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SCHOOLED Classmate of both candidates stumped by debate outcome
The Daily ^ | Thursday, October 4, 2012 | Mara Gay

Posted on 10/04/2012 6:00:25 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike

The man who went to school with both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney and predicted the president would "smoke" the Republican nominee says he is dumbfounded by Obama's poor showing in the first debate.

"I'm surprised. I was shocked, actually," Sidney Barthwell, a district court magistrate in Michigan who attended Cranbrook with Romney and Harvard Law School with Obama, told The Daily. "That was not the Barack Obama I’ve seen through the years. I’m thinking the man might have had the flu or something."

Barthwell, who has remained friendly with both candidates over the years and is staying neutral in the presidential race, said earlier this year that he expected Obama to dominate in the face-offs.

“When they debate, Barack will smoke Romney,” Barthwell, 64, told The Daily in May. “Mitt Romney is smart,” he said at the time. “Having said all that, I still think he’s going to get smoked. The best he can do is hopefully come out not looking like a fool. Mitt will find out the hard way as soon as they have their first debate: You don’t debate Obama.”

Barthwell, the only black graduate of Mitt Romney's 1965 class at Cranbrook Schools, the prestigious boarding school in suburban Detroit, said Romney's former classmates have been pulling for the president.

"There’s been a lot of emails going back and forth between people in my class. The vast majority of them are very supportive of Barack and not Mitt Romney," he said. "It’s surprising to me because Cranbrook was a very conservative type of place."

Thursday, Barthwell said he barely recognized the president who appeared on stage at the first presidential debate this week in Denver. The Michigan man said his former law school classmate seemed out of it. "You never see Barack looking down all the time," he said of the president's performance Wednesday night, widely panned as lackluster, at best. "He was actually stumbling over his words. That was not the real Barack Obama in my opinion."

Barthwell also said the president was unusually reserved, even in the face of full-on attacks from Romney - a possible sign, he suggested, of Obama's acute awareness of the politics of race. "It’s possible he doesn't want to appear to be the angry-black man type," Barthwell said.

And the magistrate said it's likely that Romney -- who he described back in May as "not an athlete," "not a student leader" and "not a scholar" -- was simply better prepared for the debate. "Mitt Romney is a smart guy," he said. "He must have prepared for this debate and it was obvious."

mara.gay@thedaily.com


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: cranbrook; michigan
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1 posted on 10/04/2012 6:00:30 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike
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To: Hotlanta Mike
This is what happens when you only watch one channel and believe everything you hear.
Stop allowing others to make your mind up for you.
2 posted on 10/04/2012 6:02:53 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Some people are gullible. At no time has Obama proven to be a good debater. He can’t speak off the cuff. Anyone who thinks differently doesn’t think at all.


3 posted on 10/04/2012 6:03:14 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Sidney Barthwell, a district court magistrate in Michigan who attended... Harvard Law School with Obama...

Uh, ya wanna tell the country a little more about that, on yer honor, yer Honor?

4 posted on 10/04/2012 6:04:29 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
“Barack will smoke Romney,”

Doesn't sound all that neutral to me. Go figure.

5 posted on 10/04/2012 6:04:42 PM PDT by Condor 63
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To: Hotlanta Mike

That man looks a little shady to me and got to laugh at the photos he holds for each candidate.


6 posted on 10/04/2012 6:04:51 PM PDT by funfan
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To: ilgipper

So, is this gonna be the excuse for Zero’s poor showing? He had the flu?


7 posted on 10/04/2012 6:05:59 PM PDT by Radagast the Fool ("Be Brave! Be Brave! Be Brave!" -"War Horse")
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To: Condor 63

isn’t that gay slang for...


8 posted on 10/04/2012 6:06:57 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Yeah he looks like someone I would turn to for a serious analysis of someone he hasn't spoken with since highschool.
9 posted on 10/04/2012 6:07:50 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Radagast the Fool
So, is this gonna be the excuse for Zero’s poor showing? He had the flu?

No, I think they'll reserve that excuse for the debate he doesn't bother showing up for!

10 posted on 10/04/2012 6:09:37 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: funfan

The guy looks like they interviewed him at the horse track.


11 posted on 10/04/2012 6:09:41 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: listenhillary

LOL!


12 posted on 10/04/2012 6:10:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Obviously the guy is not the sharpest tool in the shed. Even lukewarm Romney supporters like me knew that Obama is basically an ignoramus concerning economics and Romney is a numbers wonk. But I’ll bet Obama knew the price of all the best recreational drugs back in the day. Impressed this fool.


13 posted on 10/04/2012 6:10:31 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Hotlanta Mike

It’s in the eyes, this man lies...


14 posted on 10/04/2012 6:12:02 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Sure, Barthwell, Obama had the flu. /sarc


15 posted on 10/04/2012 6:12:08 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Barthwell also said the president was unusually reserved, even in the face of full-on attacks from Romney - a possible sign, he suggested, of Obama's acute awareness of the politics of race. "It’s possible he doesn't want to appear to be the angry-black man type,"

So Obama couldn't respond to Romney because he didn't want to appear to be the angry black man type.

It appears that it is Barthwell's "acute awareness of the politics of race" that is driving his preference.

16 posted on 10/04/2012 6:12:19 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Just read the Yahoo in-”depth” comments from viewers evaluating the debate. One wanted to know why all 7 presidential candidates in his home state were not included. Others wondered why Romney was allowed to lie with impunity. Others thought Mitt was way too slick. And the beat goes on . . . and on . . . and on.


17 posted on 10/04/2012 6:13:15 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Hotlanta Mike

All kinds of excuses are flying...obama on medication, obama tired, obama sick....lack of air....what a loser.


18 posted on 10/04/2012 6:13:25 PM PDT by Fawn (DEAR JESUS....PLEASE LET OBAMA LOSE.....AMEN.)
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To: Talisker
"It’s possible he doesn't want to appear to be the angry-black man type," Barthwell said. "

REALLY? Wow, this guy is amazing! Either that, or he's... you know... capitalizing on the latest media meme.

Gee, I wonder which?

19 posted on 10/04/2012 6:13:43 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
Anybody know this guy? The name sounds familiar.

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20 posted on 10/04/2012 6:14:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Neutral? BS!!! (puzzled by the $250 to Romney , though. The rest went to obozo):

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=MI&last=Barthwell&first=Sidney

Contributor

Candidate or PAC

Amount

Date

FEC Filing

Barthwell, Sidney Jr
Detroit, MI 48214
36Th District Court-Detroit, MI/Mag

DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE (D)

$2,500
primary

10/11/10

Barthwell, Sidney
Detroit, MI 48214
36th District Detroit/Magistrate

MILES, PATRICK A JR (D)
House (MI 03)
PAT MILES FOR CONGRESS

$250
general

10/05/10

Barthwell, Sidney Jr
Detroit, MI 48214
36Th District Court-Detroit, MI/Mag

OBAMA, BARACK (D)
President
OBAMA VICTORY FUND

$1,450
primary

10/27/08

Barthwell, Sidney Jr
Detroit, MI 48214
36Th District Court-Detroit, MI/Mag

OBAMA, BARACK (D)
President
OBAMA FOR AMERICA

$2,300
primary

06/30/08

Barthwell, Sidney Jr
Detroit, MI 48214
36Th District Court-Detroit, MI/Mag

OBAMA, BARACK (D)
President
OBAMA FOR AMERICA

$-750
primary

06/30/08

Barthwell, Sidney Jr
Detroit, MI 48214
36Th District Court-Detroit, MI/Mag

OBAMA, BARACK (D)
President
OBAMA FOR AMERICA

$750
general

06/30/08

Barthwell, Sidney Jr
Detroit, MI 48214
36Th District Court-Detroit, MI/Mag

OBAMA, BARACK (D)
President
OBAMA FOR AMERICA

$250
primary

05/07/08

Barthwell, Sidney Jr
Detroit, MI 48214
36Th District Court-Detroit, MI/Mag

OBAMA, BARACK (D)
President
OBAMA FOR AMERICA

$250
primary

02/12/08

Barthwell, Sidney Jr
Detroit, MI 48214
36Th District Court-Detroit, MI/Mag

OBAMA, BARACK (D)
President
OBAMA FOR AMERICA

$250
primary

06/07/07

BARTHWELL, SIDNEY MR. JR.
DETROIT, MI 48214
SIDNEY BARTHWELL/ATTORNEY

ROMNEY, MITT (R)
President
ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT INC.

$250
primary

03/29/07

.


21 posted on 10/04/2012 6:14:53 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Hotlanta Mike

for someone purporting to be neutral, he sure has the latest Dem. talking point (excuse) down pat.


22 posted on 10/04/2012 6:14:53 PM PDT by twyn1
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To: Hotlanta Mike
... I’m thinking the man might have had the flu or something."

Yeah, right. Let's see...Obama was fine the day before out in his swanky hotel prepping for the debates. He was fine when he walked in. And he was fine today back out on the campaign trail where he enjoyed his normal routine of ridiculing Mitt and said, about last night "that wasn't the real Mitt Romney."

So as soon as Obama stood behind the podium he must have been hit by a Two-hour flu bug! A sudden striking, weakening, sweat-producing, stammer-causing illness that caused him to appear dazed and obviously delusional if he thought the real Romney wasn't there! ROFLOL These Libs never, never, never stop searching for excuses for Obama.

23 posted on 10/04/2012 6:16:16 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

Very good obervation.


24 posted on 10/04/2012 6:16:49 PM PDT by funfan
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To: MaxMax

“”There’s been a lot of emails going back and forth between people in my class. The vast majority of them are very supportive of Barack and not Mitt Romney,” he said. “It’s surprising to me because Cranbrook was a very conservative type of place.””

I went to University School, then in Shaker Heights, and we battled Cranbook in all sports. We never talked politics. I would be quite surprised if University alumni supported bamy!


25 posted on 10/04/2012 6:21:29 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Check out the latest Daily Doom antidote at hillbuzz.org.

You may have to scroll down a bit to see the article in question.

Kevin doesn’t think it was the flu.


26 posted on 10/04/2012 6:22:12 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: justlurking

The Slims?


27 posted on 10/04/2012 6:22:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Romney born 1947 and Obama born 1961....and they have a classmate in common?


28 posted on 10/04/2012 6:23:47 PM PDT by Wage Slave (Army Mom!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Wow my Mom (RIP) went to Shaker with Paul Newman and my cousin went there with Roger Penske.


29 posted on 10/04/2012 6:24:54 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

“BARTHWELL, SIDNEY JR
DETROIT, MI 48214
36TH DISTRICT COURT-DETROIT, MI

DNC SERVICES CORPORATION/DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE
10/11/2010 2500.00 10931717372

OBAMA, BARACK
VIA OBAMA FOR AMERICA
06/07/2007 250.00 28991922407
02/12/2008 250.00 28992086429
05/07/2008 250.00 11972231262
06/30/2008 -750.00 11972352238
06/30/2008 750.00 11972352239
06/30/2008 2300.00 11972352238
09/27/2011 250.00 12970010825

BARTHWELL, SIDNEY JR.
DETROIT, MI 48214
36TH DISTRICT COURT/MAGISTRATE

OBAMA, BARACK
VIA OBAMA FOR AMERICA
02/03/2012 250.00 12951914835

BARTHWELL, SIDNEY MR. JR.
DETROIT, MI 48214
36TH DISTRICT COURT DETROIT MI 48

ROMNEY, MITT / RYAN, PAUL D.
VIA ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT INC.
02/03/2012 250.00 12951542580

BARTHWELL, SIDNEY MR. JR.
DETROIT, MI 48214
SIDNEY BARTHWELL

ROMNEY, MITT / RYAN, PAUL D.
VIA ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT INC.
03/29/2007 250.00 27931483675 “

Seems a little DNC oriented LOL!


30 posted on 10/04/2012 6:28:58 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: dynachrome
puzzled by the $250 to Romney , though. The rest went to obozo

The answer to that is easy: so he could continue to claim his "neutral" position!! Important both as a judge AND as someone who gets interviewed by the media. Can't look biased, dontcha know!!!

31 posted on 10/04/2012 6:29:35 PM PDT by PLK
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To: madprof98
‘Others wondered why Romney was allowed to lie with impunity. ‘

Tonight in New Orleans on 99.5 on the John Osterland radio show a regular rat stooge caller nick named ‘Liberal Dave’ said the same thing. This is a meme the rats are pushing. I wonder if DU didn't roll this out as a ‘talking point’ almost as soon as the debate ended to give the sheeple wolves their howling cue.

32 posted on 10/04/2012 6:31:30 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: dynachrome

Great resource. Used to always catch the media touting a Dem donor as ‘neutral’ or even ‘Republican’. Not so much anynore.


33 posted on 10/04/2012 6:32:35 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
That was not the real Barack Obama in my opinion.

So, are you saying Romney was the real Romney, but Barack was not the real Barack? Barack is saying that Romney was the not the real Romney - perhaps an imposter. Maybe, both Barack AND Romney were both imposters... and both not real! Folks, there is a mystery here... if the Barack was not the real Barack, then the fake Barack should go look for the real Barack. If Romney was not the real Romney, then the fake Romney should go look for the real Romney... or, if that WAS the real Barack, the real Barack should go look for the real Romney!

34 posted on 10/04/2012 6:32:51 PM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: Hotlanta Mike

The man is a liar and this reporter got rolled.

Obama 1st year at Havard was 1988. Romney was there in 1971

Romney is the son of Lenore and George W. Romney (Governor of Michigan, 1963–69). Raised in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, beginning in 1966, he spent thirty months in France as a Mormon missionary. In 1969, he married Ann Davies, and the couple had five children together. In 1971, he earned a Bachelor of Arts from Brigham Young University and, in 1975, a joint Juris Doctor and Master of Business Administration from Harvard University. Romney entered the management consulting industry and in 1977 he secured a position at Bain & Company. Later serving as its chief executive officer, he helped bring the company out of financial crisis. In 1984, he cofounded and led the spin-off company Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm that became highly profitable and one of the largest such firms in the nation. His net worth is estimated at $190–250 million, wealth that helped finance his political campaigns prior to 2012.

In late 1988, Obama entered Harvard Law School. He was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review at the end of his first year,[39] and president of the journal in his second year.[33][40] During his summers, he returned to Chicago, where he worked as an associate at the law firms of Sidley Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.[41] After graduating with a J.D. magna cum laude[42] from Harvard in 1991, he returned to Chicago.[39] Obama’s election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review gained national media attention[33][40] and led to a publishing contract and advance for a book about race relations,[43] which evolved into a personal memoir. The manuscript was published in mid-1995 as Dreams from My Father.[43]


35 posted on 10/04/2012 6:33:46 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

DON’T matter...70 million BABYYYYYYY!! 70 million saw and heard the truth!! YEAH!! Spin it up your mediaWHORE butts!!


36 posted on 10/04/2012 6:37:03 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: nascarnation

I don’t think Paul or Roger lasted very long at University School.


37 posted on 10/04/2012 6:41:49 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Fawn

Sounds to me that he lacks stamina and isn’t physically able to be president.


38 posted on 10/04/2012 6:42:25 PM PDT by tiki
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To: ilgipper
Some people are gullible. At no time has Obama proven to be a good debater.

I don't think Obama has made very many decisions in the WH, nor does he have any idea what the correct procedure is to pass legislation through congress. Pretty hard to debate a subject like presidential decisions when you're unfamiliar with them.

39 posted on 10/04/2012 6:43:54 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

No this was Shaker Hts High


40 posted on 10/04/2012 6:47:19 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

:: Mitt will find out the hard way as soon as they have their first debate: You don’t debate Obama. ::

Yo! Sid!

Here’s where you failed...the common understanding of “debating” Obama means, you get called a racist.

Homey Mitt don’t play that.


41 posted on 10/04/2012 6:48:29 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Real reason for the Denver Obama Meltdown. One toke too many before the debate.


42 posted on 10/04/2012 6:48:56 PM PDT by garjog (We do not want another four more years of the last four years.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
I posted this on another thread:

It was easy for obammy in 2008 when he could speak extemporaneously on how he would save everything and GW was the devil. Now he has a 3.5 yr undefendable record to defend. Ain’t so easy.

43 posted on 10/04/2012 6:50:03 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: ilgipper

At no time has Obama proven to be a good debater.

No, he has been a Master Debater this week.....


44 posted on 10/04/2012 6:50:36 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Radagast the Fool
So, is this gonna be the excuse for Zero’s poor showing? He had the flu?

Doesn't matter, as long as they can spin it as Obama was just "off his game". The debate was about the economy, and Obama can't win that on his record. They've successfully made the news about how Obama blew the debate because he just had a bad night, not because he just flat couldn't defend what he's done for the last four years.

I think it's entirely possible that the debate about the economy was intentionally up first, so Obama would "flub" it, and be able to come back strong on debates about other subjects where his record is easier to obfucate. I don't believe for one minute this isn't being coordinated between the press and Obama's campaign.

45 posted on 10/04/2012 7:01:14 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Gee,a government paycheck recipient...and a black one at that...cheering for Osama Obama.Color me stunned.

(No pun intended)

46 posted on 10/04/2012 7:03:32 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

He’s a black guy. He knows the rules. If a black guy is running, you vote for him nothing else matters. He’s just playing dumb to make Romney look worse.


47 posted on 10/04/2012 7:06:48 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

***That was not the real Barack Obama in my opinion.” ***

Was he kidnapped and replaced with a FUTUREWORLD replica?


48 posted on 10/04/2012 7:07:48 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: MNJohnnie

He’s saying he went to high school with Mitt and law school with Obama.


49 posted on 10/04/2012 7:10:12 PM PDT by kenavi (Obama doesn't hate private equity. He wants to be it with our money.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike


50 posted on 10/04/2012 7:18:36 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Where's Yo Dollar?)
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