

If he was convicted of the rape, and sentenced, then when he has completed his sentence, he does have a case -- by the same logic we all use here on FreeRepublic that a felon who has completed his sentence should regain his right to bear firearms and vote. We all do not require that an ex-felon never regain his right to defend himself later in life.

Similarly, then (and this is a very difficult thing to say, because rape is such a heinous crime), this rapist is still the biological father, and biological fathers have rights that are forcefully defended here on FreeRepublic. He's paying child support. Rapist or not, after he has completed his sentence, he is still the father of the child. Are we saying we want to deny his rights as a father AFTER he's completed his sentence?

That's a tough one. As the father of a daughter, my personal sympathies are totally with the girl. But I have a hard time saying that the father will never get to see his child, or that the child will never get to know her father.

OTOH, it sounds like he only got 16 years of probation, no jail time, and he's asking for father's rights prior to the 16 years being completed. That's not right, IMO. That weak sentence complicates things a lot.

13 posted on 10/03/2012 2:43:54 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Vigilanteman

He got probation. The court ruling is consistant with a situation where there was some sort of consensual relationship and the rape was statutory rather than forced, although the girl is quoted in the story as being coerced into sex.

I like that the girl kept her child, the child of a rape. I like that the man was put in a position where he would have to pay child support. Unfortunately, that opened the door for the problems that are being addressed in this article.

Her lawayer is trying to get the “child support” payments changed by court order to “restitution”, so that he will no longer have parental rights. That is how it should have been done in the first place.

The article does not indicate that the girl or the parents were upset with the probation ruling, in this article they are upset that he might get visitation rights. They may also have been upset with the court outcome — just the story doesn’t say that.


14 posted on 10/03/2012 2:45:28 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Stosh

You nailed it. The child support was the key to getting visitation.

The victim’s attorney to trying to redefine this....

Part of the probation arrangement demanded he acknowledge he is the baby’s father and follow probate and family court rules, according to My Fox News station.
The law requires him to pay child support — but also entitles him to seek visitation rights.
Now the man has allegedly asked for visitation rights, but the teenage mother says he has ‘never cared’ about her three-year-old toddler until now, Fox 25 reported.
The man’s legal representative refused to comment on the requests to see his child, but said the initial relationship between the victim and his client was consensual.
The teenage mother’s attorney Wendy Murphy told the NY Daily News that she had asked the Superior Court judge to amend the sentencing conditions.
Ms Murphy has filed a motion asking that the rapist would pay ‘restitution’ instead of child support, which would deny him access to the child through family court.
She has also asked that he be made to stay away from the child and mother.
A shocked Ms Murphy questioned why a criminal court had ‘punished’ the father with potential parental rights, NY Daily News reported.
She said allowing the man access to family courts he could have the chance to influence the child’s upbringing.
Ms Murphy, who teaches classes on sexual violence at New England Law-Boston, told NY Daily News:’This family has been very clear from the beginning that they want nothing to do with this guy.
‘What legal system requires a toddler to have a relationship with the man who raped her mother?’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2209258/Familys-outrage-girls-rapist-seeks-paternal-visitation-rights-child.html#ixzz28H5zY0X8
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15 posted on 10/03/2012 2:45:47 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: dayglored

I am sure that is the argument the attorney for the rapist would use. But you are gorgetting one thing, the woman who was raped. What about how it victimizes her every time she has to even talk to the rapists? Is that not a form of mental abuse that she has a right to be free from?


16 posted on 10/03/2012 2:47:31 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

They were seeking 3-5 years in prison. He received 16 years probation. Didn’t do any prison time at all.

While the girl is quoted here in a manner that suggests forcible rape could have been alleged, both the prosecution and the court appear to have treated the case as a consensual statutory rape case — I say that by judging both what the prosecuter was SEEKING, and what the court actually ruled.

I have no other knowledge, nor am I giving my approval to the outcome, just trying to understand what we are reading.


17 posted on 10/03/2012 2:48:25 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Responsibility2nd

This ruling is judicial terrorism. If the only way to get the rapist out of her life is to kill the baby, that’s what raped girls/women are going to choose. Otherwise they could be terrorized by JUDGES their whole life long.


18 posted on 10/03/2012 2:48:47 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: dayglored; Blood of Tyrants
I would add, by the way, that if this scumbag had raped MY daughter, he would have been picking himself up in pieces scattered across 5 counties.

The probation sentence is a farce and and a total injustice.

Let him pay support for those 16 years and stay out of trouble, and maybe then he can bring a case.

19 posted on 10/03/2012 2:49:58 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Venturer

yeah, but fathers’ rights and all that...


20 posted on 10/03/2012 2:51:33 PM PDT by cherry
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