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Creators Syndicate ^ | October 5, 2012 | Oliver North

Posted on 10/04/2012 3:02:56 PM PDT by jazusamo

HELMAND PROVINCE, Afghanistan — When our Fox News team left for Afghanistan last week, there was a palpable sense of imminent calamity in the air. Gloom and doom news from here is now a staple in our so-called mainstream media. Reports of "green-on-blue," or insider, attacks by our Afghan allies against American and NATO troops are depicted as a sure sign of mission failure and portend of worse to come. Commentaries, columns and "analysis" from "experts" urging our political and military leaders to "get out now" routinely grace our print and broadcast outlets. The terms "betrayed," "cut our losses" and "minimize failure" appear regularly in the press, and "lost cause" is now the media watchword for Afghanistan.

Defeatism of this sort is nothing new. Prognostications of failure in American military campaigns predate the founding of our republic. The "wrong war, wrong strategy," "no way to win" and "not worth the cost" arguments didn't begin with Vietnam; they have been commonplace in contemporaneous critiques of every military endeavor in our nation's history. So, too, have been calls for the heads of those leading these fights. "Fire them all" is hardly a new mantra for American military leaders — or the politicians who send them to war.

In the 1750s — during what we call the French and Indian War — British and Colonial troops set out to drive French forces from North America. They were thwarted by an alliance between the French and Native American tribes. During a disastrous campaign to capture Fort Duquesne — now Pittsburgh — the British-American effort was repulsed in part by unconventional warfare attacks perpetrated by Indians who were initially thought to be our allies. Thank goodness, the widely publicized failure didn't destroy the future military career of an otherwise promising young Colonial officer named George...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; msm; olivernorth

1 posted on 10/04/2012 3:03:01 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: 2rightsleftcoast; abner; ACAC; advertising guy; amom; AnalogReigns; Anoreth; Arkinsaw; ...


Please Freepmail me to be added to the Ollie North ping list.

2 posted on 10/04/2012 3:06:02 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
While I admired Col. North and agree with some of his statement above, he is working on old principles of killing the enemy and killing their resolve.

I don't think he really gets what the Islamists are about. They don't think like western civilization regarding life and protection of their wives and children. They are a "death cult" who want to die for some obscure prophet. Unlike tyrants of the past, they have NO consideration for their own. They think they will go to heaven as they kill innocent people.

Unlike the Hitlers, Lenins, Stalins, Mao's, et al, the Islamist fanatics WANT to die. They don't want to exist, but be a martyr in conflict so they can have their 72 virgins, lots of grapes, in a cool field of glory. Heaven awaits them if they kill enough other humans, whether westerners of competing Sunnis or Shites. They are taught to hate and kill anyone that is not of their teachings.

I might be reading this wrong, but seems like Ollie is not getting the gist of Islam.

3 posted on 10/04/2012 3:22:38 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet

I don’t admire him, nor do I understand why he’s a conservative hero. Except that he stuck it to the Dems in hearings and managed to stand against the MSM current. But who cares? A psychopath could pull that off.

4 posted on 10/04/2012 3:27:31 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: jazusamo

I assume North is referring to those Afghan troops who don’t turn around and shoot us.

5 posted on 10/04/2012 3:29:52 PM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: A Navy Vet

North gets it but you can well imagine the backlash if he openly advocated for what is needed in the war against Islam. The Muslims don’t operate on our frequency but when toltal war is unleashed upon them, they will fear us and leave us alone.

6 posted on 10/04/2012 3:34:27 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: All

I think the only strategy that will work in this long-term confrontation of western and Islamic values is containment.

Unless we are willing to undergo some major social engineering project that amounts to long-term ethnic cleansing, we are stuck with sharing the planet with 1.5 billion antagonists who hate us and don’t want us around. Of course the feeling is mutual except for some touchy-feely liberal types who haven’t really got much of a clue that they are actually the most hated of all of us (from the Islamic point of view).

I think we have to leave it to God to do anything as radical as ridding the earth of what appears to be an incompatible group of homo sapiens, but their animosity and general dysfunctionality make it probable that the idea will slowly gain political currency despite the barriers of political correctness saying no way. I mean, what other options do we have? There’s no living with them, they are conditioned to be crazy from earliest social development and to some extent about half of them are already beyond salvaging, the other half you can do business with if you are wary and not overly naive.

Modern communications will mean that the Islamic world will be further radicalized and anti-western, unless some strain of Islam arises that has a more tolerant and co-operative basis. Since that is essentially already spoken for as Christianity, the only working solution is mass conversion, if you don’t like ethnic cleansing.

A vast Islamic civil war seems to be looming and we could take the approach of making sure both sides are about equally armed at all points until it winds down.

7 posted on 10/04/2012 3:35:11 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (E pluribus biden)
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To: jazusamo

We are demanding that our troops follow suicidal rules of engagement. Any native is a potential or actual enemy and must be treated as such.

8 posted on 10/04/2012 3:45:02 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Lion Den Dan; A Navy Vet

You bet he gets it. He knows full well the radicalism of islamists and has been reporting from war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan for somewhere around ten years.

9 posted on 10/04/2012 3:47:17 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Maybe if we arm them and help them defeat the Soviets, they will be our friends.

10 posted on 10/04/2012 3:50:20 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: Tublecane
"I don’t admire him, nor do I understand why he’s a conservative hero."

The reason why I and so many admire him is that he was a champion against socialist/communist tyranny. We're seeing our very own Country heading in that direction, and you want to give me shit?

North and Reagan absolutely KNEW that the collectivism of the Sandinista National Liberation Front was a threat in our hemisphere. They supported the clandestine faction (Contras) to hopefully overthrow the tyrannical government. They were actually winning until Congress cut off funds. So North tried to support the Contra under the radar.

We can debate all day whether Reagan knew of such efforts, but North was the lead man who attempted to put down communism after Congress went squishy. I think that to be a good thing. Reagan and North were men who recognized the threat of the "gimmes" within communism.

BTW, I saw communism first hand back in 1960's in the love/peace movements as they formed local communes just outside of Los Angeles in the hills. I also watched them fall apart because the system was unsustainable.

Why? Because as always, some did not want to work as hard as others. Those who did work harder for the system finally got fed up with the slackers and left. Those '60's communes fell apart...never to be tried again. Communism and to a lessor degree socialism simply cannot work due to human characteristics. Sociology 101.

So yes, North tried to eliminate the communist Sandinistas. I give him credit.

11 posted on 10/04/2012 4:10:35 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Tublecane
" I would not trade you a billion dollars for the kids I led to combat in Vietnam
or in fact any of the Marines that I served with for a quarter of a century"

~Oliver North

From Wikipedia:
Service/branch: United States Marine Corps
Years of service: 1968–1990
Rank: Lieutenant Colonel
Unit: 1st Battalion 3rd Marines
3rd Battalion 8th Marines
2nd Marine Division
Commands held: Marine Corps Northern Training Area, Okinawa
Battles/wars: Vietnam War
Silver Star
Bronze Star
Purple Heart(2)*
Presidential Service Badge

12 posted on 10/04/2012 4:15:56 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Well said, FRiend.

13 posted on 10/04/2012 4:41:33 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

I wonder when the people of the US and it’s “leaders” will acknowledge that Islam is at war with all non muslims and will be until we or they are exterminated.

14 posted on 10/04/2012 4:46:59 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: oneolcop
I've no doubt at all you're correct and we better wake up soon, they've already got a foothold here and are making a lot of noise.
15 posted on 10/04/2012 5:02:28 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: A Navy Vet

You forgot about the Japanese. WW2. Planes flying into structures. kamakazee. Fight Islam the way we fought Tojoism and Emperor Worshiping Japanese suicidal nuts and you win. Nuke them. Fight like Nam, finish like Nam.

If you don’t have the guts to make a horrible mess don’t go to war.

16 posted on 10/05/2012 8:56:13 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: A Navy Vet

bttt - great history lesson many seem to have forgotten.

17 posted on 10/05/2012 9:19:50 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: jazusamo

Thanks for the ping jaz. Finally got the chance to read it. I think other than most of the commentary. I think this article is about the troops, and their perspective. It’s the MSM, the Pundits, the Politicos that are the defeatists, but the troops maintain that can-do attitude they are famous for.

I’ve read other articles in which the troops speak out about how they just want to have the politicos get the “H” out of the way, give them the tools, and let them win this thing.

I’m with the troops on that.

18 posted on 10/05/2012 7:44:21 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch
I couldn't agree more, FRiend.

That's exactly what Ollie is saying, it's not about the brass or the CinC or what some people think about Col. North's past (whom I consider a true patriot).

It's about the troops on the ground that are willing to sacrifice for the good of our country and for the man fighting next to them.

Those men are better men than many, they're willing to lay down their lives for all of us and our freedom.

19 posted on 10/05/2012 8:43:28 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: TomasUSMC

You are correct.

As I’ve always said, the war on terror should have ended within a few minutes of the first tower collapse.

A few dozen Trident D-5’s targeting Tora Bora, Khandahar, the Pakistani tribal areas, and every major islamic population centers and religious sites.

Cull this 1.5 billion down to about 500,000.... Mop up the rest with a carpet bombing of JDAM’s, Rockeyes, and CBU-75’s and a few FAE’s.

20 posted on 10/07/2012 9:10:27 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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